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[SerCambria358]

I don't see the problem with firearms in Dragon Age. With magic and enchanting the power balance of firearms can be equalized. It'd show that the people of Thedas are actually capable of advancing technology (seriously, at the lowest end we're looking at thousand years of technological stasis here) and bring something new to the table that isn't magic.

 

Maybe make them dwarf restricted. Gives dwarf players something awesome that other players crave for their own races.

Introducing guns to that level would imply make armor obsolete and wold ruin the balance that DA has going, unless you're suggesting they stay in a technological stasis as soon as personal firearms are introduced which would go against your criticism (although just because they still use swords doesnt mean they've been in a technological stasis)

[Sylentmana]

Guns in Dragon Age?! What heresy is this?!

 

Well I suppose in a future game they could move ahead a few ages to where Thedas is in its "Victorian" era.  Guns would make sense in that context, but it would ruin the high fantasy setting and put into something more steampunk with magic.

[xkg]

^ But guns are already here, maybe not in the game, but in the DA setting.
 
"...The greatest advantage of the Chantry-led forces was the Circle of Magi. For all their technology, the Qunari appeared to harbor great hatred for magic. Faced with cannons, the Chantry responded with lightning and balls of fire..."
 

"...Qunari warriors in glittering steel armor carved through armies with ease. Their cannons, the likes of which our ancestors had never seen, reduced city walls to rubble in a matter of seconds..."

[Mirrman70]

It took about a century in europe to get from gunpowder to the first actual guns and china had gunpowder for centuries without actually developing guns.

 

depends on what you consider a firearm... They had rocket-propelled spears and arrows...

[JerZey CJ]

Admittedly, this is something I would consider more a rumor than a guarantee, so I wouldn't take it as gospel. From what I understood, there were 5 games total to comprise the franchise, but it could just end up being one more beyond Inquisition.

Where have you even gotten that from though? The Devs have never said "Oh yeah, DA is only gonna go on for five games." In fact, they've gone out of their way to say that it is going to go on for a while more, mentioning possibilities for the next DA game after DAI and even the game after that. There has been no indication that Dragon Age will be stopping soon.

[natalscar]

Oh for the love of the Maker, no! When they did that in Fable I was like....yuck. No thank you.

[Keroko]

Introducing guns to that level would imply make armor obsolete and wold ruin the balance that DA has going, unless you're suggesting they stay in a technological stasis as soon as personal firearms are introduced which would go against your criticism (although just because they still use swords doesnt mean they've been in a technological stasis)

 

Enchanting is a thing, so armour doesn't need to go obsolete. Heck, it can join the magi-technological advancement.

 

Really, the presence of magic means we can bend a ton of rules when it comes to the imbalance of firearms.

 

And so far, there's nothing hinting at any form of technological progression outside of the dwarves (I absolutely loved that part in the dwarf noble origin where they find that ancient shield and go "wow... they made crappy shields back then") and qunari, who do have gunpowder (insult to injury being that even a culturally restrictive society made more technological progress than the entirety of humanity).

[VikingDream]

Flint lock rifles and pistols hell your going all risen 2 dark waters next you'll ask for a voodoo pirate class lol

[themikefest]

No.

 

I like having a bow, staff, sword and shield, dual daggers and two-handed weapons when fighting the enemy.

[frylock23]

Now you, too, can experience the joy and thrill of hauling your very own 68-pounder all over Thedas!

[BloodyTalon]

About guns making armor not that well used, that was mainly later firearms and some armies still used breastplates for sometime. The thing is crossbow bolts is what really starting making armor less and less used, and more focus on a nimble force to get to  crossbowmen before they reloaded, early guns just came around the same time crossbows where truly in their prime.

Guns sometimes get more credit, cannons not so much hand guns had more impact on armor then personal firearms imho cause war become more about how well you can move a force and how fast. A cannball could reduce a block of troops to nothing but a mess of gore.

Early personal firearms where not fhlly realiable and could jam or blow up on you.

Picture holding a early gun and the fuse does trigger the ammo and it doesn't leave the gun, that happen a lot at times needless to not fun.

[Navasha]

I think its also important to note, that early renaissance weapons had an effective range of about 30 feet where you could maintain the accuracy of being able to hit something.    For 400 years after guns were "invented" here on Earth, the only way they were ever effective is to line up 50 men with guns in a straight line and fire.   

