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[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I bet they'd make a game based on colonial times and wouldn't include the Jefferson-style ponytail. But let me stop...

[AmazingPaladin]

Can't say I was surprised when the character creation videos started coming out. Bioware has never been good at making hair styles.

[Ieldra]

You know things are dire when people are willing to use Bioware Hats ™ over showing their characters head/hair!

LOL, so true. We had an example of a really great hat in the concept art, and they've apparently put in it the game. At this point, I'm almost expecting them to screw that one up in the in-game version.

 

Heh....it's all a conspiracy of Bioware's artists. They made the hair ugly so that we won't hide the headgear they've made.

 

[Chuvvy]

Bioware has never been very good at animating hair, it's par for the course at this point. I'd say it's mainly just their usual inability coupled with a new engine and poor lighting.

 

Remember ME2's hair? Looked like it was plastic and just snapped onto the heads.

[Ieldra]

Still, I do kinda feel bad for all the devs who weren't responsible for the... sillier looking hairs that no one will ever use. They put all the work into making this a great game and whoever designed number 3 here:

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And this:

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was either drunk or taking the p*ss.

I knew I saved this old picture for a purpose. Gods, that's ugly. The second one I mean. It could make even Ugly Shepard uglier, and that's saying something.

[Eterna]

After the numerous Bioware games having terrible hairstyles you guys actually thought this would be different? 

 

Seems like a case of fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. 

[Ieldra]

I've said it few times before, but quality of hair is really, really not something that can be blamed on the engine without invoking that saying about workmen.

Case in point: a character made in UE3, i.e. one of these engines that are supposedly so poor at this task. Scroll to 0:25 or so to see close ups with the helmet off.

The kicker: that was still work in progress. The finished model looks like this Unfortunately the beard was somewhat trimmed with this one, but I'm including it mainly for the final version of the hair.

That looks really good.

 

I guess it could cause performance problems on lower-end machines, but that's what the what the graphics settings are for. Too short for my personal taste, but it does look very good.

[Ieldra]

After the numerous Bioware games having terrible hairstyles you guys actually thought this would be different? 

 

Seems like a case of fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. 

They had a new engine, and the world looks so fantastic that I found it plausible that would extend to people's hair. I certainly didn't expect the technical quality to remain on the level of the ME trilogy.

[Eterna]

They had a new engine, and the world looks so fantastic that I found it plausible that would extend to people's hair. I certainly didn't expect the technical quality to remain on the level of the ME trilogy.

 

De be honest while I wanted better hair I knew it would be like this.

 

I just saw the male hairstyles.... I can only see one I could potentially live with. For gods sake, Destiny has better options. 

[Fredward]

On the plus side if you ever really wanted to roleplay Skrillex saving the world that dream is finally possible.

[Ieldra]

I don't understand this obsession DAI seems to have with the sides of the head being totally shaved down to basically hair stubble. A lot of styles would look OK if they didn't have that weird choice.

Indeed. It looks like someone in Bioware's art department is infatuated with some unreachable figure with such an hairstyle and takes their frustration out on the players. As if someone back in the 1980s made a fantasy game featuring mostly punk hairstyles. Not cool, Bioware. Not cool.

 

And it's worse because these styles are so ugly that they stick in your mind and you can't just forget they exist even while you're not playing.

[CoffeeElemental]

After the numerous Bioware games having terrible hairstyles you guys actually thought this would be different? 

 

Seems like a case of fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. 

I think if you are developer, that specializes in crafting story and character interaction heavy RPGs with customizable protagonists and neglect character design and creation you don't have your priorities straight. 

In general, I believe Bioware do not 100% get why fans like their games and thus continue to make slight misteps and strange design decisions. 

[TheChris92]

I'm not feeling the Bowie hair, Lisbeth Salander skrillex or any of the mushroom-shaped-hipster-cuts. I'm gonna go with the pixie cut for my elf

[Carol L S]

I'm thinking the darker colors look a bit better than the light blonde ones.  Still, it's the textures that bug me.  Not the styles so much.

[Itkovian]

I think if you are developer, that specializes in crafting story and character interaction heavy RPGs with customizable protagonists and neglect character design and creation you don't have your priorities straight. 

In general, I believe Bioware do not 100% get why fans like their games and thus continue to make slight misteps and strange design decisions. 

 

I think the issue here is more a technical one than "let's not bother to make nice hair". I'm sure they tried to make hair as nice as possible, but ran into obstacles that made it necessary for them to stick with what we have now.  For one thing, I seriously doubt any artist would be satisfied with a lot of these hairstyles. Clearly someone had to make a decision to give up on fixing hair and focus on other things.

 

That said, I think that "do not 100% get why their fans like their games" comment is false, especially on this issue. Bioware would have to be demented to even begin to think "lush and lifelike" hairstyles is one of the reasons for their popularity.

 

Likewise, the idea that character design and creation is neglected is ridiculous. Have you see the degree of control we have in the character creation? It's remarkable, and extremely detailed. Just because the hairstyles are bad does NOT entail they neglected character creation. Indeed, I think the depth of the CC is ample evidence that the hairstyles are the result of limitations they encountered rather than neglect.

[Nefla]

Indeed. It looks like someone in Bioware's art department is infatuated with some unreachable figure with such an hairstyle and takes their frustration out on the players. As if someone back in the 1980s made a fantasy game featuring mostly punk hairstyles. Not cool, Bioware. Not cool.
 
