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[Hair Serious Business]

Like everyone in DA universe always like to say when they see something dumb:

"Orleans"

[Das Tentakel]

FTFY!

But really: We're warriors. We're fighting against demons, bandits, and other beasts. We're not going to be able to let "Final Fantasy" hair flow all around us while we dash around... Would not make sense. If you want that... Hope they release mods.

This may come as a shock but most people who prepare for combat either keep their hair short or bind it up so it doesn't get in the way. An option to let hair down for female characters (or male characters?) while they're in a city or Skyhold would be nice, but it isn't necessary in my opinion. Again, hope for mods.

Then again, I've always liked the look of short hair so maybe I'm not seeing it as you are.

 
Sorry, but that mostly applies to modern military culture. Unless the hair is exceptionally long and unwieldy, warrior hairstyles were historically very much subject to fashion - there's quite a lot of room for hair under a helmet, and even if it sticks out underneath the lower rim, it's still kept in place by the helmet itself. The practicality of long hair depends on specific circumstances. If you're a Napoleonic hussar, it might make sense to braid your long hair. If you're wearing a chainmail coif, it might be sensible to stick your hair somehow inside the helmet, or make a straight ponytail - getting all that hair intertwined with the coif's rings can be painful when you're removing that piece of armour... .
 

 
' Your hair is sticking out from under your helmet dude'
' Yeah, buzzcuts are for barbarian wussies!' 

 

 

 'Buzzcuts? Buzzcuts? My dear fellow, they'll never catch on. Well...perhaps in the Americas and other uncivilized places...'
 
The thing is, hairstyles are a very important part of avatar customization, which itself is rather crucial for making the character 'your own' and immersing yourself in the world. There may be good technical reasons for limiting your choice in this respect, but overall it's 'not a good thing' and personally I don't think it's something you can defend - merely regret it and lament the fact that it's necessary given finite resources and technical constraints.
 
Having said that I will still say: Work on it, BioWare (and you can easily fill in the name of any other studio in whose games this is an issue).

[fizzypop]

I understand we can't get realistic moving hair, and I absolutely get that they thought implementing TressFX or something similar for a variety of hairstyles wasn't worth what they'd have to sacrifice somewhere else, but even with the way things are - i.e. with non-moving hair - I wish they'd sacrifice on the other end for a change. I'm sure most players would find some minor clipping here and there acceptable if it meant they could have hairstyles they like. 

 

And all that's still no excuse for the abundance of outright ugly styles. Really, I'd be hard-pressed to find a game featuring so many styles I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole. OK, that's a matter of taste, but more than half of all hairstyles featuring the equivalent of three-day stubble, that's just not acceptable from my POV. Who are we playing? Inmates of a high security prison? Exclusively male 21st century soldiers? IMO the selection is plainly inappropriate.

Ugh exactly this! Bioware has terrible taste when it comes to hairstyles. I don't get why they just don't do what EA does for the Sims, steal them from fan creators. I mean it isn't really that difficult to get decent hair. I know fan made mods can sure as heck do it. So that's just another excuse imo. I don't give a rip about clipping. I mean **** everything clips anyways. I don't care just give me hair that I want to USE! Once again though we'll have to hope and pray for mods...

ETA: Anyone who thinks clipping is a "no no" LOLOLOLOLOL. Every game has some minor clipping SOMEWHERE it is like bugs it is nearly impossible to get rid of completely. Most people don't notice minor clipping and if they do, not enough to ruin a game.

As for the Frostbite engine nonsense just because one game using that engine didn't have something doesn't stop developers from adapting it for their own use. It doesn't make something like long hair impossible. If they are having a difficult time working with an engine then they chose the wrong engine. They shouldn't have done that. That's their issue and they need to fix it. But they can't give me a b.s excuse because I know it is.

[fizzypop]

I don't see a problem with the hairstyle choices. 

 

For me it'd be weird seeing women or men with longer than shoulder-length hair as people who enter combat frequently.

 

And I just generally find shoulder-length hair on women attractive, don't know why.

 Yeah no. Many warriors in anicent greece and rome had long hair. Long hair does not mean you cannot battle. There is a reason that dreads were very popular.

[Chanda]

I just hope there's a cute updo with bangs that I can use. And not like Jowan's girlfriend, those bangs were horrible.

[Lebanese Dude]

Ugh exactly this! Bioware has terrible taste when it comes to hairstyles. I don't get why they just don't do what EA does for the Sims, steal them from fan creators. I mean it isn't really that difficult to get decent hair. I know fan made mods can sure as heck do it. So that's just another excuse imo. I don't give a rip about clipping. I mean **** everything clips anyways. I don't care just give me hair that I want to USE! Once again though we'll have to hope and pray for mods...

 

You're so right. it's not like they had to design a hundred other things like unique and different levels/zones, an intricate crafting system, a million or so animations in dialogue, fitting multiple races in, and all those other utterly unimportant things. I NEED MY GLORIOUS HAIR!

 

I mean seriously they have so much time on their hands. They had an extra year to do all of that! They shouldn't sleep until we have twenty different braided hairstyles. Their priorities in life are messed up tbh.

