I happen to be a huge dragon fan , but the only reason i could play origins and dragon age 2 was because people had created mods to replace spiders with mabari or bears in dragon age nexus.
Is it possible that this can be done in dragon age inquisition , please i want to play a spider free game without panic attacks
spiders are very much part of dragonage, your request is gonna be denied, at least for inquistion, better luck in the next installment of the series,
Um, this was her point. Animals bred for war don't have a choice about being bred for war, and thus killing them feels somehow immoral. The mabari didn;t wake up one day and be 'I want to become a soldier.' It was conditioned by humans over the course of its life to fight.
You get it! *stamp of approval*
It was bred for it. Over several lifetimes those dogs have been taught and trained on how to kill a man. The dogs you fight in the game are not the dogs that were forced into this. The dogs you see are prepared to kill you.
You ... don't. *sigh*
Just because they aren't the original wild dogs that the humans captured doesn't mean they have any more ability to exercise their free will in deciding whether or not to kill you. They're "prepared to kill you" because that's what they've been conditioned to do since birth by a being with superior intelligence. Just because the humans chose the toughest and most vicious among their ancestors to reproduce doesn't automatically make them deserving of death.
If you really think any sentient creature can be born deserving to die purely for what they are, I can't help you. You can only deserve to die (or suffer in any way, for that matter) for what you CHOOSE to do, and mabari are denied choice.
You ... don't. *sigh*
Just because they aren't the original wild dogs that the humans captured doesn't mean they have any more ability to exercise their free will in deciding whether or not to kill you. They're "prepared to kill you" because that's what they've been conditioned to do since birth by a being with superior intelligence. Just because the humans chose the toughest and most vicious among their ancestors to reproduce doesn't automatically make them deserving of death.
If you really think any sentient creature can be born deserving to die purely for what they are, I can't help you. You can only deserve to die (or suffer in any way, for that matter) for what you CHOOSE to do, and mabari are denied choice.
I never said they deserve death. A lion is bred to kill, gazelle and man alike. Doesn't mean I think they should be slaughtered because they can kill man.
I never said that you should kill a dog just because it is prepared to kill you. Being prepared to kill can also be for self survival. You cannot feel sorry for something that has never known something you cherish. A dog that is never given a choice throughout it's entire life knows only to follow the orders it's master gives. If that order was to kill you, you shouldn't feel sorry for it.
Well I wouldn't feel sorry for it. I would feel sorry for a dog who clearly doesn't want to kill me but has too.
I never said they deserve death. A lion is bred to kill, gazelle and man alike. Doesn't mean I think they should be slaughtered because they can kill man.
I never said that you should kill a dog just because it is prepared to kill you. Being prepared to kill can also be for self survival. You cannot feel sorry for something that has never known something you cherish. A dog that is never given a choice throughout it's entire life knows only to follow the orders it's master gives. If that order was to kill you, you shouldn't feel sorry for it.
Well I wouldn't feel sorry for it. I would feel sorry for a dog who clearly doesn't want to kill me but has too.
If they don't deserve death, why don't you feel sorry for killing them?
I mean, hell, if I were put in such a scenario in reality, and it was my life or theirs, of course I'd choose my life too. I don't deserve to die either. But I'd still feel like **** for having to do that. I would still absolutely deeply regret being forced to kill a creature who was never given a choice whether or not to fight me.
Whereas if a mentally sound, free-thinking human made a choice to try and kill me, and I was forced to kill that person in the course of defending myself, I don't think I'd be too bothered.
If they don't deserve death, why don't you feel sorry for killing them?
I mean, hell, if I were put in such a scenario in reality, and it was my life or theirs, of course I'd choose my life too. I don't deserve to die either. But I'd still feel like **** for having to do that. I would still absolutely deeply regret being forced to kill a creature who was never given a choice whether or not to fight me.
Whereas if a mentally sound, free-thinking human made a choice to try and kill me, and I was forced to kill that person in the course of defending myself, I don't think I'd be too bothered.
I wouldn't feel bad for defending myself against another human being who had decided to kill me, because we are off a higher level of intelligence. A dog trained to kill you, not by choice but by pure nature, would honestly believe that killing you is the right thing to do. Just like we know that the right thing to do is to defend ourselves. Could you feel sorry for someone who honestly thought that killing you was the right thing to do. They haven't just decided, they actually believe that your death would be for the better.
