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[Sifr]

That was an oversight on Bioware's part that we later fixed for them. There is no reason why a city elf shouldn't have been able to marry Alistair.

 

There's a ton of reasons why it was kept off the table, from petty racism against elves, Alistair's claim on the throne already being shaky as it is due to his illegitimacy, that any offspring would be Elf-blooded (even though Alistair might already be one, I doubt anyone would advise him to admit it) and a host of other reasons.

 

It's the same for why Empress Celene maintains the illusion of being single and (obstensively) straight, as the possibility of her being wed to a noble or another head of state allows her to play the nobility against themselves in an attempt to curry her favour. Heck, if turns out she's actually a lesbian, look how easily she managed to con Cailan into wanting to ditch Anora to marry her and hand Ferelden over to Orlais on a platter?

 

Medieval politics was built of stuff like this and you didn't jeopardise your power by marrying someone that the masses would deem "undesirable".

 

Take a look at a look at a Mage Warden for an example of how a Mage can save Thedas from the Blight, yet does anyone in DA2 treat mages any differently? Similarly, just because an Elf ended the Fifth Blight, doesn't mean that anyone will start accepting Elves as more than second-class citizens... otherwise, they would have when the elven Warden, Garahel ended the Fourth Blight?

 

One of my favourite Wardens is a Dalish Mage, which is consider a legitimate choice by both DAO and DA2.  Doesn't stop the fact that I have to make her a rogue in the Keep (something I accepted way back when the Keep was first announced.)

 

Except mods aren't really that much of a legitimate choice, since it's deliberately cheats the game to allow them to occur.

 

Not to say that a Dalish Mage wouldn't have been cool. It would have also made sense since we're told that Mahariel's father was the former Keeper of the tribe, so the possibility of magic being passed to them wasn't that out of the question. Of course, this would also raise the question of why Marethari's clan ended up with so many mages, when you factor in Marethari, Merrill and Merrill's unseen replacement in DA2?

[Saturamas]

Thing is, Fool's Gold is Act II and Finding Nathaniel is Act III.

 

It's always really confused me as to why these quests are mutually exclusive.  I did honestly believe it was a bug in DA2 that prevented both quests from working, but I guess I was wrong.

 

Fool's Gold would pop up if Nathaniel died at the end of Awakening,while HIS quest would pop up if he was alive.Now me and a bunch of other people had a bug where Nathaniel lives at the end of Awakening but in DA2 it registered him dead,ergo giving us the Fool's Gold quest.Maybe you had a similar issue?

[The Elder King]

Alistair actually didn't know in DAO that he was elf-blooded.

[Illyria]

 

Except mods aren't really that much of a legitimate choice, since it's deliberately cheats the game to allow them to occur.

 

Not to say that a Dalish Mage wouldn't have been cool. It would have also made sense since we're told that Mahariel's father was the former Keeper of the tribe, so the possibility of magic being passed to them wasn't that out of the question. Of course, this would also raise the question of why Marethari's clan ended up with so many mages, when you factor in Marethari, Merrill and Merrill's unseen replacement in DA2?

 

Don't worry, I'm aware of all that.  I was using it as an example of how just because something can be done by using mods (and even makes sense within the lore and accepted in a save transfer from DAO to DA2) doesn't mean that Bioware should be in any way expected to cater to those who modded the game.  It doesn't stop my Dalish mage from being one of my favourite Wardens, though.  Personally, I'm a big believer in 'what the writer says is more important than what the fans want'.  They want Morrigan and Cassandra to be straight, the mage class tied to the mage origin or only let humans sit on the throne then the players should accept that, and use our modded worldstates as playable fanfiction.  Sorry if my original post didn't make that clear.  Sometimes I forget that tone can't really be expressed in text.

[Illyria]

Fool's Gold would pop up if Nathaniel died at the end of Awakening,while HIS quest would pop up if he was alive.Now me and a bunch of other people had a bug where Nathaniel lives at the end of Awakening but in DA2 it registered him dead,ergo giving us the Fool's Gold quest.Maybe you had a similar issue?

 

I had that bug the first time I played it (since I left Nate at the keep while I saved the city) and it really confused me as to why I didn't then get Finding Nathaniel.  I later found out about the bug and went back and altered my Awakening choices to have Nate recognised as being alive.  It still really confuses me as to why the quests are mutually exclusive, and even flagged that way in DA Keep.  There's nothing in either of them that seems like it would prevent you from doing the other.

[frankf43]

I just set up a world state where Alistair was King, had the OGB and slayed the Archdemon. everything was fine until I had him slay the demon. Then it said he could no longer be King or have the OGB? 

 

Surely the only way Alistair can survive slaying the Archdemon is if he has the OGB? Then shouldn't he be able to be King?

[Evamitchelle]

I just set up a world state where Alistair was King, had the OGB and slayed the Archdemon. everything was fine until I had him slay the demon. Then it said he could no longer be King or have the OGB? 

 

Surely the only way Alistair can survive slaying the Archdemon is if he has the OGB? Then shouldn't he be able to be King?

 

If you did the ritual with Morrigan then the Warden will always take the final blow. So in your scenario Alistair can't slay the Archdemon himself. 

[frankf43]

Huge problem!