Seriously BioWare stop actively sabotaging your game. Stop trying to be an RPG and become a character simulator like Sims. 

[Das Tentakel]

 Yeah no. Many warriors in anicent greece and rome had long hair. Long hair does not mean you cannot battle. There is a reason that dreads were very popular.

 

In all fairness, really, really long hair - well below the shoulders - is just a lot of work to keep tidy. The longest 'free' hair I've seen is in depictions of Scythian warriors etc, where it covers the upper back. Modern-era Sikhs, of course, have very long hair but they tuck it up underneath their turbans. 

 

For some hairstyles and types of headcover - turbans, helmets, whatever - you would actually have to change the ' style'  depending on whether the character is wearing it or not. Moreover, I can assure you that 'free' long hair will not get out of a helmet without being messy (sweat etc.). 

Unless you're Thulsa Doom or one of his henchmen, of course.

 

 

'Tremble, you infidels, for I have solved the Riddle of Hair...' 

[SurelyForth]

"Just steal them from fan creators"

 

Yeah, all those fan creators who are making content for Frostbite 3! And there's no way that would bite BW in the ass when they desperately want DAI to be an unmitigated critical and fiscal success. 

 

Man, I don't even like the hairs that are available at all, and I agree that the textures are wonky as ****, but come on. There is so much willful ignorance in this thread when it comes to the realities of making a video game. 

[Grayvisions]

I don't mind the hairstyles, I kind of like them actually. I don't like their application in the game engine, though. The natural hairline doesn't begin the way they've textured/modeled the hair and heads, there's always a bit of fine hair leading into the full mane. That's missing, and it makes the hair look especially artificial. It bugs me, because so much of everything else is so pretty, but that hair destroys the immersion for me. I hope they take inspiration from games like Aion, TERA, etc., in the future when doing hair. There's a lot that can be done to hide the hair seams and their connection to the head mesh, that's not currently being taken advantage of.

[slimgrin]

I like how a fanbase screaming and ranting about customization, is ok with a dearth of customization. 

[Astrolabe]

I like how a fanbase screaming and ranting about customization, is ok with a dearth of customization. 

 

It's not really ironic because customization is not just customization. Aesthetic customization is different from gameplay customization...People place different values on different types of customizations. For example, some people who are okay with lesser hairstyles might be more upset if the crafting system is subpar or there are less talent trees or abilities. Inversely, the people who want more hair options are more concerned with immersion or roleplaying or just plain aesthetics and they might or might not care about depth of gameplay customization options.

It's silly to lump everybody in the same camp or all "customization" as one single thing. 

[realguile]

I just hope there's a cute updo with bangs that I can use. And not like Jowan's girlfriend, those bangs were horrible.

I want a hair selection like your avatar has dammit!

[TheLastArchivist]

Almost had brain hemorragia checking the new hairstyles. 

[sunnydxmen]

[Ieldra]

I wonder if you realize how hilariously ironic your post is, sunnydxmen...

[wolfhowwl]

 

Say what you will about 4chan but at least they made posting MLP outside of a designated containment zone a bannable offense.

[Razyx]

You're so right. it's not like they had to design a hundred other things like unique and different levels/zones, an intricate crafting system, a million or so animations in dialogue, fitting multiple races in, and all those other utterly unimportant things. I NEED MY GLORIOUS HAIR!
 
I mean seriously they have so much time on their hands. They had an extra year to do all of that! They shouldn't sleep until we have twenty different braided hairstyles. Their priorities in life are messed up tbh.

Seriously BioWare stop actively sabotaging your game. Stop trying to be an RPG and become a character simulator like Sims.

I a bit overreaction?!..., like the "hate" message.
BTW if you look some threads here and there, there's no doubt that DA could surpass the SIMS; hairs, attributes, abilities, nurses (sorry, healing), love affairs, armors, ghosts, puppies, babies, dragons, casual dresses, waltz (or balls), the skyhold...

[Jagrevi]

I would prefer something different than what we have, but I find this selection of hairstyles passable - I don't forsee a major problem in making my inquisitor.

And, in case my forums avatar was not a large enough clue, I am an expert in both fashion and hairstyles. Expert.

[Lord Bolton]

Say what you will about 4chan but at least they made posting MLP outside of a designated containment zone a bannable offense.

Say what you want, he will post stuff like this here anyway. This is the only one thing he's doing on this forum (DA section at least).

 

Back to the topic- I need only one thing- normal short male hair, something close to Cassandra's hair, but without braid. Not this awful "marine" thing that we have seen on almost every character, even Celene (jesus, she reminds me of Miley Cyrus because of that!). Speaking briefly- more neutral hair options. I hope this hairstyle is in the CC, but I haven't seen that yet. 

[robertmarilyn]

I'd be happy with M/Hawke and F/Hawke hair for all my characters, if those choices were provided. I'm not into looking like I've been wearing my helmet for 3 weeks, before taking it off, like some of the hair choices.  I've never been one to choose buzz cuts before either. I'm hoping the hair choices seem better when we get into the CC...and start working on the entire character. 