That is why I wouldn't feel sorry for them. Why would I feel sorry for something because it believes what it has done is the right thing to do.
If they don't deserve death, why don't you feel sorry for killing them?
No because game.
I mean, hell, if I were put in such a scenario in reality, and it was my life or theirs, of course I'd choose my life too. I don't deserve to die either. But I'd still feel like **** for having to do that. I would still absolutely deeply regret being forced to kill a creature who was never given a choice whether or not to fight me.
Whereas if a mentally sound, free-thinking human made a choice to try and kill me, and I was forced to kill that person in the course of defending myself, I don't think I'd be too bothered.
Personally I'd feel worse abut the people. I'd feel guilty about the dogs yeah but there would be this deep existential ache for the humans if I ever stopped to think about it. Simply because I am human and I know the full vastness, the depth, of life I am stealing from these people. Plus the utterly arbitrary nature of how we ended up at odds wouldn't help.
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The immorality is on the part of the humans who trained the dog to kill you, not yourself for killing the dog who is trying to kill you. At best you could incapacitate it instead, but even today we put down animals that have already been conditioned to become too aggressive by whatever circumstances. Whether it's bears too comfortable around humans or dogs that bite people. Unfortunate but society doesn't deem their rehabilitation worth the effort.
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Whereas if a mentally sound, free-thinking human made a choice to try and kill me, and I was forced to kill that person in the course of defending myself, I don't think I'd be too bothered.
mmmh have you been in said situation? I wouldn't be so sure. Most people with a conscience who aren't trained to kill, and probably many who are trained to kill as well, will be traumatized by actually doing the deed. Even if the person you killed was a total psychopath, it's not so easy to end another person's life, and deal with the aftermath of doing so.
OTOH hunters shoot innocent deer for sport and feel just fine about it.
Somehow this became the gamey violence thread.
Aren't mabari sapient anyway? The ones trying to kill you are almost certainly jerks.
No because game.
Personally I'd feel worse abut the people. I'd feel guilty about the dogs yeah but there would be this deep existential ache for the humans if I ever stopped to think about it. Simply because I am human and I know the full vastness, the depth, of life I am stealing from these people. Plus the utterly arbitrary nature of how we ended up at odds wouldn't help.
Well, in my first post in this thread I did explicitly say that this was not something that was going to ruin the game for me. I'm going to kill those mabari when I have to do so to progress in the game, because they're not real, and the rest of the game is going to be well worth it. But I'm not ashamed to say that games have the power to affect me emotionally ... after all, that's why BioWare are my favorite game developers. I actually think it's a positive sign that I can't COMPLETELY detach myself emotionally from a game. I mean sure, I do "evil" playthroughs where I indulge the worst side of myself, but it always provokes a little bit of guilt in me, and frankly, that fact relieves me. Dominating Zaalbar's mind and making him kill 14-year-old Mission Vao, his best friend, will simply never sit right with me, never be something I can derive the slightest bit of enjoyment from even in fantasy, and I'm glad of that fact. Note that I don't object at all to the option being in the game.
As for the second part of your post, maybe I should clarify I hope I am never put in such a position. But the completely arbitrary nature of the conflict I hypothesized is actually the only reason I might be as okay with it as I said I'd be. I'd assuredly feel FAR worse if there was some logical reason the person had to want me dead, if I had wronged them in some way, if it was possible I had hurt them badly enough to provoke them to violence. Then I would bear no small degree of responsibility for their death, it would not be as clear-cut a case of aggressor vs. aggrieved, and that would be a HUGE source of guilt and moral conflictedness for me.
Im Agorophobic Bioware should change the game and make it in doors only... dam but that would upset the Clostrophobics.
Ok look joking aside Killing the spiders could help you overcome your fear as apposed to simply trying to avoid it.
The immorality is on the part of the humans who trained the dog to kill you, not yourself for killing the dog who is trying to kill you. At best you could incapacitate it instead, but even today we put down animals that have already been conditioned to become too aggressive by whatever circumstances. Whether it's bears too comfortable around humans or dogs that bite people. Unfortunate but society doesn't deem their rehabilitation worth the effort.
