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[Aimi]

Lakers got stomped to again. Kobe did a bit better from the field against the Suns at least. He was balling.

The Lakers this season are only a professional basketball team in an extremely technical sense.

[Aimi]

Oh my goodness LeBron is awful so far this game

he got, like, skinny

he got backed down by JASON SMITH

what in the what

[TurianRebel212]

[SlottsMachine]

More like, "I don't always choke but when I do and its the fourth quarter people actually notice."

[Aimi]

Having Steve Ballmer in the league is so great.

[The Love Runner]

Ok, which song do you guys and gals want as our national anthem for the NBA?

This:



Or This:



Brb, gonna rewatch Space Jam for the lulz.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

**** yeah Wizards 105 Magic 98, gotta say though Fournier was amazing

 

 

 

oh also, how long do you think it will take for LeBron to start blaming Love and Kyrie for how much the Cavs will suck this year?

[The Love Runner]

Theme song should obviously be this

I raise with this:



Michael Zordon for the win!!

[mybudgee]

[TurianRebel212]

 

 

LeCramp. I've never seen such adoration and love for such a loser. The dude's got a losing record in the NBA finals. He's a loser. He needed a trade and two other superstars to win a ring.... Ha. 

 

*Bosh had 26 and 12. Heat won their opener. Yeah... Yeah*

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

yeah, the Heat arent a one trick pony anymore and they'll only get better when McRoberts and Granger start playing (and if Chalmers finds his balls)

[Aimi]

Ok, which song do you guys and gals want as our national anthem for the NBA?

 
As much as I adore Space Jam there is only one legitimate answer.


 

**** yeah Wizards 105 Magic 98, gotta say though Fournier was amazing

 
You a Wiz fan? I like pretty much everything about that team except the name and the coach. They need to go back to being the Bullets, and they needed to have switched to somebody better than Randy Wittman. Witt had a few nifty tactical ideas in the first round of the playoffs, but Les Boulez still got destroyed in the Pacers series amid the usual endgame mismanagement.
 

LeCramp. I've never seen such adoration and love for such a loser. The dude's got a losing record in the NBA finals. He's a loser. He needed a trade and two other superstars to win a ring.... Ha. 
 
*Bosh had 26 and 12. Heat won their opener. Yeah... Yeah*

 
...wow.

And here I was thinking that all this talk was over and done with after LeBron led the Heat to back-to-back titles against two excellent teams (pre-Harden trade, full-strength Thunder and Pop's Spurs).
 

yeah, the Heat arent a one trick pony anymore and they'll only get better when McRoberts and Granger start playing (and if Chalmers finds his balls)

Maybe. McBob is a solid player, but Granger reeeeaaalllly seems washed up at this point. He and Chalmers aren't magically going to get really good now that LeBron is gone.

Spo's Heat have never really been a one-trick pony except for those pre-Bron years when they had Wade, Haslem, and a bunch of assorted scrubs. The 2011 Heat was one of the most offensively gifted teams I've ever seen and that was before they figured out the (in?)famous smallball tweaks. If that team ended up being a one-trick pony in any individual games, it was because Wade and Bosh and the role players weren't getting anything to fall and LeBron had to handle almost everything himself.

Remember, Bosh reinvented himself as a quality jump-shooting big that could regularly knock down threes, and that fueled a lot of Miami's offensive resurgence last season and postseason after Wade's injuries turned him into a shell of himself. (Yeah, Wade was still ridiculously efficient when he was on the court, but he wasn't on the court as much.) But in the Spurs series, Bosh's shot stopped falling, LeBron turned into the only real creator, and the team was only saved from a sweep because LeBron went absolutely bonkers in Game 2.

Losing LeBron doesn't make the Heat a better team by any stretch of the imagination. They're missing the world's best player, and one who didn't demand the ball in his hands to the extent that it shut out his teammates from looks that they would've done better with. The team's still a smallball team, with no true centers on the roster (unless you feel really good about Justin Hamilton); the only reason they outrebounded the Wizards in that first game is because Nene's suspended so the Wiz are missing half of their twin tower lineup. (They started Gooden at the 4 and gave Garrett freaking Temple thirty minutes at the 2, and Temple picked up more boards. Yeesh.) They've still got all the weaknesses of the old LeBron-era team without nearly as many of the strengths. The Heat are a low-seed playoff team in the putrid East, but not much more than that.

