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A question on ungaxing Gaxkang (SPOILERS)


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Just attempted to bring down Gaxkang.  Obviously, he's no pushover. The most common strategy that I found on the net was to use Mana clash. I did. Many times. But he resisted. I got very irritated simply because when so many people claim that mana clash worked for them, why doesn't it work for me? Does his resistance to mana clash have anything to do with the difficulty level? Or do I have to use Dispell Magic or Curse of Mortality before I use Mana Clash?

If Mana clash doesn't work, I'll have to use the other viable strategy. Equip Alistair with spell-resistant armor and equipment. Use fire-based spells. Make Alistair use Cleanse and Morrigan use Dispel magic and Curse of Mortatlity. .Oh, and replace Sten with Shale.Hopefully then I can get some breakthrough.



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His spell resistance is pretty high, but he is not actually immune. If he's resisted several times in a row for you, then consider that a run of bad luck. If you keep trying, it will work eventually.

 

I think there is a common trick here with Gaxkang, which is to pause the game IMMEDIATELY as the fight scene starts, before he has taken either the Arcane Horror or Revenant forms (and still looks human). If you're quick enough, he won't have his abilities and resistances from his undead forms, so spells are much more likely to work.

 

Mana Clash has no prerequisites, but casting Vulnerability Hex on him first will hamstring his resistances, increasing both the damage output of Mana Clash, and the chance it will work in the first place. Of course, he might resist Vulnerability Hex too...

 

Also notice he has two forms - Arcane Horror and Revenant. He has different traits in each form, and it is possible one gives him more spell resistance than the other. Off the top of my head I'd guess he'd have a higher resistance as a Revenant, but that's something I'd really have to check.

 

As general strategy advice, remember that he is vulnerable to fire damage.

 

Also, there is another neat trick: if you can get a Vulnerability Hex and Affliction Hex to stick to him, then unloading all your grenades and bombs (which I'm sure you've been hoarding for a rainy day) will drop his health like crazy.


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His spell resistance is pretty high, but he is not actually immune. If he's resisted several times in a row for you, then consider that a run of bad luck. If you keep trying, it will work eventually.

 

I think there is a common trick here with Gaxkang, which is to pause the game IMMEDIATELY as the fight scene starts, before he has taken either the Arcane Horror or Revenant forms (and still looks human). If you're quick enough, he won't have his abilities and resistances from his undead forms, so spells are much more likely to work.

 

Mana Clash has no prerequisites, but casting Vulnerability Hex on him first will hamstring his resistances, increasing both the damage output of Mana Clash, and the chance it will work in the first place. Of course, he might resist Vulnerability Hex too...

 

Also notice he has two forms - Arcane Horror and Revenant. He has different traits in each form, and it is possible one gives him more spell resistance than the other. Off the top of my head I'd guess he'd have a higher resistance as a Revenant, but that's something I'd really have to check.

 

As general strategy advice, remember that he is vulnerable to fire damage.

 

Also, there is another neat trick: if you can get a Vulnerability Hex and Affliction Hex to stick to him, then unloading all your grenades and bombs (which I'm sure you've been hoarding for a rainy day) will drop his health like crazy.

Thanks! Actually,I used to use Mana clash, the very second the fight starts. That time, he'll be in the Arcane horror form. I didn't try the Mana clash on his Revenant form. Anyway, will change my stratgy(like I mentioned in my previous post) and hope that I don't spend countless hours on taking down this maniac!



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Good luck.

 

Remember his melee attacks can hit several of your party at once, so if you're loading Alistair up with spell resist gear as a decoy (which is a good idea), then I'd take ranged companions. Replace Sten/Shale with Leliana if you want more firepower, or Wynne if Alistair drops too quickly and you need a heal-spammer.


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His spell resistance is pretty high, but he is not actually immune. If he's resisted several times in a row for you, then consider that a run of bad luck. If you keep trying, it will work eventually.

