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Deadpool:

Do you think comic Deadpool and movie Deadpool will be aware of each others existence?

 

I think Deadpool would probably be aware of himself in another medium and make a joke about it. It'd be even funnier if in the movie, he interacted with his comic self at some point?

 

But what a Deadpool movie definitely needs is a gag about X-Men Origins: Wolverine, suggesting that Deadpool wrote the script and sold it to movie executives, simply to make money and epically troll Wolverine at the same time.

 

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I'm sad now knowing that the film version of Deadpool won't be competing with the film version of Thanos for the affections of Death. :(


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I'm sad now knowing that the film version of Deadpool won't be competing with the film version of Thanos for the affections of Death. :(

He could still compete with Dracula for Shiklah.
So that's something.

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Excuse me? Do I go to your thread and bad mouth it?
No I don't. Grow up.

 

Nah too much fun. And enjoy your Pinocchio reboot. Marvel/Disney are running out of ideas.

 

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Nah too much fun. And enjoy your Pinocchio reboot. Marvel/Disney are running out of ideas.

 

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Zing! Ouch...



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There was once a dream that was a Marvel Omni-thread. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... it was so fragile. And I fear that it will not survive the winter.

 

It shall be realized! These are the wishes of Fast Jimmy.

 

 

 

Is Marvel worth one good thread's life? We believed it once. Make us believe it again.
 

Who will help me carry it?


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There was once a dream that was a Marvel Omni-thread. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... it was so fragile. And I fear that it will not survive the winter.

 

It shall be realized! These are the wishes of Fast Jimmy.

 

 

 

Is Marvel worth one good thread's life? We believed it once. Make us believe it again.
 

Who will help me carry it?

 

I'd say it's the other way around Jimmy Aurelius. The other company can't catch a break from the frothing fanboys on the internet. Granted Marvel has a financially successful cinematic U, but why are people so forgiving of their mediocrity yet so judgmental of the other company even if it's cinematic universe is in it's conceptual stage? I don't understand the hate DC gets these days, especially when they're aiming at making films that entertains as well challenges the audience with philosophical questions.



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I'd say it's the other way around Jimmy Aurelius. The other company can't catch a break from the frothing fanboys on the internet. Granted Marvel has a financially successful cinematic U, but why are people so forgiving of their mediocrity yet so judgmental of the other company even if it's cinematic universe is in it's conceptual stage? I don't understand the hate DC gets these days, especially when they're aiming at making films that entertains as well challenges the audience with philosophical questions.

I'm mostly worried about DC going in a direction I won't like. It's connected to my own problems with BvS sounding like a big love letter to Frank Miller, who as you all know I think is a Racist, Sexist, PoS who can't draw nor has been able to write since Sin City. So his Biased work (Dark Knight Returns. Good Batman book. Godawful interpretation of Superman, and let's not even touch on the sequel) having an animated and pretty much live-action adaptations to feed his tremendous ego is a terrible, terrible thing.

I want Worlds Finest. Not "Remember the man who beat you".

Because again Frank Miller is a vile man.

 

But hey, Wonder Womans Solo film being set in the 20s sounds like a really cool idea. So they have my interest again.

 

There was once a dream that was a Marvel Omni-thread. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... it was so fragile. And I fear that it will not survive the winter.

 

It shall be realized! These are the wishes of Fast Jimmy.

 

 

 

Is Marvel worth one good thread's life? We believed it once. Make us believe it again.
 

Who will help me carry it?

Well I did spend like an hour making that OP. So I'll keep trying to carry it.



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I'd say it's the other way around Jimmy Aurelius. The other company can't catch a break from the frothing fanboys on the internet. Granted Marvel has a financially successful cinematic U, but why are people so forgiving of their mediocrity yet so judgmental of the other company even if it's cinematic universe is in it's conceptual stage? I don't understand the hate DC gets these days, especially when they're aiming at making films that entertains as well challenges the audience with philosophical questions.

 

Ah. I meant only that having one Marvel thread (as opposed to a new Marvel thread every couple months as a new trailer comes out) would be a bold idea. We've now seen it with the original Avengers, Iron Man 3, Thor 2, Winter Soldier, Guardians... instead of threads that rise and fall with each movie (or even trailer) release, one Master Thread would be a nifty gil-ifty idea.



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Kinda follows tradition.

Marvel didn't really get its start until they asked Stan Lee to make a team book to capitalize on the success DC was enjoying at the time.

 

So this thread now has similar history to the actual company.



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I agree with everything you said about Miller (especially Supes in TDKR), but why let his social views stop you from enjoying his work? If that were the case for me I wouldn't touch the Dragon Age series with a ten foot pole.

 

Your worry is unfounded. B v S is taking inspiration from TDKR it's not adapting it. As you know TDKR happens towards the ass end of their careers whereas B v S is the beginning of the League. Can't have a League if Supes and Bats kill each other. Kingdom Come would be a much better (however difficult) story to adapt to film.

 

Either way Alan Moore's Batman is better.



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BSN Avengers, Assemble!!!!

