I don't see a problem with the hairstyle choices.
For me it'd be weird seeing women or men with longer than shoulder-length hair as people who enter combat frequently.
And I just generally find shoulder-length hair on women attractive, don't know why.
Long hair is desirable, but its absence is not what I'm criticizing here.
I'm criticizing that a majority of the options are appropriate for inmates of a high security prison or a 21st century commando unit rather than for fantasy heroes.
Long hair is desirable, but its absence is not what I'm criticizing here.
I'm criticizing that a majority of the options are appropriate for inmates of a high security prison or a 21st century commando unit rather than for fantasy heroes.
Oh, I see.
Well ,it's your right to think that.
I personally think they're good enough, but I guess there's always room for improvement or more choices. Hopefully for you, it'll be better in the next DA game.
This is a huge assumption.
BioWare operates on a level of quality where persistent character clipping is not acceptable as a default. If players mod in clipping hair, that's their prerogative.
It's good having those high quality standards, but looking the hairs options...., something is lacking.
Surely, the quality, is great due that there's no hair issues in game but the appearance is rather the opposite, and I'm not taking into account the choices available (few and not varied). IMO this time a compromise between quantity and 'quality' seems reasonable, because even removing from the equation the long hair ("we" don't want clipping issues, etc) where are the more 'sophisticated'/elaborated short hairs?, afros, twisted/curly, pigtails...
Check out Miley, OP!
Who?
Anyway, popularity - if this is what you're referring to - is unlikely to change my opinion.
I was just saying that ridiculous hairstyle is the Miley Cyrus / Justin Beiber cut...
I agree with you on every facet of this discussion...military cut for me. 
At least you agree it's ridiculous...
If this is Bioware trying to cater to popular modern tastes, I say stick your popular modern tastes somewhere where I can't see them. Among other things, I play fantasy games to get away from these things.
I think they were aiming for more fashionable cuts -- not all of them are so bad -- but fashionable does not always look good.
I'd just like to say again, there has been no confirmation that all the styles are for all sexes and races (besides Qunari). The male elf and the male human had several differences in options and we have not seen the human, elf or dwarf females options in full. I doubt the male pattern baldness options will be available for females and there could be other differences. So lets wait and see guys. 
I'd just like to say again, there has been no confirmation that all the styles are for all sexes and races (besides Qunari). The male elf and the male human had several differences in options and we have not seen the human, elf or dwarf females options in full. I doubt the male pattern baldness options will be available for females and there could be other differences. So lets wait and see guys.
I've seen statements like "all styles are for both sexes" and that the selection posted on page is all we've got. Where did that come from?
My Inquisitor is going either bald or buzzcut, so it's all good.
I'm selfish.
I've seen statements like "all styles are for both sexes" and that the selection posted on page is all we've got. Where did that come from?
A lot of the styles are unisex and we have seen male and female Inquisitors and characters with the same styles. The problem is people assuming they are all just the same for everyone, I am yet to see confirmation of this. I am not trying to get peoples hopes up by acting like the females will have a whole bunch of new options but there probably will be at least a few differences. So there might be a couple more hairstyles for females, is all i am saying.
Long hair is desirable, but its absence is not what I'm criticizing here.
I'm criticizing that a majority of the options are appropriate for inmates of a high security prison or a 21st century commando unit rather than for fantasy heroes.
I've read that this might have something to do with the Frostbite engine. It was built with a military combat game in mind, where almost all the characters would be expected to have "21st century commando" hair. Nearly all of the games that have utilized it so far it fall into that genre - Inquisition is the first RPG, and I also think the first one with an extensive character creator, let alone nonhuman characters like the qunari. So theoretically, Bioware has had the challenge of adapting an engine that wasn't built to do much with hair into doing anything with hair. The result is what you're criticizing. I doubt it's purely a stylistic decision, most limitations in games come down to time, money, and resources. Bioware's never been the best at hair styles to begin with, so combine that with an engine that's ostensibly trickier when it comes to hair than an engine that was built from the ground up with RPGs in mind, and voila.