 

I think there is a common trick here with Gaxkang, which is to pause the game IMMEDIATELY as the fight scene starts, before he has taken either the Arcane Horror or Revenant forms (and still looks human). If you're quick enough, he won't have his abilities and resistances from his undead forms, so spells are much more likely to work.

 

Mana Clash has no prerequisites, but casting Vulnerability Hex on him first will hamstring his resistances, increasing both the damage output of Mana Clash, and the chance it will work in the first place. Of course, he might resist Vulnerability Hex too...

 

Also notice he has two forms - Arcane Horror and Revenant. He has different traits in each form, and it is possible one gives him more spell resistance than the other. Off the top of my head I'd guess he'd have a higher resistance as a Revenant, but that's something I'd really have to check.

 

As general strategy advice, remember that he is vulnerable to fire damage.

 

Also, there is another neat trick: if you can get a Vulnerability Hex and Affliction Hex to stick to him, then unloading all your grenades and bombs (which I'm sure you've been hoarding for a rainy day) will drop his health like crazy.

 

This brings back memories of the day I killed Gaxkang nine times (on Nightmare!) because he refused to drop Fade Wall for me.  :angry:

 

I had two mages (Warden and Morrigan), Zevran, and Alistair. I found stuff that disrupts/neutralized his casting was a big help (Magebane on all the blades, Mana Clash, Dispel Magic, Cleanse Area...). Cone of Cold is useful, if you can avoid freezing your melee fighters, too... the freeze doesn't hurt Gaxkang. but it will immobilize him and keep him from hurting your party. Morrigan had Flaming Weapons, so that was active... I think the reason the fight is so difficult is that it's a very small space... it's hard to use anything AOE in a tiny hovel and not kill your party with friendly fire.

 

Alistair got the kill, nine times out of nine. I  got one of my favourite screencaps, ever:

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Good luck.

 

Remember his melee attacks can hit several of your party at once, so if you're loading Alistair up with spell resist gear as a decoy (which is a good idea), then I'd take ranged companions. Replace Sten/Shale with Leliana if you want more firepower, or Wynne if Alistair drops too quickly and you need a heal-spammer.

One of my botheration in forming a new team to take down  Old Gaxie is choosing between Wynne and Morrigan. No doubt, Wynne's healing is superlative but then Morrigan has use pretty useful spells like Curse of Mortality, Dispel Magic and Vulnerability Hex. Her spells could bring down Gaxie's  magic and then my warriors will cut him down. I guess I'll frist try with Morrigan. If she fails, will replace her with Wynne.  


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This brings back memories of the day I killed Gaxkang nine times (on Nightmare!) because he refused to drop Fade Wall for me.  :angry:

 

I had two mages (Warden and Morrigan), Zevran, and Alistair. I found stuff that disrupts/neutralized his casting was a big help (Magebane on all the blades, Mana Clash, Dispel Magic, Cleanse Area...). Cone of Cold is useful, if you can avoid freezing your melee fighters, too... the freeze doesn't hurt Gaxkang. but it will immobilize him and keep him from hurting your party. Morrigan had Flaming Weapons, so that was active... I think the reason the fight is so difficult is that it's a very small space... it's hard to use anything AOE in a tiny hovel and not kill your party with friendly fire.

 

Alistair got the kill, nine times out of nine. I  got one of my favourite screencaps, ever:

DAOrigins2012-01-2916-17-52-00_edit_zps7

You took him down 9 times on Nightmare!!?!! Awesome! And here there's me, already gone down about 5 to 6 times on "Normal" mode :(  You mentioned that you used Mana clash. Did it really work? I tried a lot of times; had NO effect on him.


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You took him down 9 times on Nightmare!!?!! Awesome! And here there's me, already gone down about 5 to 6 times on "Normal" mode :(  You mentioned that you used Mana clash. Did it really work? I tried a lot of times; had NO effect on him.

 

On his arcane horror form, yes. On his revenant form, no. Took me a couple of PTs to figure that out, that he's essentially two bosses in one, each requiring a different approach. 


