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[Vertrix]

Hello....i'd like to make an eldritch knight build rogue style, is it possible to do, with the classes of the expansions? (i have all expansions)?

I was thinking something like 10 Rogue/ 10 Wizard / 10 Eldritch Knight, so that, even if i cant do sneak attack on undeads, i can still cast the hell out of them...could this work? Any suggestion?

[rjshae]

How will you satisfy the Martial Weapons proficiency requirement? That class combo would work better for the arcane trickster PrC, which is a kick-arse class.

[Vertrix]

Yeah, well, i was thinking about wasting a talent to get that proficiency...also, arcane trickster doesn't reach the 9th caster level, or am i wrong?

I was building this character on the talent that adds the INT modifier to damages, but it is not from the original games, i asssume...

[rjshae]

Yeah, well, i was thinking about wasting a talent to get that proficiency...also, arcane trickster doesn't reach the 9th caster level, or am i wrong?

I was building this character on the talent that adds the INT modifier to damages, but it is not from the original games, i asssume...

 

Is Weapon Proficiency (Martial) a selectable feat? I thought you only gained it from the class; probably thinking of the PnP version.

 

Arcane Trickster adds +1 arcane spellcasting level per level to your Wizard (or whatever) class and has a maximum 10 levels.

 

Epic feat Combat Insight adds INT modifier to damage.

[Vertrix]

Ah, is it an epic talent? Damn.
Anyway, any good build with trickster, then? I honestly did read its description very quickly, and i thought it didnt allow to make a good 9th level caster....
the idea, anyway, would be making a two handed casting character....

[Arkalezth]

Define "rogue style". Do you just want to be able to open locks and disarm traps? Being stealthy and/or backstabbing enemies? All of the above? Something else?

 

Is Weapon Proficiency (Martial) a selectable feat?

 

Yes. All proficiencies are, except Weapon Proficiency [Introduce class name].

[Vertrix]

Yes, the idea is a stealthy/open locks and disarm character, but one who casts, too. I wouldnt care too much aabout backstabbing, beccause in the campaign the non-crit immune enemies aren't that many

i have found this one that doesn't look bad, imho

http://nwn2db.com/build/?73810

 

except for the facct that it has very few high level spells...
also, i have kaedrin prc installed so i have more possibilities, i think

[Arkalezth]

Well, that build isn't stealthy at all, so I guess you just want an EK with rogue skills. I wouldn't suggest playing that build, because, while it's OK at level 30, levelling is a pain, as you have to delay the spellcasting progression and alternate classes in order to avoid XP penalties (not to mention the extra racial one).

 

My suggestion would be to take a rogue level (make sure to take the feat Able Learner early), maybe a fighter level or some other warrior class (not necessary if you take martial weapons as a general feat; up to you), and then focus on wizard and EK. Once you get level 9 spells and perhaps maximise your spell slots per day, you can take a few more levels in rogue and fighter for evasion and extra feats. Numbers will be slightly worse at 30, but you'll be better all the way.

 

Kaedrin's pack may offer a few more options; I don't remember right now. You can consider bladesinger or swiftblade as the 4th class. Something like a rogue 2/wizard 8/swiftblade 10/EK 10 would probably be pretty strong.

[Thorsson64]

If you want Rogue skills from the off there's not really an option to go other than Rogue. Swiftblade isn't as powerful as it once was (only partial spellcasting progression), but it's still very good. Bladesinger is another option if you're going to wield just one Rapier or Longsword (and no Shield). There's also Dragon Slayer, but that is definitely weaker.

 

Personally I'd just put up with Neeshka and forget Rogue...

[Vertrix]

MMh, this one looks nice, too, even though it has a quite low DC

http://nwn2db.com/build/?144765

I am gonna try it with a tiefling instead of drow and with evocation spells instead of necromancy...

[Thorsson64]

With a Tiefling you will get an XP Penalty.

[rjshae]

Yes, the idea is a stealthy/open locks and disarm character, but one who casts, too. I wouldnt care too much aabout backstabbing, beccause in the campaign the non-crit immune enemies aren't that many

 

Isn't DIsarm borked? It's not on by default in the toolset, so the scenario designer has to intentionally enable it on every armed opponent for it to be of value.

