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Yeah but nobody named him MVP. He is what he is  - a great defensive player who can dunk. :)

 

If yopu are gonna be MVP you should be the best player who does EVERYTHING.   The Warriors a re a great team and I guess b/c they won 67 games someone onn them had to win it.

 

But, James is a literal team change as evidenced by his going from CLE to MIA and back.

 

Curry is great at one thing that makes him stand out - his 3 point shooting. Yeha, he can steal the ball and pass decently but  he isn't aces. James  is pretty much awesome. He can control games even when shooting poorly. No way that Curry can do so.

 

That said, I am glad that Curry is  alright after that nasty fall.  Time for him to end Houston so we can get ready for GS to win the series in 5 games so people can claim it is 'proof' that he is better than James. L0L Even though it'll be because GS is way better than CLe espicially with all of Cavs' injuries. This SHOULD be a repeat of last year's finals. James doing his thing but simply not being able to carry his team against a clearly superior opponent.



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Welp, Atlanta is done like dinner. All in all, a disappointing series. But an underrated performance by Coach Blatt. He's done a lot to get Cleveland working defensively.

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I've been telling people at work that the Hawks were an aberration, a total fluke occurrence caused by the lack of talent in the east and the Hawks just slipped into power void the Cavs didn't fill till they got the team in ship shape. Who wants to bet that Atlanta misses the playoffs next year?


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Welp, Atlanta is done like dinner. All in all, a disappointing series. But an underrated performance by Coach Blatt. He's done a lot to get Cleveland working defensively.

 
Yeah, Blatt's had an extremely good showing this postseason. I think Ty Lue has also been a big part of it. To a lot of basketball insiders, the Cavs coaching staff has spent the playoffs dispelling a lot of the "well it's just LeBron" talk from late in the regular season.
 

I've been telling people at work that the Hawks were an aberration, a total fluke occurrence caused by the lack of talent in the east and the Hawks just slipped into power void the Cavs didn't fill till they got the team in ship shape. Who wants to bet that Atlanta misses the playoffs next year?


Nah. The Hawks are a good team, they just had a couple of problems.

The biggest issue is that Budenholzer is an excellent system coach - great at training up his guys to execute in a certain way. He created an extremely good, beautiful offense during the regular season. That's got value; it's got a lot of value. You don't stumble into the 1 seed in an entire conference by accident. That win streak wasn't an accident either. But you don't need to be a good in-game tactician in the regular season, when everybody plays everybody and few teams have the ability to develop specific game plans for specific opponents. In the playoffs, on the other hand, any potential weakness is ruthlessly exposed by opposing scouts, assistants, and coaches. Teams live and die by in-series and in-game adjustments. The Cavs were able to adjust their game plan appropriately to the Hawks, and the Hawks weren't able to do the same to the Cavs.

That doesn't undervalue the system that the Hawks built, nor does it undervalue the players that they have. Korver, Carroll, Teague, Millsap, and Horford are a fantastic starting five, and used properly they can tear up more or less any defense. They just needed to adjust to the Cavs better.

There was also a fair amount of luck involved in the Cavs wins. LeBron's post-up game was remarkable for a number of reasons: 1. nobody else in the league could have executed it at the level he did with the Hawks banging with him down low every play, 2. he was utterly exhausted by it (remember how Game 3 ended?) and played great anyway, and 3. when he kicked out to his teammates, they were unusually efficient at converting their threes. Smith, Delly, and Shump weren't exactly lights-out, but they were reasonably close, and that's a lot better at three-shooting than they'd been for most of the season (or their careers, frankly). On the other side of the ball, the Hawks simply could not convert open three-point looks. For the series, they shot, like, 30% from 3 with no defenders within 4 feet. That's ridiculous, and it's nothing like the way they performed for most of the season (to put it lightly).

And finally, the Hawks bench was atrocious. The playoffs are where that stuff gets exposed; the Clippers were an even more egregious example, but the Hawks weren't far off. When the likes of Kent Bazemore are playing big minutes in the Eastern Finals, something's wrong. Most of the fault for that lies with Atlanta's front office (although putting together that starting five was impressive so you kind of have to give them a bit of a pass), but a significant amount lies with other people. Like the NYPD, who broke Thabo Sefolosha's leg. No big deal, he was just their only decent bench player, a valuable three-and-D contributor who'd seen lots of playoff minutes with the Thunder. Who else was there? Schröder was a horrendous shooter and indifferent on defense, Antic couldn't defend anybody in the post (or post up himself) which got badly exposed by LeBron, and...Mike Scott? Shelvin Mack? Mike Muscala? Really?

Anyway, all that stuff is fixable. I'd be surprised if these Hawks completely fell apart next year, especially in this tire fire of an Eastern Conference. Something really bizarre would have to happen.
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Yeah but nobody named him MVP. He is what he is  - a great defensive player who can dunk. :)

 

If yopu are gonna be MVP you should be the best player who does EVERYTHING.   The Warriors a re a great team and I guess b/c they won 67 games someone onn them had to win it.

 

But, James is a literal team change as evidenced by his going from CLE to MIA and back.

 

Curry is great at one thing that makes him stand out - his 3 point shooting. Yeha, he can steal the ball and pass decently but  he isn't aces. James  is pretty much awesome. He can control games even when shooting poorly. No way that Curry can do so.

 

That said, I am glad that Curry is  alright after that nasty fall.  Time for him to end Houston so we can get ready for GS to win the series in 5 games so people can claim it is 'proof' that he is better than James. L0L Even though it'll be because GS is way better than CLe espicially with all of Cavs' injuries. This SHOULD be a repeat of last year's finals. James doing his thing but simply not being able to carry his team against a clearly superior opponent.

