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[o Ventus]

 

What other movies are based on the Ultimate?

Actually, the first Avengers film is somewhat loosely based on Ultimate Avengers (or simply "The Ultimates"), what with the Chitauri invasion (though the way he Chitauri are handled in the movie differs greatly from how they are in the comic series), although Loki is the main villain of the plot, a la 616 Avengers. Aside from that, I don't think any other MCU film is really "based on" the Ultimate version of that character, as opposed to just borrowing elements from it.

[Aimi]

If these changes are as drastic as they sound, why in the f*** is this a Fantastic Four movie and not just a new IP?

Because the movie is being made so that they can keep the rights to the FF property. They don't want them to revert back to Disney, because it's a potentially useful bargaining chip (and also a nice FYGM middle finger). Plus, they expect even a poorly-made FF film to generate some cash. Rise of the Silver Surfer netted at least US$100M, and it was terrible. Same reasoning behind the endless Spider-Man reboots: they'll probably make at least some money, and they'll keep the rights out of Disney's hands for a few more years.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Then I agree about it being dumb and they should've either made Sue black or kept Johnny white

The bolded part however is just ridiculous

I'm honestly starting to think you and Slither are trolling because you two are the only one making a big deal over something stupid like this

No im not trolling. I don't troll. I'm dead serious. Leave the characters as they are. If someone made a movie and cast Blade or Storm or Psylocke or some other highly popular non white character as another ethnicity there'd be an epic dookie storm about it. Why should it be okay for one ethnic group to get crapped on and not another? No one should be getting crapped on at all.

In Wanted the Fox character was changed from black in the comics to white in the movie. As far as I know nobody gave a hoot because the series wasn't very well known in the first place. These werent well established characters with a decades long continuity and large knowledgable fanbase. But the FF? Come on man.

The Nick Fury in the movies is the alternate universe Fury and they went with him instead of the original 616 universe version because he was wildy popular. That kind of thing I don't have a problem with. But making color changes simply to put tokens in the film is ridiculous and it pisses me off because it feels like they're stepping all over the source material just to suit their marketing vision.

[AresKeith]

No im not trolling. I don't troll. I'm dead serious. Leave the characters as they are. If someone made a movie and cast Blade or Storm or Psylocke or some other highly popular non white character as another ethnicity there'd be an epic dookie storm about it. Why should it be okay for one ethnic group to get crapped on and not another? No one should be getting crapped on at all.

In Wanted the Fox character was changed from black in the comics to white in the movie. As far as I know nobody gave a hoot because the series wasn't very well known in the first place. These werent well established characters with a decades long continuity and large knowledgable fanbase. But the FF? Come on man.

The Nick Fury in the movies is the alternate universe Fury and they went with him instead of the original 616 universe version because he was wildy popular. That kind of thing I don't have a problem with. But making color changes simply to put tokens in the film is ridiculous and it pisses me off because it feels like they're stepping all over the source material just to suit their marketing vision.

 

Even though they aren't obligated to follow the source material in every single detail...

[o Ventus]

Because the movie is being made so that they can keep the rights to the FF property. They don't want them to revert back to Disney, because it's a potentially useful bargaining chip (and also a nice FYGM middle finger). Plus, they expect even a poorly-made FF film to generate some cash. Rise of the Silver Surfer netted at least US$100M, and it was terrible. Same reasoning behind the endless Spider-Man reboots: they'll probably make at least some money, and they'll keep the rights out of Disney's hands for a few more years.

 

Oh, I know the reason why Fox keeps doing it, I was being facetious when I said that earlier. I don't know about "useful bargaining chip" when not a single live-action adaptation of the Fantastic Four has ever been good in the history of cinema. I would also hardly say they expect the new F4 to generate much money at all. As a general rule, big-budget Hollywood movies need to make back around 3 times their budget in order to turn a profit and cover the costs of development and marketing. Rise of the Silver Surfer cost $130 million to make and only pulled back in $289 million worldwide, not even close to the 3 times rule.

 

Also, Marvel Studios has control of Spider-Man, at least for now. Sony has agreed to "share" him with Disney to introduce him into the MCU.

[o Ventus]

Even though they aren't obligated to follow the source material in every single detail...

Or any detail, if the leaks and promotional material are any indication.

[AresKeith]

Or any detail, if the leaks and promotional material are any indication.