 

A single gunman trying to hit a single moving target beyond throwing range was basically impossible.   

[VikingDream]

Now if you want to give me a boomstick from evil dead  i'm all in but only in a zombie DLC lol

[Kharn-ivor]

Oh God no, guns really don't need to exist, I dont mind the really basic cannons that blew up in your face as much as they shot at the ennemy but anything more is pointless.

What does it add to the game ? There are allready 2 ranged options, why add another ?

Plus we know how arrows and guns work, and guns nullify armor so you'd basicly end up having to say " magic" to explain everything.

Youd basicly have to change the entire setting from mediveal to Renaissance, thats not longer dragon age.

[herkles]

Here is a question. Do the qunari even use Canons? IIRC they use dreadnoughts but what of cannons do they use them as well? 

[Big I]

The first personal firearms developed in Europe were pretty ineffective. The arquebas was so inaccurate that apparently the saying went you were more likely to be shot by the enemy standing in front and to the side of you than the one directly ahead. Then there were problems like reloading through the muzzle, and the question of logistics, namely keeping soldiers supplied with gunpowder. Some historians say that it wasn't until the 19th century that guns outstripped the English longbow as more effective weapons.

 

Also to note is we don't actually know if the qunari have gunpowder. Gaatlock is spoken of as being a formula, and Anders Act 3 DA2 quest has him asking you to gather some of the traditional elements of gunpowder (which he then somehow used to create a giant red magical explosion), but we've never actually seen cannons in action. It could be some magical or alchemical concoction for all we know.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Kharn-ivor:  The Orlesian architecture shown in game disagrees with you.

[Big I]

Here is a question. Do the qunari even use Canons? IIRC they use dreadnoughts but what of cannons do they use them as well? 

 

It's in a codex entry that they do. Isabella might also mention it, I'm not sure

[Kharn-ivor]

@Kharn-ivor:  The Orlesian architecture shown in game disagrees with you.

Yeah in a way you're right, but it wouldnt say its full on renaissance, it's like a hybrid, def some Gothic in there don't forget of course that the Sainte chapelle is Gothic
 

PS: By not renaissance I ment it isn't early modern warfare

Modifié par Kharn-ivor, 27 octobre 2014 - 09:03 .

[Arcling]

I don't feel strongly one way or the other on the guns issue - it would all depend on how they were presented - but I don't think you can say that DA is "early middle ages".   Ferelden might be medieval-inspired, but Orlais seems to be a Renaissance society, Tevinter a classical one, and the Qunari seem to be pretty widely debated but are probably inspired by some golden age of technology, so there's clearly plenty of era mixing going on.  Given that, I don't think guns would necessarily be off from a lore perspective.

Of course, if you mean things like clothing, culture etc. there are inspirations from other ages too. Some were mixed on purpose to give disntinctive feeling (Qunari obviously being the best example) but when it comes to technology, it's not that well developed. Even crossbows don't appear to be common, although in our history there were times when strict regulations against their usage existed, but Thedas doesn't appear to have such regulations, perhaps it is only related to technological level. Bows seem to be the most common type of ranged weapon.

 

On a side note, rather than adding guns, I would like weapons such as pikes and halberds. Very often fantasy games shy away from them, or make them only appear on non-playable characters. Stabbing was a very common combat method, although perhaps some people would deem this form of combat unsightly or unhonourable for a "hero".

[SofaJockey]

The qunari have their gaatlok and some dwarves use blasting powder but both are limited. Why bother with flintlocks when a Mage can drop a firestorm on your head. I could see the franchise choosing to go more steampunk but not in the short term if ever.

[BloodyTalon]

Barriers can negate cannon fire apparently. Obviously it depends on the skill level and specialization of the mage. But a dozen powerful Force Mages would be able to deal with cannon fire not to mention small firearms. Thedas is a world with magic. That alone ensures that technological advancement wouldn't emulate our own. But as I said it all depends on whether the IP will spin off into future Ages.

And beside if the race that has the gunpowder really needs a portable canon or firearm they just bring out their slave mages.

[X Equestris]

Here is a question. Do the qunari even use Canons? IIRC they use dreadnoughts but what of cannons do they use them as well?

They have cannons on their dreadnoughts, and they appear to have field guns for sieges.