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[bootyislovebootyislife]

So blood mages typically seek out demons to acquire more power, however the  deal has to be mutually beneficial! What do the demons usually gain? They get to experience the mortal world and they gain a physical foothold in the mortal realm.

 

However, in DAI, the breach is letting demons pour out into the mortal world, in their true form. With the breach, demons don't need to deal with mortals to get what blood mages used to give them.

 

Lore wise, i think this explains why the Inquisitor wont be able to be a blood mage and why we probably, according to me, won't meet any.

[EmperorSahlertz]

There will be blood mages in DA:I...

[raging_monkey]

BM is also gained through books and "accidents"

[Lord of Mortlan]

So blood mages typically seek out demons to acquire more power, however the  deal has to be mutually beneficial! What do the demons usually gain? They get to experience the mortal world and they gain a physical foothold in the mortal realm.

 

However, in DAI, the breach is letting demons pour out into the mortal world, in their true form. With the breach, demons don't need to deal with mortals to get what blood mages used to give them.

 

Lore wise, i think this explains why the Inquisitor wont be able to be a blood mage and why we probably, according to me, won't meet any.

I suppose it makes sence in a way, but wont the demons stil need mages. It is not like the breach is everywhere, and mages still come in handy. Now they just dosn´t meet in the fade but in real life. 

[HK-90210]

Oh, there are going to be blood mages. The Inquisitor just won't be one of them.

 

All maleficar scum must die. The Maker demands it.

[EmperorSahlertz]

BM is also gained through books and "accidents"

Not really no. Blood Magic REQUIRES demons. Wether a demon or a book told you this, makes no difference in the long run.

[Cerulione]

I heard on one of the interview with the dev, the mage inquisitor can't be a blood mage cause they want to ensure that when some mage do blood magic it's recognize by everyone. They did get a backslash by making Cullen really oblivious while Hawke use magic in front of his nose at DA2, so this time for story reason your inquisitor can't be a blood mage. And apparently blood magic is not only a kind of magic, it's also a type of magic and a source of magic at the same time so it can't simply be a specialization like on the previous games.

But there will be blood mages.

[raging_monkey]

Not really no. Blood Magic REQUIRES demons. Wether a demon or a book told you this, makes no difference in the long run.

yes for the greater spells but the ones just augmenting spells is what im refering to

[Br3admax]

Those still require demons. I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.

[raging_monkey]

Those still require demons. I'm but sure why you would think otherwise.

i know denial is strong in me XD lol

Jokes aside: im fully aware of what the lore says but some things just dont add up. Hawke for example can be a BM and its unknow how he got as the spec descprition is somewhat vague

[EmperorSahlertz]

i know denial is strong in me XD lol

Jokes aside: im fully aware of what the lore says but some things just dont add up. Hawke for example can be a BM and its unknow how he got as the spec descprition is somewhat vague

That is just gameplay. Hawke can also become a Templar for no apparent reason.

[Xilizhra]

Not really no. Blood Magic REQUIRES demons. Wether a demon or a book told you this, makes no difference in the long run.

Not if blood magic was originally taught by Dumat.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Not if blood magic was originally taught by Dumat.

Also then yes. In that case, all Dumat did, was telling the mages that Demons could be used for magic.

[raging_monkey]

That is just gameplay. Hawke can also become a Templar for no apparent reason.

damn gameplay segreation confusing people since inception

[Angry_Elcor]

I just assumed that everyone had their blood replaced by a hallucinogenic fruit punch that causes fitful rages over clothing and hair.

[herkles]

damn gameplay segreation confusing people since inception

 

Thankfully this is less of the case in Inqusition. Each of our specializations will require us doing something to gain them*, not to mention they will be commented on. People will acknowledge if you are tempest, assassin, or an artificer even if it is just a minor diologue changes, it can add greatly to the world in making you feel more connected to them. 

 

The problem is blood magic is something almost no one likes. Almost everyone views it as evil. You using blood magic would not fit with what you are doing in the story. That said you do get Necromancy which is the 'darker' mage class of choice. But Necromancers seem to practice a more powerful version of Entropy style of magic. Not to mention the Mortalitasi in Nevarra are respected necromancers. 