 

It's almost like Michael Bay is doing the movie

[o Ventus]

It's almost like Michael Bay is doing the movie

At least his Ninja Turtles actually remained turtles, and his Transformers actually stayed on as Autobots and Decepticons. He at least pretends to be familiar with the source material.

[AresKeith]

At least his Ninja Turtles actually remained turtles, and his Transformers actually stayed on as Autobots and Decepticons. He at least pretends to be familiar with the source material.

 

Because people raged at his alien idea

 

Speaking of which, who is directing the new "FF" movie?

[Aimi]

Oh, I know the reason why Fox keeps doing it, I was being facetious when I said that earlier. I don't know about "useful bargaining chip" when not a single live-action adaptation of the Fantastic Four has ever been good in the history of cinema. I would also hardly say they expect the new F4 to generate much money at all. As a general rule, big-budget Hollywood movies need to make back around 3 times their budget in order to turn a profit and cover the costs of development and marketing. Rise of the Silver Surfer cost $130 million to make and only pulled back in $289 million worldwide, not even close to the 3 times rule.
 
Also, Marvel Studios has control of Spider-Man, at least for now. Sony has agreed to "share" him with Disney to introduce him into the MCU.

Yeah, I agree with most of this, with the usual caveats about studio accounting being horrendously easily manipulated to show whatever they want to show. And I know about the "sharing" deal, but Marvel still doesn't actually own the rights - there's just a limited amount of collaboration.

[o Ventus]

 

Speaking of which, who is directing the new "FF" movie?

 

Josh Trank

 

AKA the guy who caused hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage and harassed the crew and cast of F4, which prompted Lucasarts to drop him from his planned Star Wars spinoff film.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Even though they aren't obligated to follow the source material in every single detail...

No they aren't obligated but it would do them well to do so because if they held a little closer to it they might actually end up making a good FF movie.

[AresKeith]

Josh Trank

 

AKA the guy who caused hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage and harassed the crew and cast of F4, which prompted Lucasarts to drop him from his planned Star Wars spinoff film.

 

Makes sense given the how movie is now lol

 

No they aren't obligated but it would do them well to do so because if they held a little closer to it they might actually end up making a good FF movie.

 

And I honestly doubt Johnny being black is anywhere near the top of the list of issues people have with this movie

[Silvair]

No im not trolling. I don't troll. I'm dead serious. Leave the characters as they are. If someone made a movie and cast Blade or Storm or Psylocke or some other highly popular non white character as another ethnicity there'd be an epic dookie storm about it. Why should it be okay for one ethnic group to get crapped on and not another? No one should be getting crapped on at all.

In Wanted the Fox character was changed from black in the comics to white in the movie. As far as I know nobody gave a hoot because the series wasn't very well known in the first place. These werent well established characters with a decades long continuity and large knowledgable fanbase. But the FF? Come on man.

The Nick Fury in the movies is the alternate universe Fury and they went with him instead of the original 616 universe version because he was wildy popular. That kind of thing I don't have a problem with. But making color changes simply to put tokens in the film is ridiculous and it pisses me off because it feels like they're stepping all over the source material just to suit their marketing vision.

Thank you.

If they wanna have a black human torch? Fine. But don't call him Johnny Storm because he's not Johnny Storm.

Like nobody cares about everyone in big hero six getting race swapped because nobody even knew they were marvel characters. Like for Wasabi? They didn't keep the original Chinese guys name or nothing, he's just a brand new Wasabi, which is fine.

Like nobody has an issue with the new black kid Spiderman because he's a new character, Miles Morales, not just "black peter Parker".

Also two things

Psylocke is actually a white British woman who was magically swapped into an Asian woman's mind. And Nick Fury is black in movies because that was part of the deal for making Ultimate Fury patterned after Sam Jackson

[Morroian]

...what hole, exactly? Iron Man 3 made close to a billion dollars, Age of Ultron is on course to be in the Top 5 highest grossing films of all time.

Iron Man 3 wasn't great, but I really don't get the hate for Age of Ultron. I thought it was really well executed. I agree editting probably hurt it but I'd watch it over any non-Marvel super hero movie. Or over any other action movie coming out this year. I mean... are people forgetting these are super hero action movies? This isn't The Piano.