[KBomb]

Ugh exactly this! Bioware has terrible taste when it comes to hairstyles. I don't get why they just don't do what EA does for the Sims, steal them from fan creators. I mean it isn't really that difficult to get decent hair. I know fan made mods can sure as heck do it. So that's just another excuse imo. I don't give a rip about clipping. I mean **** everything clips anyways. I don't care just give me hair that I want to USE! Once again though we'll have to hope and pray for mods...

ETA: Anyone who thinks clipping is a "no no" LOLOLOLOLOL. Every game has some minor clipping SOMEWHERE it is like bugs it is nearly impossible to get rid of completely. Most people don't notice minor clipping and if they do, not enough to ruin a game.

As for the Frostbite engine nonsense just because one game using that engine didn't have something doesn't stop developers from adapting it for their own use. It doesn't make something like long hair impossible. If they are having a difficult time working with an engine then they chose the wrong engine. They shouldn't have done that. That's their issue and they need to fix it. But they can't give me a b.s excuse because I know it is.

This post reads a bit like a spoiled temper tantrum, tbh.

Whether people find the choice of hairstyles attractive or not is completely subjective. You hate them, but others don't. You can't logically hold Bioware responsible for not meeting your taste or demands. If Bioware poured all their time and resources into every little thing fans asked for, we'd never get to play the game.

They have given us a lot of options we never had before and I understand you're disappointed in the hair department, but acting as if Bioware did something wrong because you don't get the hairstyles you want seems a bit on the childish.

As for the clipping, there is a difference in having it because it is bugged out, and having it because they deliberately and willingly let bugs slide so that a group of fans can have a few more choices in the hair department.

Options are always good, but Bioware has the right to choose what to add and omit, due to any reason they deem beneficial. They certainly don't owe you everything you want.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Jeez. People will never stop defending the lack of long hair. I don't get it.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

Jeez. People will never stop defending the lack of long hair. I don't get it.

The arguments fall upon technical issues, though. I don't know if you've been following this thread, but we've pretty much established that long hair is difficult to make and problematic when in-game. We all want long hair. We just realize all the problems that come with it and see it being totally justifiable.

[Ser Jynx]

This post reads a bit like a spoiled temper tantrum, tbh.

Whether people find the choice of hairstyles attractive or not is completely subjective. You hate them, but others don't. You can't logically hold Bioware responsible for not meeting your taste or demands. If Bioware poured all their time and resources into every little thing fans asked for, we'd never get to play the game.

They have given us a lot of options we never had before and I understand you're disappointed in the hair department, but acting as if Bioware did something wrong because you don't get the hairstyles you want seems a bit on the childish.

As for the clipping, there is a difference in having it because it is bugged out, and having it because they deliberately and willingly let bugs slide so that a group of fans can have a few more choices in the hair department.

Options are always good, but Bioware has the right to choose what to add and omit, due to any reason they deem beneficial. They certainly don't owe you everything you want.

Paying customers are entitled to give feedback. It's up to the developers whether or not the want to listen to any of it. Granted the we as the customers could be a bit more calm and constructive but they should still understand that they are simply disappointed and that their words should not fall on deaf ears. 

 

Clipping isn't a valid excuse for the hair. There is always clipping, I saw plenty in the PAX AUS stream. 

 

It is in high demand and would improve many players' experiences, they realize this and just might do something about it. Ya know cuz they're nice.

[KBomb]

Jeez. People will never stop defending the lack of long hair. I don't get it.

If that is directed at me, I am not defending anything. I just think offering long hair isn't mandatory. I would be nice to include some, but again, it isn't a mandatory requirement and stomping your proverbial feet and acting as though Bioware purposely stripped you of something you want isn't going to make the devs take you seriously in your request. That sort of behavior is most likely going to cause them to skip right over your post.

Really, there is nothing to defend. They didn't do anything wrong.

Paying customers are entitled to give feedback. It's up to the developers whether or not the want to listen to any of it. Granted the we as the customers could be a bit more calm and constructive but they should still understand that they are simply disappointed and that their words should not fall on deaf ears.

Clipping isn't a valid excuse for the hair. There is always clipping, I saw plenty in the PAX AUS stream.

It is in high demand and would improve many players' experiences, they realize this and just might do something about it. Ya know cuz they're nice.

What are you talking about? Never once did I say paying customers shouldn't give feedback or suggestions. Of course they should and Bioware most likely welcomes it.

Being a paying customer doesn't entitle you to berate, demand of, or belittle a company because you didn't get something you want. Being disappointed isn't an excuse to be petulant and caustic and it shouldn't be justified.

Once again, I am not against feedback and suggestions, as they are crucial for improvements. A lot of people want more skills and control over attribute points, to romance Varric, to have more in wardrobe, for warriors to duel-wield, I could go on and on. These things would improve their experience too, so why demand that Bioware use any extra resource to give you what you want, instead of them? They can't give everyone every.single.thing.

We got extra races, two extra romances and probably a few other things, so I don't think they left out some hair just to frustrate some fans.

*Disclaimer: *You is being used in a general term.