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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

In DA1 you can romance Leliana and then kill her at the urn of sacred ashes.

But in DA2, you can NOT romance Fenris then hand him over to the Tevinter Magister OR romance Isabella and then give her to the Qunari.

Is this an oversight with the keep or were these options not available in DA2 for any reason?

[DameGrace]

Unfortunately, as of now, it seems that way. You can't romance Sebastian and let Anders live (my dreams of additional drama are crushed...). You can't keep Merrill's romance if you kill her. You can only kill Anders and still be locked in with him in a romance. For some reasons, for DAII part the 'romance' is the person you were locked in by the moment of last battle. So the Keep doesn't acknowledge your Hawke romancing several people, or betraying your love interest. 

 

I had wrote it as a suggestion, but I don't know if the devs are going to implement this. I understand why multiple romance may be hard to code and not to cause conflicts, but I really hope they will add the possibility to betray your companions in the Keep but still retain your romance. 

[Devil's Avocado]

In DA1 you can romance Leliana and then kill her at the urn of sacred ashes.

But in DA2, you can NOT romance Fenris then hand him over to the Tevinter Magister OR romance Isabella and then give her to the Qunari.

Is this an oversight with the keep or were these options not available in DA2 for any reason?

For DA2, the Keep assumes the romance status at the very end of the game/ ACT 3

Being able to romance leliana and kill her is a bug, then again maybe the devs want to keep it that way for DA:I

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

For DA2, the Keep assumes the romance status at the very end of the game/ ACT 3

Being able to romance leliana and kill her is a bug, then again maybe the devs want to keep it that way for DA:I

How is this a bug? It should be 100% possible to romance someone and then betray them. There is zero logic behind this imo Hopefully they are aware of this and will get it fixed. 

If you romance someone this should not in any way make them "immortal".

[Devil's Avocado]

How is this a bug? It should be 100% possible to romance someone and then betray them. There is zero logic behind this imo Hopefully they are aware of this and will get it fixed. 

If you romance someone this should not in any way make them "immortal".

they prefer to keep it to one romance per hero and a betrayal is not a successful romance by the games standards.

 

At least for DA2 you can't get the achievement for romance until you've finished all their side quests and they've passed every chance that they could have left/killed/betrayed.

I didn't get the achievement until after the Orsino battle.

[Asteriski]

I'm kind of sad about not having the ability to input multiple failed romances(believe me, Sylvia tried Isabela and Fenris first), but never being able to betray your lover? That's ridiculous. Some people are just evil that way.

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

How is this a bug? It should be 100% possible to romance someone and then betray them. There is zero logic behind this imo Hopefully they are aware of this and will get it fixed. 

If you romance someone this should not in any way make them "immortal".

 

I think it's quite logical. I'm quite opposed to calling killing someone a part of a romance. I bet the dead would agree with me on this one. Just wait and see what Leliana has to say about Warden in DA:I should you left her to die on the floor of the Ashes Temple. I think it's not going to be "Warden? Yeah, I still love that girl."  

[DameGrace]

I think it's quite logical. I'm quite opposed to calling killing someone a part of a romance. I bet the dead would agree with me on this one. Just wait and see what Leliana has to say about Warden in DA:I should you left her to die on the floor of the Ashes Temple. I think it's not going to be "Warden? Yeah, I still love that girl."  

 

I agree that it's logical - if the character is dead, then s/he's dead and Warden/Hawke is no longer in romance with them. But what I would really like to see is someone in DAI acknowledging my previous characters doing this. As I said previously, it would have been such a drama to have a Hawke who romanced Seb and didn't kill Anders. Even if they are not together any longer, Varric has to have something to say about this situation. Unfortunately, with the Keep it's impossible to do so.

[Devil's Avocado]

I agree that it's logical - if the character is dead, then s/he's dead and Warden/Hawke is no longer in romance with them. But what I would really like to see is someone in DAI acknowledging my previous characters doing this. As I said previously, it would have been such a drama to have a Hawke who romanced Seb and didn't kill Anders. Even if they are not together any longer, Varric has to have something to say about this situation. Unfortunately, with the Keep it's impossible to do so.

that's because for the romance to be successful you have to kill Anders.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I think it's quite logical. I'm quite opposed to calling killing someone a part of a romance. I bet the dead would agree with me on this one. Just wait and see what Leliana has to say about Warden in DA:I should you left her to die on the floor of the Ashes Temple. I think it's not going to be "Warden? Yeah, I still love that girl."  