I've read that this might have something to do with the Frostbite engine. It was built with a military combat game in mind, where almost all the characters would be expected to have "21st century commando" hair. Nearly all of the games that have utilized it so far it fall into that genre - Inquisition is the first RPG, and I also think the first one with an extensive character creator, let alone nonhuman characters like the qunari. So theoretically, Bioware has had the challenge of adapting an engine that wasn't built to do much with hair into doing anything with hair. The result is what you're criticizing. I doubt it's purely a stylistic decision, most limitations in games come down to time, money, and resources. Bioware's never been the best at hair styles to begin with, so combine that with an engine that's ostensibly trickier when it comes to hair than an engine that was built from the ground up with RPGs in mind, and voila.
Not only that, but the engine wasn't even supposed to handle 4 legged animals (horses, dragons, etc) they litterally had to change the whole engine to work for an RPG and its components. I'm assuming the hair limitation is part of that engine problem. Mike's mentioned that they are looking into providing more hair options in the future, probably when they release the Black Emporium type thing that DA2 had to change your character when ever you felt like it in the game.
I'll put up with a bad haircut, as long as I have my 1 million options in the CC (which we now have). The texture look awful, but it's not a game breaker. I hate clipping personally and the hair mods in DAO and DA2 drove me absolutely crazy. Who has hair like that in battle / field? Perfect manicured eyebrows while weeks in the dirt and mud?
I like the realism of "No one has time to bathe, shave and pluck eyebrows in the field, it's war!" and Mike's mentioned that the clipping issue with long hair was a deterrent to those types of haircuts, but they were looking into it, if you watched any of the early twitch streams.
Personally, hair is the last thing I'm concerned with.
I say having an acceptable selection of hairstyles is also a quality issue in a game like this.
The hairstyles are of good quality though. The lack of some types of hairstyles does not make the hairstyle selection of "low quality" itself. If most are unappealing to you, that's your opinion which is fine.
There's a difference. Clipping is a big no-no. Lack of long glorious hair is unfortunate but still an acceptable design choice.
They can always fix it later. Priorities.
Personally, hair is the last thing I'm concerned with.
Can't say that I am, considering that we have options for coloring different parts of the iris on a 16M-color wheel.
The hairstyles are of good quality though. The lack of some types of hairstyles does not make the hairstyle selection of "low quality" itself. If most are unappealing to you, that's your opinion which is fine.
There's a difference. Clipping is a big no-no. Lack of long glorious hair is unfortunate but still an acceptable design choice.
They can always fix it later. Priorities.
It appears I've been wrong and most people care a great a deal about minor clipping. Ok.
As for fixing things later, they can do that, the question is will they charge for that. I'm fine with paying for hairstyles I really like, but only if the starting point is reasonably acceptable and I don't feel as if I'm paying for a patch.
Well - I got the bald option, so I'm happy.
So if I'm going to pick a cosmetic to care about - Bioware, please tell me the albino pigmentation you have for your NPCs is available to the PC.
Long hair is desirable, but its absence is not what I'm criticizing here.
I'm criticizing that a majority of the options are appropriate for inmates of a high security prison or a 21st century commando unit rather than for final fantasy heroes.
FTFY!
But really: We're warriors. We're fighting against demons, bandits, and other beasts. We're not going to be able to let "Final Fantasy" hair flow all around us while we dash around... Would not make sense. If you want that... Hope they release mods.
This may come as a shock but most people who prepare for combat either keep their hair short or bind it up so it doesn't get in the way. An option to let hair down for female characters (or male characters?) while they're in a city or Skyhold would be nice, but it isn't necessary in my opinion. Again, hope for mods.
Then again, I've always liked the look of short hair so maybe I'm not seeing it as you are.
It appears I've been wrong and most people care a great a deal about minor clipping. Ok.
As for fixing things later, they can do that, the question is will they charge for that. I'm fine with paying for hairstyles I really like, but only if the starting point is reasonably acceptable and I don't feel as if I'm paying for a patch.
It's not minor when your hair pokes through the helmet or through your shoulders. They have to approach it carefully, with more time than they could allocate.
I don't claim to have statistics. The logical approach is to not force people who pay for quality to have to see persistent clipping on their characters.
Also it's not so much about only what consumers want. The designers at BioWare have made it clear that they dislike clipping, and it's their game to make.
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Patches usually fix content that is already available in the game with the occasional addition (or removal) that would make sense in the context of the patch.
So patches are free.