Anyway, I wouldn't overreact to one game. LeBron probably just needs to put on a bit of weight, settle into a proper rhythm with his team, and he'll be fine. Check back in a coupla months.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

 
 
You a Wiz fan? I like pretty much everything about that team except the name and the coach. They need to go back to being the Bullets, and they needed to have switched to somebody better than Randy Wittman. Witt had a few nifty tactical ideas in the first round of the playoffs, but Les Boulez still got destroyed in the Pacers series amid the usual endgame mismanagement.
 
 
...wow.

And here I was thinking that all this talk was over and done with after LeBron led the Heat to back-to-back titles against two excellent teams (pre-Harden trade, full-strength Thunder and Pop's Spurs).
 

Maybe. McBob is a solid player, but Granger reeeeaaalllly seems washed up at this point. He and Chalmers aren't magically going to get really good now that LeBron is gone.

Spo's Heat have never really been a one-trick pony except for those pre-Bron years when they had Wade, Haslem, and a bunch of assorted scrubs. The 2011 Heat was one of the most offensively gifted teams I've ever seen and that was before they figured out the (in?)famous smallball tweaks. If that team ended up being a one-trick pony in any individual games, it was because Wade and Bosh and the role players weren't getting anything to fall and LeBron had to handle almost everything himself.

Remember, Bosh reinvented himself as a quality jump-shooting big that could regularly knock down threes, and that fueled a lot of Miami's offensive resurgence last season and postseason after Wade's injuries turned him into a shell of himself. (Yeah, Wade was still ridiculously efficient when he was on the court, but he wasn't on the court as much.) But in the Spurs series, Bosh's shot stopped falling, LeBron turned into the only real creator, and the team was only saved from a sweep because LeBron went absolutely bonkers in Game 2.

Losing LeBron doesn't make the Heat a better team by any stretch of the imagination. They're missing the world's best player, and one who didn't demand the ball in his hands to the extent that it shut out his teammates from looks that they would've done better with. The team's still a smallball team, with no true centers on the roster (unless you feel really good about Justin Hamilton); the only reason they outrebounded the Wizards in that first game is because Nene's suspended so the Wiz are missing half of their twin tower lineup. (They started Gooden at the 4 and gave Garrett freaking Temple thirty minutes at the 2, and Temple picked up more boards. Yeesh.) They've still got all the weaknesses of the old LeBron-era team without nearly as many of the strengths. The Heat are a low-seed playoff team in the putrid East, but not much more than that.

Anyway, I wouldn't overreact to one game. LeBron probably just needs to put on a bit of weight, settle into a proper rhythm with his team, and he'll be fine. Check back in a coupla months.

yeah im a Wiz fan, and yes i preferred them as the Bullets, as for Whitman im not a huge fan of his but im curious to see what he can do with what looks like a more complete roster (no offence to Ariza but he cant handle The Truth ), however i do think Rice should be starting while Beal is injured, also getting a shooting big man might be good, as much as i love Gortat and Nene they have 0 range.

 

 

by saying the Heat were a one trick pony i mean that in many situations they used LeBron as a crutch, just like Wade before him and maybe now that they dont have him their other players will stop hiding in the big games.

 

And im not sure im ready to write off Granger before he plays a single minute, after 20-30 games yeah you might turn out to be right but its way to early to tell. Chalmers, and also Cole's problem is that by playing with LeBron their development got stifled, when your starting PG is relegated to 4th string ball handler and has 2 assists a game you know you're doing something wrong, they just have no experience running a offence....maybe the Heat shouldnt have resigned Chalmers and gone harder after Isiah Thomas

 

either way i cant respect a team without a bruising big man

 

which reminds me, why cant the Kings just give up on Cousins and send him to Washington to play with Wall (yeah im a Wildcats fan too )

i mean think about it, Wiz send Gortat and a bunch of picks to Boston, Kings get Rondo and send Cousins to Washington

[TurianRebel212]

Lakers played well it looked like, should have won. Kobe played well early but I think he was gassed by the 4th quarter (still trying to get into game shape I think). But...... Dat reverse jam doe... Damn. Yeah, I think he's fine and not old and over the hill lol, (suck a nut ESPN "analysts"). If the Lakers just had another dude that could give them 15 to 20 a night consistently they might have a shot at playoffs. I don't think they will tho, and the west is TOUGH. If they played in the Least, I mean East, I think they would be a top 6 team or so, lol. 