[Thorsson64]

Lots of the early OC monsters are disarmable, but you can lose loot that way. Better just to kill them.

[Vertrix]

Woops. I meant disarm traps, not just disarm..

And yeah, up to now the xp penalty is bearable, i'll see what happens when i get to higher levels. Probably should have gone human, even though i wouldnt have that stat boost at creation...

[Thorsson64]

Any Race with Wizard as a favourite class would work, e.g. Moon Elf or Sun Elf.

[Vertrix]

Indeed, but thing is i don't like elves that much, lol :/


anyway, that xp penalty shouldn't be a big deal, and should only appear at high levels, i believe....so i think i can just deal with it

[Luminus]

Tiefling/Halfling/Elf/Human Rogue/Wizard/Eldritch Knight/Arcane Trickster and you can do all that.

Make sure to pick Able Learner so your skills are not wasted.

If you use Kaedrin's pack, Tieflings get Martial Weapons automatically, no need to pick it as a feat. And they get +2 Dex +2 INT and Favored Class: Rogue.
Also be sure to get Practiced Spellcaster: Wizard.

You lose a bit too many caster levels with Swiftblade, so I think the simple Eldritch Knight/Arcane Trickster combo works fine.
Tons of skills, full caster level and you can use spells to buff for combat. Be sure to get Combat Insight in epics.

[Vertrix]

so, basically, instead of picking 15 levels of wizard, it might be worth taking 10 of eldritch knight and 5 of trickster? (or 8/7)

[Thorsson64]

The problem with AT is that it is a low BAB class, plus you don't have any definite way to land sneak attacks, even on the non-immunes. You can get away with just about anything in the campaigns, but I wouldn't recommend an AT build.

 

I also wouldn't recommend an XP Penalty on an ECL1 character. OFC you can grind in a few places to get the additional XP you need, but it's quite a lot of extra work.

[Vertrix]

well, i usually finish MotB campaign at level 32 (level 30 + 2 more levels), so i think the xp penalty wont be a big problem

[Arkalezth]

Agreed with Thorsson.

 

It's not about the end level, it's about being weaker for the previous... what? 50 hours? If you like tieflings, by all means, play one, but if you're looking for the best race, I'd stay away from ECL.

 

Unless you or one of your companions take feint, I don't see much point in AT either... though some of the reserve feats can be used in conjunction with sneak attack, so that's something. Either way, there are probably better things to take as a fourth class. Also, I don't consider swiftblade's casting progression a problem. Just focus on EK first if you want level 9 spells ASAP.

[Naeryna]

Maybe Arcane Trickster is supposed to be bard/rogue, not wizard/rogue.

[Thorsson64]

@ Naeryna. No, it's just not a very strong class and requires good building and play skills. And that's even if it wasn't playing a Campaign that makes life difficult for sneak attackers. Mixing Bard & Rogue is generally not a good idea - they both gain from having lots of levels in the class.

 

@Vertrix. XP Penalty is worse than ECL in terms of XP needed. ECL & XP Penalty is a definite no-no.

[Vertrix]

Well, as i was saying, yes, perhaps the xp penalty will have its weight on high levels, but now, i am level 9-10, and that only means getting the level 5 minutes after the companions, so its not really a big deal. Perhaps i will delevel myself and get a new build, if the penalty will become unbearable

[Luminus]

@ Naeryna. No, it's just not a very strong class and requires good building and play skills. And that's even if it wasn't playing a Campaign that makes life difficult for sneak attackers. Mixing Bard & Rogue is generally not a good idea - they both gain from having lots of levels in the class.

 

@Vertrix. XP Penalty is worse than ECL in terms of XP needed. ECL & XP Penalty is a definite no-no.

Actually, a Rogue 1/Bard with Able Learner is a great idea. You get trapfinding and can increase those skills even more with Heroism or Bardic Inspirations.

It's not good when you dilute the levels of Rogue and Bard too much together or try going into Arcane Trickster with them.
Otherwise, a Rogue 1/Bard is excellent, very versatile and the general support build that does everything good but not great.