You sound kind of salty tho.


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To expand on that bit about poor Pero Antic...

Antic is a kind of player that got a lot of press for having great value in the last few years. People pointed to Antic and Matt Bonner and other "stretch 4s" as serious threats in the era of pace-and-space; they were big guys who could shoot from 3 and stretch the floor. This was cutting-edge stuff; Bonner helped eviscerate the Heat on the way to the title just last year. But now, the stretch 4s can't buy their way onto the court. Bonner was virtually invisible in that immortal Clips-Spurs series in Round 1, and Antic didn't have much playing time either in the Hawks' various series. What gives?

The problem with a big that can shoot 3s is that you don't actually need your own big man to defend him on the three point arc. You want a player that can close out quickly and jump. Bonner could get separation from the likes of Andersen, Haslem, and Bosh because the Miami bigs couldn't get drawn too far away from the paint. But switch a smaller wing onto Bonner and he can't shoot at all. Teams with aggressively switching defenses effectively contain the shooting stretch 4.

Now, normally a big man guarded by a wing would just put down his shoulder and post up. Most of these stretch 4s can't do that, though. It's a rare to find shooting ability and post-up skill in the same guy, especially now that the back-to-the-basket game is deprecated in most of the NBA and AAU anyway. The few that have that ability have been able to leverage it extensively in the postseason. Switch a smaller wing onto Draymond Green beyond the arc, and he'll bully his way to the paint for an easy two points, or force the defender to call for help, leaving a shooter open from three. That's what LeBron did in the Hawks series too, although LeBron doesn't operate by the same rules as the rest of us humans.

Zach Lowe at Grantland goes over the idea in considerably greater detail here, because he's an actual genius.

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It's doesn't take a lot of brain power to know that superior talent on one team can usually beat a lesser team that gimmicks off of "team scheme".



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Well this is awkward... I like both of these teams.

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It's doesn't take a lot of brain power to know that superior talent on one team can usually beat a lesser team that gimmicks off of "team scheme".

the Spurs say hello



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But, James is a literal team change as evidenced by his going from CLE to MIA and back.

no, he's a ****** that runs away when things get hard, and since he's not under contract for next year he'll run away from the Cavs immediately after they get blasted in the finals

 

 

 

Well this is awkward... I like both of these teams.

 

and i hate both of them :D



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the Spurs say hello

 

I'm not sure the Spurs were inferior talent-wise. Even if age caught up with them, they had an incredible amount of talent and skill. After all, before they beat the Heat last time they were 3 times champions with largely the same core (the Drobb/Duncan team was pretty different, I think - it was pre at least one of Manu/Parker I think?). Plus Leonard is a pretty great player on D and solid on O, combined with Duncan who can still occasionally turn it on...

 

The corpse of Wade, Bosh and prime Lebron + scrubs isn't IMO overwhelmingly more talented. 



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The Spurs were as talented if not more so than MIA. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being blinded by Lebron. he's one player. It's a miracle MIA beat SA the first time.



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Anyone that thinks Atlanta is going to fall apart next season probably doesn't understand how truly awful the east is. As for Lebron possibly leaving, I have a theory that this was all an elaborate revenge plot. Not only because of the one year deal but also because he basically forced them to trade Wiggins for Love. Which if they don't already regret I think they will pretty soon. 


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Anyone that thinks Atlanta is going to fall apart next season probably doesn't understand how truly awful the east is. As for Lebron possibly leaving, I have a theory that this was all an elaborate revenge plot. Not only because of the one year deal but also because he basically forced them to trade Wiggins for Love. Which if they don't already regret I think they will pretty soon. 

I don't know why I'm laughing at this right now. Too funny.


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Welp, Atlanta is done like dinner. All in all, a disappointing series. But an underrated performance by Coach Blatt. He's done a lot to get Cleveland working defensively.

Well Blatt did call a timeout when they had no timeouts, fortunately it wasn't caught by the refs. When you got a player like Lebron, it can make you look like a great coach.



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Cavs and Warriors in the Finals... if you had told me that was possible four years ago, I would have laughed.

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LeBron scores 40 points but goes cold and still loses in OT...



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LeBron scores 40 points but goes cold and still loses in OT...


it wasn't just him that went cold the entire team went cold. Regardless good game 1. Hopefully Irving isn't hurt to bad..

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Not really relevant to Warriors vs Cavs, but watching the opening of the game (uncommon for me) I had a nostalgia.



Hah, the CG is so dated though.

That Ray Clay sounded like he just replaced his blood with cocaine for these intros.

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I missed the game. I should've really looked up a schedule or something.



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Warriors sweep is my prediction, Steph Curry is so fun to watch and Kerr has kept the team healthy all season. What is Kevin Love up to anyways?



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I hope Kyrie isn't out for good. That was a great Game 1 (up to the final few ISO shots by Lebron, anyway). 

 

Well Blatt did call a timeout when they had no timeouts, fortunately it wasn't caught by the refs. When you got a player like Lebron, it can make you look like a great coach.

That was just strange, and his response (coaching is super important! fighter pilots!) was silly. But the Cavs defence has been phenomenal in the playoffs and they'e adjusted well to each team. Even now in the Finals despite OT they played the Warriors really well. 



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Kyrie's out the rest of the finals......

 

http://www.nba.com/2...p.ap/index.html



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Kyrie's out the rest of the finals......

 

http://www.nba.com/2...p.ap/index.html

 

Look at it this way: if the Cleveland Lebron James can win, Lebron will be getting a gold-plated marble statute outside the arena instead of the regular kind. 



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OMG The CAVS have won a game in the NBA Finals!!!!!!!!