 

My warden was a female city elf who married an Alistair that became the king of Ferelden. We had Alistair do the nasty with Morrigan so that we could both live. But the Keep isn't letting me create this world state.

 

No I've got the same problem. It's saying that if he killed the demon he can't be King or have the OGB.

[Evamitchelle]

No I've got the same problem. It's saying that if he killed the demon he can't be King or have the OGB.

 

That's because Alistair cannot kill the Archdemon if you had the OGB. Only the Warden can.

[The Elder King]

No I've got the same problem. It's saying that if he killed the demon he can't be King or have the OGB.

Again, if you do The DR you don't have a choice in killing Urthemiel. The Warden does it.
Shahadem's problem is based on The fact The games don't support a CE being queen.

[frankf43]

If you did the ritual with Morrigan then the Warden will always take the final blow. So in your scenario Alistair can't slay the Archdemon himself. 

Did a state with a female warden. Alistair did the ritual and killed the demon and became king. It will let me have Alistair as king and him doing the ritual fine but as soon as I add him killing the Archdemon it says he can't be king or have the OGB.

[frankf43]

That's because Alistair cannot kill the Archdemon if you had the OGB. Only the Warden can.

I didn't have the OGB Alistair did.

[Illyria]

No I've got the same problem. It's saying that if he killed the demon he can't be King or have the OGB.

 

The 'final blow' choice refers to who is seen in the cutscene killing the archdemon.  If you picked the Dark Ritual option in game you will never get the option to decide who makes that final blow -  the Warden will always do it herself.  The only way to get the option of having Alistair or Loghain doing the final blow is to refuse the ritual.  The Keep is simply reflecting the choice that you get in game.

[Evamitchelle]

Did a state with a female warden. Alistair did the ritual and killed the demon and became king. It will let me have Alistair as king and him doing the ritual fine but as soon as I add him killing the Archdemon it says he can't be king or have the OGB.

 

Alistair can't kill the Archdemon if you had the OGB. If you stop trying to make it happen the Keep will stop telling you that Alistair can't be king. 

[The Elder King]

I didn't have the OGB Alistair did.

Irrelevant. The Warden killed The archdemon anyway.

[Saiphas85]

Frank, there was a bug in origins, if you performed the DR the only cinematic that was supposed to play was the GW slaying the archdemon. Unfortunately it was bugged and showed Alastair slaying it. According to the keep,,the slay choice is representibg the killing blow (ie warden if US or DR, with the other options being either logain or Alastair firing being the other option).

[frankf43]

Irrelevant. The Warden killed The archdemon anyway.

Then doesn't the warden die? I thought that If Alistair did the ritual then he would have to kill the demon for them both to survive? Alistair doing the ritual, the Warden killing the AD and them both surviving makes no sense.

[The Elder King]

Then doesn't the warden die? I thought that If Alistair did the ritual then he would have to kill the demon for them both to survive? Alistair doing the ritual, the Warden killing the AD and them both surviving makes no sense.

Nope. The DR makes possible for every Warden to kill The archdemon without dying. Who The father is, is irrelevant. The archdemon's soul transfer to The baby Regardless of who kills it.

[Evamitchelle]

Then doesn't the warden die? I thought that If Alistair did the ritual then he would have to kill the demon for them both to survive? Alistair doing the ritual, the Warden killing the AD and them both surviving makes no sense.

 

No. If Alistair, or Loghain, or the Warden does the ritual with Morrigan, then the Warden will always be the one to take the final blow. Since killing the Archdemon no longer destroys someone's soul but merely transfers it somewhere else, it doesn't matter who kills the Archdemon, and it then defaults to the Warden. 

[Fetunche]

A lot of my heroes never showed up, but a number of characters I never even made did. Also choices my heroes made were wrong and had to be edited. I was surprised how basic it is and how much was left out.

[frankf43]

Nope. The DR makes possible for every Warden to kill The archdemon without dying. Who The father is, is irrelevant. The archdemon's soul transfer to The baby Regardless of who kills it.

 

Fare enough. So not a bug then? I just think if he did the ritual, against his will I might add he should at least have the glory of killing the archdemon.

[Illyria]

Then doesn't the warden die? I thought that If Alistair did the ritual then he would have to kill the demon for them both to survive? Alistair doing the ritual, the Warden killing the AD and them both surviving makes no sense.

 

The father is irrelevant the moment the sex part of the ritual is done.  Morrigan is the important one, since the OGB now exists in her, and she doesn't even need to be present in the final battle for the soul transfer to work.

[The Elder King]

Fare enough. So not a bug then? I just think if he did the ritual, against his will I might he should at least have the glory of killing the archdemon.

Yup, not a bug.

[Evamitchelle]

A lot of my heroes never showed up, but a number of characters I never even made did. Also choices my heroes made were wrong and had to be edited. I was surprised how basic it is and how much was left out.

 

The Keep does not import your choices, as it is said at the top of the Tapestry. 

[frankf43]

A lot of my heroes never showed up, but a number of characters I never even made did. Also choices my heroes made were wrong and had to be edited. I was surprised how basic it is and how much was left out.

 

Check in your Origin Account. You have probably hit the cap for the amount of data you can use on game saves. The other Heroes are default heroes.