 

 

*side note: I would be overjoyed if to learn the Necromancy Specialization you get to learn from a Mortalitasi member

[ZerioctheTank]

Most of your companions would either kill or abandon you if you were a blood mage.

Cassandra would most certainly attack you

Iron Bull would be cautious around with his whole demon phobia or just not join you

Blackwall I could see him just keeping a close eye on you with his hand on the hilt of his sword (I know little about him & I figured since he is a grey warden the end justifies the means)

Sera would flat out leave you

Varric would probably do the same

Cole, I could see staying for a bit but depending on your choices would leave

Vivienne would fry you alive

Solas would probably do the same or leave the party

Dorian, I'm not sure about him since he grew up in Tevinter but he may have reservations about blood magic.

[Statare]

There is a mixed message about Blood Magic in the games. On the one hand it is taught by demons and spirits and can be used to actively deal with spirits and demons, for summoning, for complex spells, for any spell, etc. Also, in the lore, unlike normal magic which draws on Fade energy (mana) for its power (that's why normal magic weakens the veil and why demons can find mages easier than non mages when they dream, because mages are naturally a bridge between the two worlds), blood magic is supposed to be purely physical, and we are told some magical orders only practiced Blood Magic (see the wiki) because it did not involve the Fade in any way and so was supposed to be "safer" than dealing with the Fade all the time to cast spells (using mana). It really is unclear if the entities of the fade must be dealt with to cast Blood Magic, because on the one hand that theory is supported, and on the other we are told mana is a fade connection, where as blood has it's own inherent powers.

 

Look at the Darkspawn. They get their magic from the Taint, which is basically their life-blood. It grants them an endless energy supply, and Avernus described the power of the Taint as alien to the Fade. Also, to achieve this Tainted state, an unprecedented blood ritual was apparently conducted by the Magisters to enter the Black City, which is like the center of the fade, but the least fadey part of the Fade because no Fade creature ever goes there, and it is nigh impossible to enter the Black City. So, even in the role of the Taint-as-not-Fade-Magic, it is confusing because of the role of the Black City in the Taint story.

 

Anyway. Point is. Yes: if all blood magic involves dealing with fade entities to work, then the Fade Tears in DA:I would logically make it so demons are less willing to help mages cast these spells because they can simply waltz over to the nearest Fade Tear and enter the mortal world. No: if blood is really the opposite of mana and draws power not from the Fade, then blood magic should still be the same, besides maybe a few demons no longer teaching it because they're busy with the Fade Tears, and maybe a few demons being less interested in hijacking mages in general because they're already frolicking around Thedas.

[EmperorKarino]

Most of your companions would either kill or abandon you if you were a blood mage.

Cassandra would most certainly attack you

Iron Bull would be cautious around with his whole demon phobia or just not join you

Blackwall I could see him just keeping a close eye on you with his hand on the hilt of his sword (I know little about him & I figured since he is a grey warden the end justifies the means)

Sera would flat out leave you

Varric would probably do the same

Cole, I could see staying for a bit but depending on your choices would leave

Vivienne would fry you alive

Solas would probably do the same or leave the party

Dorian, I'm not sure about him since he grew up in Tevinter but he may have reservations about blood magic.

 

pretty sure varric would be fine with it since he never had a problem with merrill using blood magic.

[thats1evildude]

Demons offer the secrets of blood magic to mages in order to gain access to this world.

With the Veil torn, the demons no longer need mages to enter the physical world. Thus, no one's offering. Simple as that.

[Grimmdead]

Oh Maker I hope that the Dev's put some Evil Dead references in DA:I

[Kalas Magnus]

i think they just didnt want to deal with everyone turning on you. templars, locals, friends. All you'd have is tevinter. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Not really no. Blood Magic REQUIRES demons. Wether a demon or a book told you this, makes no difference in the long run.

I don't think the lore ever comes right out and states this, and whether or not demons are even involved seems to vary from source to source.

[old_dawn]

There's probably toll road fee on the Fade side of the breaches. The dominant demons probably control which demons get to pass through which means some of the lessor demons will still probably have to find some other way of entering Thedas!

[herkles]

we will be encountering blood mages, we just can't be one.