 

Yep I thought it was better than the first Avengers the plot was better since it didn't have to do an origin. The writing was fine with some nice characterisation and themes. Ultron was well executed and well acted by Spader. As for the editing well thats just pretty typical for an action movie these days. 

[Morroian]

Except that Michael B. Jordan is a phenomenal young actor that I'm happy to see in any movie?

 

Would have made more sense to cast him as Reed.

[Silvair]

At least his Ninja Turtles actually remained turtles, and his Transformers actually stayed on as Autobots and Decepticons. He at least pretends to be familiar with the source material.

Kinda? I mean their personalities were intact, but rather than Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, we got Teenage Towering Hobo Hulks.


Side note. Anyone else notice that rather than becoming the ever loving blue eyed Thing, Ben Grimm turns into Rockslide of the XMen for this new ff movie?

Seriously, right now the fantastic four consists of Mr Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Rockslide and Hotspot.

This is what happens when you don't bother to even resemble who you're supposed to be. That's why wade as weapon xi came off more as Baraka than deadpool.

[Sully13]

But April did have a bit of yellow on her.

[Fast Jimmy]

Nick Fury is black in movies because that was part of the deal for making Ultimate Fury patterned after Sam Jackson.

So it's okay to make Nick Fury black because Samuel L. Jackson was a good fit for the role, but it's not okay to make Johnny Storm black because Michael B. Jordan is a good fit for the role...? As long as Marvel comes out with a comic in an alternate universe (which is what the Ultimate comic series are essentially) that has Human Torch being black after the fact?

After Secret Wars, the entire universe gets reset. Maybe they'll make Johnny Storm black to mirror the movies there. Would that retroactively make this decision okay? Because if so, that seems like some flimsy logic.

[Silvair]

So it's okay to make Nick Fury black because Samuel L. Jackson was a good fit for the role, but it's not okay to make Johnny Storm black because Michael B. Jordan is a good fit for the role...? As long as Marvel comes out with a comic in an alternate universe (which is what the Ultimate comic series are essentially) that has Human Torch being black after the fact?

After Secret Wars, the entire universe gets reset. Maybe they'll make Johnny Storm black to mirror the movies there. Would that retroactively make this decision okay? Because if so, that seems like some flimsy logic.

Did you just not read what I said? at all?

Anyway not helping your case. The sole purpose of ultimate marvel was to make everyone arbitrarily different for shock value.

[Sully13]

Honestly im just glad it looks better than the cheap 90s movie. the Human Torch looks cool regardles i dont give a sh*t about his race aslong as the Actor is beter here than he was in Percy jackson. (i love those books those movies thogh are fekin balls.)

That said the Trailer looks promising the Team semes to have Chemistry.  

[Dermain]

So it's okay to make Nick Fury black because Samuel L. Jackson was a good fit for the role, but it's not okay to make Johnny Storm black because Michael B. Jordan is a good fit for the role...? As long as Marvel comes out with a comic in an alternate universe (which is what the Ultimate comic series are essentially) that has Human Torch being black after the fact?

After Secret Wars, the entire universe gets reset. Maybe they'll make Johnny Storm black to mirror the movies there. Would that retroactively make this decision okay? Because if so, that seems like some flimsy logic.

 

Well they probably wouldn't do that because Fox owns the Fantastic Four movie license.

[Silvair]

Races aside, I hope its not too serious. I don't want another Nolan dark knight where its Batman in name only. Like heath ledger was an amazing villain but he wasn't the joker. That most certainly wasn't Bane, and that was the saddest attempt at being batman ever.


Though like I said I'm not paying a dime for ff or ss

[Silvair]

Races aside, I hope its not too serious. I don't want another Nolan dark knight where its Batman in name only. Like heath ledger was an amazing villain but he wasn't the joker. That most certainly wasn't Bane, and that was the saddest attempt at being batman ever.


Though like I said I'm not paying a dime for ff or ss

[o Ventus]

So it's okay to make Nick Fury black because Samuel L. Jackson was a good fit for the role, but it's not okay to make Johnny Storm black because Michael B. Jordan is a good fit for the role...? As long as Marvel comes out with a comic in an alternate universe (which is what the Ultimate comic series are essentially) that has Human Torch being black after the fact?
 

A black Nick Fury actually exists in the comics, there is no black Human Torch. It's not as if there's no precedent for casting a black actor for Nick Fury (and Ultimate Fury was always modeled after Samuel L. Jackson to begin with).