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BSN Avengers, Assemble!!!!

 

And who might be those? :D



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I'm mostly worried about DC going in a direction I won't like. It's connected to my own problems with BvS sounding like a big love letter to Frank Miller, who as you all know I think is a Racist, Sexist, PoS who can't draw nor has been able to write since Sin City. So his Biased work (Dark Knight Returns. Good Batman book. Godawful interpretation of Superman, and let's not even touch on the sequel) having an animated and pretty much live-action adaptations to feed his tremendous ego is a terrible, terrible thing.

I want Worlds Finest. Not "Remember the man who beat you".

Because again Frank Miller is a vile man.

 

But hey, Wonder Womans Solo film being set in the 20s sounds like a really cool idea. So they have my interest again.

 

DC's got two problems. 

 

One - Batman and Superman are recently rebooted. Yes, Brandon Routh's Superman was from 2007, but that's a blink of an eye for Hollywood. And Dark Knight Rises is still fresh enough to see new Kitty Bane memes appear - to reintroduce both of these characters risks audience fatigue. I think the case could be made that this is why the new Spiderman's are being eyed by Sony as a failed project.

 

Two - they are a normal movie studio. They have to take time to consider projects, line up schedules, gear up production, fire up marketing... they are exactly like every other film studio in Hollywood. That is not to their fault... until you compare them to Marvel, who has a constant production studio, a film timeline that is unheard of in any other point in history and a bevy of talent in the form of actors, producers, writers and directors chomping at the bit to be in their films.

 

One can be counteracted by good material. Two can only be changed with monumental investments of resources and money, both of which Marvel has earned starting with Iron Man and continuing into Guardians - the studio has taken its success and built something the movie industry has never dreamed of, let alone achieved. If DC thinks they can compete with that just because they both deal with superheroes, they are sorely mistaken. DC isn't bad, in terms of source material or movie quality... but if they want to crank out a billion dollar movie franchise overnight, it just doesn't work like that. Marvel had six movies in the MCU before the Avengers broke the concept of movie design. DC wants to come out and make that success in two or three movies, just by linking characters. 

 

Its a gradual process to build a cinematic universe. And it has to be built on characters and stories that people have proven they want to see. DC isn't there yet... which isn't a problem, as they could get there. But if their definition of success or failure is compared to that of Marvel right now, then they are setting themselves up for the worst kind of failure - one of their own perception and making.



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I agree with everything you said about Miller (especially Supes in TDKR), but why let his social views stop you from enjoying his work? If that were the case for me I wouldn't touch the Dragon Age series with a ten foot pole.

It's like Orson Scott Card (Who is also a vile man) and why I can't like the Enders Game books anymore, it just poisoned the work in my eyes :(



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One thing I'm looking forward to seeing an explanation on is the Infinity Stones themselves. Those familiar with the comics know that the Infinity Gems (as they are called in the comics) are very separate from items like the Tessaract, so it is interesting to see the movies blur the lines a little.

 

There are six Infinity stones/gems: Space, Time, Reality, Power, Mind and Soul. Each stone has immense power by itself and is able to allow the user to manipulate the nature of the stone. For instance, if one were to hold the Time stone, you could manipulate time freely; if you held the Mind stone, you could read or control others thoughts.

 

When the Tessaract/Cosmic Cube was first presented, it was more in line with its comic book form - an object that worked as a gateway to another part of the universe that had limitless power. However, this role changed (or perhaps was merely just revealed as part of the "grand plan") as the movies went on to actually be an Infinity stone. It has been confirmed that it is the Space stone, since it has been shown to allow instant teleportation across the entire galaxy (Red Skull sucked up into space at the end of Cap 1, Loki brought to Earth - and later the entirety of the Chitauri army - in Avengers). 

 

The second stone we find is the Aether from Thor 2, which has the power (apparently) to turn the galaxy back from one of light to one of darkness. One may think that this is the Reality stone, but I have my doubts (explained below). Instead, I think it is the Time stone - as it was being used by the Dark Elves to turn back the clock on the galaxy itself to resemble the time before suns grew hot and bright and, instead, were dark. 

 

The third is in Guardians and is the first stone introduced as just that - an Infinity stone. It was also revealed to be (appropriately) the Power stone. Given that Ronan was made to be much more powerful just to be in possession of the stone, this isn't any sort of stretch.

 

This still leaves three other stones - Mind, Reality and Soul.

 

The Mind stone is the most discussed one so far, simply because many fans think we have already seen it. The scepter possessed by Loki during Avengers gave him the ability to take control of the mind of anyone he came in contact with (barring Tony Stark and his "metal heart"). However, this is also very tricky. It is said that the scepter is powered by the Cosmic Cube in Avengers, one of the main plot points about how the scepter is used to close the portal of invading aliens. It may be a situation where the scepter was able to pierce the barrier around the Tessaracht because both used the power of the Infinity stones... but this is still questionable given the line about how the scepter itself is powered by the Cube. If the scepter has a stone as its power source, why would it need another stone to further power it? Also, why would Thanos, who wants to gather the Stones for his own purposes, rent one out to Loki? I suppose it is possible that Thanos saw the risk of lending out one stone to gain two (not just the Cosmic Cube, but also the Aether which was hidden on Earth and which Thanos may or may not have known about). Regardless - the scepter will play into Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's origin, so we may find out in Ultron if the scepter is a stone. If it is, it would seem to reason that it is the Mind stone.