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I just killled him! Whew! Finally...Don't know how it happened, but luckily it did...
But I still can't figure out why the Mana clash never worked here. Just now  (when I killed him) it worked once and that made the difference. Though Alistar had some spell resistance equipped on him, he didn't seem to be doing any damage. In fact NONE of my team seem to be doing much damage. Even Morrigan's hexes and Curse of Mortatily were resisted by Gaxie. I had set the tactic for "Cleanse Area" on Alistair but still it didn't work. What worked were the fire spells that I i used. And in between I had to continuously heal all my team members.
But sadly at the end, he didn't drop Fade wall, so guess I need to kill him more number of times. Anyway now I've got the confidence (and some strategy). And I'll replace Morrigan with Wynne. The former doesn't seem to have ANY effect.
One burning question. 

What is the correct tactic setting for "Dispel Magic" and "Cleanse Area"? I have currently set it to "Enemy has any magic buff, use...". Is it the right tactic? If so, then why are my team members not using it?


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You need to use mana clash with Wynne. There is an particular way to use it or it won't work. You need to cast vulnerability hex and then use Spell might and vessel of the spirit at the same while she haves her personal quest necklace equiped. Anything short of that and mana clash will be too weak to kill Gaxkang.


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This discussion seems pretty closed but thought I'd admit a mistake that I made :( 
I had stated earlier that Mana clash wasn't working  for me...I was wrong...It was working! The reason I felt it was not working was that after using that on Gaxie, I used to see the text "Resisted" appear over him. But his health did use to reduce after using the mana clash spell. Since the reduction wasn't by much amount, I falsely assumed that it didn't work! My bad!
Finally, I did find a very useful way  (on the net) to bring him down.
I replaced Alistair  with Zevran. (The team then being Shale, Wynne, Zevran and my Warden mage). Zevran was weilding the dagger "Dead Thaig Shanker" which has the awesome property of interrupting spellcasting! This dagger also has two rune slots. The other dagger that Zevran was wielding was Thorn of the Dead Gods, which also had two rune slots. So I had total four rune slots on two daggers, that I filled with mostly Dweomer (spell-resistant) runes.
During combat, when good old Shale got all the love and attention from Gaxie,  I positioned  my new best friend Zevran just behind the latter. Zevran was just chopping and stabbing all the time, preventing Gaxie from casting any hugely damaging spells. The rest, as they say, was history.
And the icing on the cake was when Gaxie dropped dead, he had a gift for me..the "Fade Wall" shield :) And though I don't have much use for shields (Alistair is my only warrior who uses shield and I don't use him much)...still hope it proves useful when the need arises!
 


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It's actually possible to one shot Gaxkang with mana clash. You just need to have high enough spellpower (wich is increased by the magic attribute). Here is an video showing it:

 



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It's actually possible to one shot Gaxkang with mana clash. You just need to have high enough spellpower (wich is increased by the magic attribute). Here is an video showing it:

 

Thanks for the video! It's unbelievable! I watched the video but it was very unclear as to what exactly the equipment (and the amount of spellpower/magic) that the user was using. I'll post a question to that user in Youtube and see if I get any response.



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Thanks for the video! It's unbelievable! I watched the video but it was very unclear as to what exactly the equipment (and the amount of spellpower/magic) that the user was using. I'll post a question to that user in Youtube and see if I get any response.

 

Staff of the magister lords

Libertarian's cowl

black hand gauntlets

reaper's vestments

bard's dancing shoes

spellward

ring of ages

ring of faith

 

Also has 51 willpower, which means she spent 20 points on it.

 

You can see 116 spellpower in the character screen, having been bumped up by spell might and spell wisp. She also casts vulnerability hex at the start

 

Ultimately it's a pretty defensive build and you can get your spellpower quite a bit higher if you want to



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I always tank train gax 3 warriors one healer works fine even on nightmare