DLC, such as adding hairstyles (and a character re-creator) is purely additional content that did not exist in the base game. Time and money is spent to make these new additions. If they choose to charge the player base for it, then it's completely logical to do so. If they don't, I assure you it's for a reason (PR is one).
Why the F******* do people assume that criticizing one extreme means you want the other extreme? I have repeatedly (!!!!!!!!!!!!) said I can live with the absence of very long hair and that I'm criticizing the abundance of commando-style haircuts which I find inappropriate for the setting. Surely a few braided hairstyles like in the earlier games aren't too much to ask for.FTFY!
But really: We're warriors. We're fighting against demons, bandits, and other beasts. We're not going to be able to let "Final Fantasy" hair flow all around us while we dash around... Would not make sense. If you want that... Hope they release mods.
This may come as a shock but most people who prepare for combat either keep their hair short or bind it up so it doesn't get in the way. An option to let hair down for female characters (or male characters?) while they're in a city or Skyhold would be nice, but it isn't necessary in my opinion. Again, hope for mods.
Then again, I've always liked the look of short hair so maybe I'm not seeing it as you are.
Not only that, but the engine wasn't even supposed to handle 4 legged animals (horses, dragons, etc) they litterally had to change the whole engine to work for an RPG and its components. I'm assuming the hair limitation is part of that engine problem. Mike's mentioned that they are looking into providing more hair options in the future, probably when they release the Black Emporium type thing that DA2 had to change your character when ever you felt like it in the game.
I'll put up with a bad haircut, as long as I have my 1 million options in the CC (which we now have). The texture look awful, but it's not a game breaker. I hate clipping personally and the hair mods in DAO and DA2 drove me absolutely crazy. Who has hair like that in battle / field? Perfect manicured eyebrows while weeks in the dirt and mud?
I like the realism of "No one has time to bathe, shave and pluck eyebrows in the field, it's war!" and Mike's mentioned that the clipping issue with long hair was a deterrent to those types of haircuts, but they were looking into it, if you watched any of the early twitch streams.
Personally, hair is the last thing I'm concerned with.
Non-sense there's a river right there.*kicks into river*
It's not minor when your hair pokes through the helmet or through your shoulders. They have to approach it carefully, with more time than they could allocate.
I don't claim to have statistics. The logical approach is to not force people who pay for quality to have to see persistent clipping on their characters.
Also it's not so much about only what consumers want. The designers at BioWare have made it clear that they dislike clipping, and it's their game to make.
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Patches usually fix content that is already available in the game with the occasional addition (or removal) that would make sense in the context of the patch.
So patches are free.
DLC, such as adding hairstyles (and a character re-creator) is purely additional content that did not exist in the base game. Time and money is spent to make these new additions. If they choose to charge the player base for it, then it's completely logical to do so. If they don't, I assure you it's for a reason (PR is one).
I would think a texture fix would be treated more as a patch, added right into your game. Additional content (like a Black Emporium thing with 20 new hairstyles) would probably be paid DLC.
And I'd be the first to sign up and pay for it.
FTFY!
But really: We're warriors. We're fighting against demons, bandits, and other beasts. We're not going to be able to let "Final Fantasy" hair flow all around us while we dash around... Would not make sense. If you want that... Hope they release mods.
This may come as a shock but most people who prepare for combat either keep their hair short or bind it up so it doesn't get in the way. An option to let hair down for female characters (or male characters?) while they're in a city or Skyhold would be nice, but it isn't necessary in my opinion. Again, hope for mods.
Then again, I've always liked the look of short hair so maybe I'm not seeing it as you are.
The shocking thing is this is a fantasy game, so what may or may not make sense or be realistic should immediately be thrown out the window. I don't think anyone is expecting flowing Rapunzel hair, but perhaps hair that doesn't look quite so hideous or unfortunate would be a step up. I would personally like to see a few well designed hairstyles than an overwhelming amount of subpar buzzcuts. Quality > Quantity.
Just so. What do I do with 30 variations if half of them may be reduced to two without anyone really noticing.The shocking thing is this is a fantasy game, so what may or may not make sense or be realistic should immediately be thrown out the window. I don't think anyone is expecting flowing Rapunzel hair, but perhaps hair that doesn't look quite so hideous or unfortunate would be a step up. I would personally like to see a few well designed hairstyles than an overwhelming amount of subpar buzzcuts. Quality > Quantity.
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