[TurianRebel212]

Been a while since I followed basketball. I gave up when Lebron left the Cavs. How long did Jordan go without a ring in Chi Town? Went back to my roots and started following football (soccer). Might pick NBA back up again. I was nasty at point/forward in highschool, but drugs and the wrong crowd ****ed that up. 

 

He won his first his 7th year in the league I think (91), but he missed almost and entire season with a broken foot, so really... It was only his sixth. But yeah, I think it was his 7th season. 

[TurianRebel212]

Like I said, I've never seen so much love and hype for such a loser before. He has a losing record in the NBA finals, has never 3-peated and needed a trade and two other superstars to win a ring, lol. 

 

 

Jordan 3-peated.... Twice, lol. 

 

Kobe 3-peated. 

 

Nuff said. 

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

wow the Thunder are done, Wastbrook is out for a month, Durant is out, no Jackson, no Lamb....i cant see them scoring more than 60 a game until december

[Aimi]

It was rhetorical. My point was that dude kept at it. There are some cases where leaving for a ring is acceptable like KG and the Timberwolves. But Lebron was overrated as God's gift to ballin'. The trade just left a bad taste in my mouth.

 
Why is what happened in 2008 with the Gasol and Garnett hijackings any better than LeBron exercising his right to free agency and choosing what team he wants to sign with? Why do those players get a pass for wanting to play on teams with decent players, but LeBron doesn't?
 

Like I said, I've never seen so much love and hype for such a loser before. He has a losing record in the NBA finals, has never 3-peated and needed a trade and two other superstars to win a ring, lol. 
 
 
Jordan 3-peated.... Twice, lol. 
 
Kobe 3-peated. 
 
Nuff said.

 
LeBron gets love and hype because he is one of the most amazing basketball players ever.

Losing in the NBA Finals is not exactly a blot on one's career resume. Chamberlain had a losing record in the Finals, and never even won back-to-back titles.

Basketball is, as emphasized by every crotchety old white commentator, a team sport; no one individual player can win games entirely by himself. Every superstar needs help from stars and quality wingmen. Kareem needed Oscar, Magic, and Worthy. Russell needed Cousy, Sharman, Jones, and Havlicek. Wilt needed Greer, West, and Goodrich. Bird needed McHale, Parish, Ainge, and Walton. Jordan needed Pippen, Grant, Kerr, and Rodman. Kobe needed Shaq, Horry, Gasol, and Bynum.

Most of those players could rely on their GMs to surround them with quality second, third, and fourth bananas. LeBron's teams in Cleveland, though, were total crap and did not get significantly better as time went on. He played with a grand total of two All-Stars ever: Zydrunas Ilgauskas (2005) and Mo Williams (2009), both of which were reserve choices in a crappy Eastern Conference. On his final Cavs teams, Bron's best teammate was Williams, who is nobody's idea of a Pippen-level wingman; he also had Shaq (decrepit), Varejao (constantly injured), and Jamison (way past his prime). I wouldn't want to stay stuck on godawful teams led by incompetent GMs with no chance for improvement. Neither did a lot of those other players I mentioned. Wilt forced multiple trades in his prime. Kobe leveraged Shaq out of Los Angeles, then was ready to bail on the Lakers again in 2008 before the Gasol trade; he's had enormous personal influence in the Lakers front office ever since. Kareem helped force his way off the Bucks. Even Jordan effectively blackmailed the Bulls leadership into making roster and coaching decisions, as chronicled in The Jordan Rules; it was only in 1990 and 1991 that those moves finally paid off.

This isn't to say that it was wrong for any of these past superstars to do this! Of course not. Again: you play to win the game, and you need a good team to win the game, and you need more than one good player to have a good team. Players who want to chase rings ought to use their leverage to try to play on good teams. It'd be stupid not to, and more importantly, if players didn't do this it'd put all the power in the hands of front offices and team owners. Which is also stupid.

Focusing on RINGZZZ as the sole validation of player success is stupid. They're important, obviously; you can't win the title with a bad team, and almost every single NBA superstar in history has at least one championship under his belt. But chasing a title is too dependent on the other players on the team, and too dependent on luck, to be the only criterion for quality. LeBron didn't lose in three Finals because he was terrible; he played extraordinarily well in all of them, but he's just one guy.
 

wow the Thunder are done, Wastbrook is out for a month, Durant is out, no Jackson, no Lamb....i cant see them scoring more than 60 a game until december

The West just got an tiny bit more wide open. And a tiny bit worse. The Thunder went from must-see TV to an unwatchable brickfest, and nobody wins when that happens.

(Except Seattle basketball fans.)