 

The Reality stone is one I haven't seen much discussion on, but one I think is the most obvious. Given that the MCU has already taken one powerful artifact (the Cosmic Cube) and turned it into an Infinity Stone, I don't see why they would have any problem doing it again. In that light, I think we will see the Eye of Agamotto, one of the main mystical power sources of Dr. Strange, turn out to be the Reality stone. After all, the Dr. Strange movie is going to be all about traveling to different realities and planes of existence which would make perfect sense to have the owner of the Realty stone do. This will help lighten some of the "magic" aspects of Dr. Strange and, instead, give it a sci-fi twist which seems to be the prevailing theme of the MCU. 

 

 

Lastly, this takes us to the Soul stone. Which, as many comic book fans know, is owned by the powerful Warlock. Warlock has been seen in the MCU (in a manner of speaking) and one can only assume where he goes, the Soul stone will follow. We first "see" Warlock in the Thor 2 credits scene in the workshop of the Collector. Warlock is known for forming and staying in a yellow cocoon when he sustains damage or needs to rest. 

 

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The great thing about this is that we see the same cocoon again in Guardians in The Collector's shop. In a "waste of time" credits scene, where Howard the Duck (a legitimate Marvel comic book character) is seen drinking and quipping, there is also HUGE hidden revelation... the blast that destroyed the Collector's workshop in Guardians has ALSO opened the cocoon of Warlock.

 

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This means Warlock is out and about and likely either in possession of the Soul stone or going to come in contact with it in the very near future. This may likely be the plot of the Guardians movie coming out in 2017 (close to the Infinity War release in 2019).

 

So there you go - the six Infinity stones and where they can be found (sort of... not really). Discuss away.



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Can I be the Agent Coulson of the BSN?? I have the hairdo already...

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I don't think the Aether is the Time Gem, Jimmy. I feel that we would have seen a more pronounced effect if that was the case, like Jane Foster or Thor being rapidly aged or de-aged by Malekith once he had possession of it.

Also, it appears that Loki's Staff is now indeed the mind gem, as it was shown with the Tesseract, the Aether, and the Orb in the Infinity War teaser at the Marvel Studios Phase Three Press Conference.

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I don't think the Aether is the Time Gem, Jimmy. I feel that we would have seen a more pronounced effect if that was the case, like Jane Foster or Thor being rapidly aged or de-aged by Malekith once he had possession of it.

Also, it appears that Loki's Staff is now indeed the mind gem, as it was shown with the Tesseract, the Aether, and the Orb in the Infinity War teaser at the Marvel Studios Phase Three Press Conference.

 

Ah, good. I still have minor quibbles about why Thanos would just hand it out, or the lines about the scepter being powered by the Cube and not the equally-powerful-Infinity-stone-inside, but those are tiny. It makes sense and the way they are re-featuring the staff for AoU makes this quite interesting.

 

The Aether certainly was not the Soul stone, so this really only leaves Reality or Time. I'm not saying it COULDN'T be the Reality stone, but I am strongly on the mindset that the Reality stone will be used by Dr. Strange, so I'm not sure how he would obtain that from the Collector.



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I figured the Soul Gem would be the focus of Dr. Strange. Well, they could make it so that his film has BOTH the Reality and the Soul Gems show up, now that we know that The Avengers featured both the Space Gem and the Mind Gem.

In any case, we'll know more for sure when they reveal the last two gems.

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I figured the Soul Gem would be the focus of Dr. Strange. Well, they could make it so that his film has BOTH the Reality and the Soul Gems show up, now that we know that The Avengers featured both the Space Gem and the Mind Gem.

In any case, we'll know more for sure when they reveal the last two gems.

 

What? Who wants to wait until they actually TELL us.  :D



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What? Who wants to wait until they actually TELL us.  :D


Well, Loki's Staff being an Infinity Gem was ambiguous until recently.  :P



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I still bet Thor Ragnarok is about Thanos destroying Asgard for the Infinity Gauntlet, and to rip Loki in half for failing in Avengers.



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I still bet Thor Ragnarok is about Thanos destroying Asgard for the Infinity Gauntlet, and to rip Loki in half for failing in Avengers.


From what I hear, Loki will have a key role in at least one of the Infinity War parts.

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Well, Loki's Staff being an Infinity Gem was ambiguous until recently.  :P

 

True.

 

Going back to the Reality stone, I think what may wind up happening is that they link Ant Man and Dr. Strange together. We know Ant Man will be a heist movie, where they are working to steal SOMETHING of extreme importance to saving the world. Why not have that be the Reality stone, to be given to Dr. Strange for "reasons?"

Why, I ask you - WHY?!!!