And it's worse because these styles are so ugly that they stick in your mind and you can't just forget they exist even while you're not playing.

 
And you can bet all of them will be displayed on various NPCs...

 

I think the issue here is more a technical one than "let's not bother to make nice hair". I'm sure they tried to make hair as nice as possible, but ran into obstacles that made it necessary for them to stick with what we have now.  For one thing, I seriously doubt any artist would be satisfied with a lot of these hairstyles. Clearly someone had to make a decision to give up on fixing hair and focus on other things.
 
That said, I think that "do not 100% get why their fans like their games" comment is false, especially on this issue. Bioware would have to be demented to even begin to think "lush and lifelike" hairstyles is one of the reasons for their popularity.
 
Likewise, the idea that character design and creation is neglected is ridiculous. Have you see the degree of control we have in the character creation? It's remarkable, and extremely detailed. Just because the hairstyles are bad does NOT entail they neglected character creation. Indeed, I think the depth of the CC is ample evidence that the hairstyles are the result of limitations they encountered rather than neglect.

I don't think the decision to add mullets, Miley Cyruses, random shaved temples, several instances of male pattern baldness on women, etc...was a technical one.

[Lebanese Dude]

 

 

 

I wanted this hair

 

Guess it's only for Alistair. Some of the haircuts looked great but I love that particular style.

 

I'm gonna go with the one from the Choices and Consequences trailer. I loved that one.

Hopefully they'll expand the CC options in a DLC or patch sometime in the future.

[nikitalauncher]

 I don't think the decision to add mullets, Miley Cyruses, random shaved temples, several instances of male pattern baldness on women, etc...was a technical one.

 Perhaps it was a narrative one. The Inquisitor lost a game of Wicked Grace against Varric . . . and this was the price.

[Ibn_Shisha]

It's obvious why the head hair styles have been gimped.  The entire DA hair budget is dedicated to Varric's chest hair.

[Lebanese Dude]

  

To be honest, I was never going to use a beard on any of my characters anyway, but that's just laughably bad. And I like how David Gaidernis like "you guys can't have long hair because of clipping!" And yet their own bloody beards clip on the collar of the clothes. Pathetic.
 

 

What kind of half-assed reasoning?  Clipping will always happen in a video game. You pick one frame and go on a tilt?

 

Beards are neither consistently and persistently prone to clipping as they can only clip when your neck is scrunched downwards or tilted at an odd angle, which happen very rarely. The picture you ranted about is barely even clipping.

 

I'm fairly certain you don't spend the entire game with your head scrunched towards your neck, while long hair that persistently and consistently clips through armor is always going to look horrible to the designers.

 

Bah

[Lebanese Dude]

I've said it few times before, but quality of hair is really, really not something that can be blamed on the engine without invoking that saying about workmen.

Case in point: a character made in UE3, i.e. one of these engines that are supposedly so poor at this task. Scroll to 0:25 or so to see close ups with the helmet off.

The kicker: that was still work in progress. The finished model looks like this Unfortunately the beard was somewhat trimmed with this one, but I'm including it mainly for the final version of the hair.

 

Hot damn!

 

 

Send this to BioWare I want this cut

[Ibn_Shisha]

De be honest while I wanted better hair I knew it would be like this.

 

I just saw the male hairstyles.... I can only see one I could potentially live with. For gods sake, Destiny has better options. 

Lol.

 

Actually my male awoken warlock looks like a BOSS.  I have more trouble with the women, especially as I'm not a fan of the crazy updo.

 

Destiny's been the exception to the rule for me, though.  Usually I end up making female characters I find distractingly gorgeous, while my dudes all end up looking like dorks.  I can't even take credit for the killer Tom Selleck Shepard P.I. in my profile pic - that was the result of the ME2 to 3 'transfer' actually having a positive result.

[Urazz]

Yeah, Bioware really needs to get rid of their hair designers for character designs and hire some new people that know what they are doing.  Not to mention quite a few of those hair styles are atrocious.

[Mihura]

After watching the DA FAN CC video, I think the hair is not so bad. Sure more diversity would be nice but compare to DA:O, the CC is excellent. 

[lil yonce]

Bleh. There are only two options I even kind of like for my human female mage. The longish one Mike Laidlaw's inquisitor had and the longish one w/ shaved temples. The first one is decent but kind of plain, and the second reminds me of the Cassie/Rihanna teen popstar hairstyle that was trendy a few years ago. Certainly not ideal but I suppose I'll have to make it work. At least w/ darker hair the shaved sides are less noticeable.

 

I'm satisfied w/ the male hairstyles. Most are ass ugly but I do like a handful of them. And I like the male qunari horns/hairstyle selection, I like those too. I don't think I'll play a female qunari because her choices are lacking in that aspect.

 

I'm excited about male dwarfs after seeing Cameron's in the stream - the same one in the CC vids too, I think. He looked great.

 

I haven't seen an elf of either gender that I especially like or female dwarf and that's kind of disappointing.

 

I always have an easier time w/ male characters in the CC than I do female - that's always how it shakes out for me - and I don't think DAI will be any different sadly. I'm determined to make my first inquisitor a human female, but after that, I may make only dudequisitors.