I agree with you entirely. I should clarify my position: I'm not arguing you shouldn't defend yourself in such a situation. My point was really just that killing unwilling combatants should not be something anyone takes pleasure in, and should probably trouble you at least a little bit. Incapacitation and rehabilitation are obviously the best options, but it's not an interesting moral debate if you can opt for the ideal middle ground! I tried to be careful to specify in all my posts that I was specifically speaking about a situation where you are FORCED to make a "their life or mine" decision.
mmmh have you been in said situation? I wouldn't be so sure. Most people with a conscience who aren't trained to kill, and probably many who are trained to kill as well, will be traumatized by actually doing the deed. Even if the person you killed was a total psychopath, it's not so easy to end another person's life, and deal with the aftermath of doing so.
OTOH hunters shoot innocent deer for sport and feel just fine about it.
Somehow this became the gamey violence thread.
I haven't. I'm talking completely out of my ass. I'm glad I have that luxury and I hope I never have to make any of the choices I'm talking about here today.
I will always blame Tolkien for including giant spiders in his stories for the horror I have to endure in this modern age of fantasy RPGS :T
Here is another piccy of Blinky taken from the achievements topic (probably not a good idea for major arachnophobes to look at it as he is BIG). All I want to know if it it can bleed. Because "If it can bleed... we can kill it!" 
Here is another piccy of Blinky taken from the achievements topic (probably not a good idea for major arachnophobes to look at it as he is BIG). All I want to know if it it can bleed. Because "If it can bleed... we can kill it!"
Spoiler
What about Wolverine? You know... the Canadian mutant...
Blinky doesn't bother me at all! And I'm gonna kill him so dead.
Blinky doesn't bother me at all! And I'm gonna kill him so dead.
The horror! For all you know, he's a kind and gentle creature of the night.
Blinky is a Spirit of Hope. You heard it hear first folks!
Blinky is a Spirit of Hope. You heard it hear first folks!
OH S*** SON!
Ah yes our human race never stops to astound me. In most places around the world it is far more likely to get bitten by a dog than getting bitten by a spider (and in most regions geting bitten by a spider is pretty harmless as well unlike most dog bites) but yet arachnophobia is the most common phobia and people look at me as if I suggested to steal candy from small children if I say that I hate dogs.
Is this not a joke? Phobia of digital pixelated spider? I'm acrophobia but i don't seem to have problem playing Assassin's Creed.
Here is another piccy of Blinky taken from the achievements topic (probably not a good idea for major arachnophobes to look at it as he is BIG). All I want to know if it it can bleed. Because "If it can bleed... we can kill it!"
Spoiler
And I think this is why Blinky can't be classified as a spider. An arachnid, certainly, and therefore likely to trigger arachnophobia. But I suspect calling him?/her?/it? a spider isn't doing that creature justice and may very well incur some sort of horrific cosmic wrath. I'll refrain from poking Blinky in that particular eye, if you don't mind. </groan-worthy pun>
And I think this is why Blinky can't be classified as a spider. An arachnid, certainly, and therefore likely to trigger arachnophobia. But I suspect calling him?/her?/it? a spider isn't doing that creature justice and may very well incur some sort of horrific cosmic wrath. I'll refrain from poking Blinky in that particular eye, if you don't mind. </groan-worthy pun>
He's like a crider. A mix between a crab and a spider.
I wouldn't feel bad for defending myself against another human being who had decided to kill me, because we are off a higher level of intelligence. A dog trained to kill you, not by choice but by pure nature, would honestly believe that killing you is the right thing to do. Just like we know that the right thing to do is to defend ourselves. Could you feel sorry for someone who honestly thought that killing you was the right thing to do. They haven't just decided, they actually believe that your death would be for the better.
That is why I wouldn't feel sorry for them. Why would I feel sorry for something because it believes what it has done is the right thing to do.
Dogs don't concern themselves with morality: right and wrong, better or worse, these higher concepts are meaningless to most animals. Humans bred them for war without their(dog) consent. Their lives are a tragedy and you should be sympathetic to their fate even if it's necessary to kill them.
He's like a crider. A mix between a crab and a spider.
Big B does look kind of crabby, doesn't he? (OK, I lied about those bad puns. 
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He's like the love child of an arachnid and a crustacean. On a heavy overdose of growth hormones.
Killing the mabari on the wounded coast in DA2 (I don't remember if there are any other mabari enemies in DA2 or DA:O) made me feel bad, I was thinking of modding that out.
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