 

By that logic: If you marry someone you love, and spend 4 years together and then divorce - then it would mean you never loved each other at all?

A romance in the past is not nullified by future events. If  someone has genuine love for eachother at point A, that doesent mean that if they broke up at point B - point A never happened. (It could be I misunderstood your post feel free to correct me if so).

[Devil's Avocado]

By that logic: If you marry someone you love, and spend 4 years together and then divorce - then it would mean you never loved each other at all?

A romance in the past is not nullified by future events. If  someone has genuine love for eachother at point A, that doesent mean that if they broke up at point B - point A never happened. (It could be I misunderstood your post feel free to correct me if so).

I think you're getting real life mixed up with a game mechanic. The way the Keep recognizes romance status is based on the game mechanic itself, whether you reached 'love' status in DA:O, which is a mix of plot triggers and friendship points and passed plot points/betrayal chances in DA2. it keeps things simple in the Keep that way. Only a 'successful' romance is recognized in the Keep.

 

[TimXP]

It seems the Keep is using the same criteria for DA2 romances as the game did, since IIRC you wouldn't get an achievement for romancing one of the companions until your final dialogue with them before the battle at the Gallows. I guess until then you were just sort of casually dating for 7 years. You know, nothing serious.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Well guess I can only hope the leliana romance + defiled ashes can stay. I was hoping that romancing leliana and killing her (Well in self defense that is) at the ashes would make for awesome drama in the form of extreme bitterness towards the warden.

 

[movieguyabw]

Keep in mind, you only get the romance achievement in DA2 after the start of "The Last Straw", during Act 3.

 

I believe it's also been said that the point of the tile is to find out who you were in a romance with when all was said and done.

 

So, for example; you could have glitched the game and romanced both Leliana and Morrigan in Origins.  However, that doesn't really matter, because when you complete Witch Hunt you are given the option to follow Morrigan through the Elluvian, or stay.  If you follow her, you are choosing to be with her over Leliana.  If you refuse to follow her, you are essentially breaking off the romance.  At least that's how I've been reading it.

 

So, no, I personally feel it wouldn't make sense to have a worldstate where you betray/kill your LI.  Unless you intended to romance a corpse, the romance is ended as soon as they are killed.

 

 

It would be nice to have a tile asking if there were any failed romances, though from what I hear that would be a nightmare to implement...  Then again, it couldn't hurt to continue to request this through the "beta feedback" button on the Keep. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

What I really dislike is how you can't have a regular baby with Morrigan without choosing her as the romance when it was possible to just sleep with her and then choose to break up with her and romance someone else.

[Isaidlunch]

As someone with several world states that involve screwing over Alistair (don't ask), I've noticed that his tiles have some issues if you betray him at the Landsmeet while romanced.

1. You can save Loghain and pick the "Remained Alistair's mistress" option.
2. You can turn Alistair into a drunk or even let him be executed and pick the "Remained with the Grey Wardens and the Warden" option for the mistress tile.
3. There's no appropriate option for the mistress tile for someone who romances Alistair but betrays him at the Landsmeet.

Obviously the combinations mentioned above shouldn't be allowed, but it feels wrong having to pick "Alistair & the Warden were not lovers" since that implies a romance never took place. A new "Warden betrayed romanced Alistair" option for the mistress tile would be nice but I doubt it would be referenced anyway.

[Evamitchelle]

As someone with several world states that involve screwing over Alistair (don't ask), I've noticed that his tiles have some issues if you betray him at the Landsmeet while romanced.

1. You can save Loghain and pick the "Remained Alistair's mistress" option.
2. You can turn Alistair into a drunk or even let him be executed and pick the "Remained with the Grey Wardens and the Warden" option for the mistress tile.
3. There's no appropriate option for the mistress tile for someone who romances Alistair but betrays him at the Landsmeet.

Obviously the combinations mentioned above shouldn't be allowed, but it feels wrong having to pick "Alistair & the Warden were not lovers" since that implies a romance never took place. A new "Warden betrayed romanced Alistair" option for the mistress tile would be nice but I doubt it would be referenced anyway.

 

The 'Did the Warden remained Alistair's mistress' tile is buggy in general. You can also romance Zevran/Leliana and still choose 'remained Alistair's mistress', which shouldn't be possible either. That goes for all of Alistair's tiles really, because he's connected to so many different choices. 

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

By that logic: If you marry someone you love, and spend 4 years together and then divorce - then it would mean you never loved each other at all?

A romance in the past is not nullified by future events. If  someone has genuine love for eachother at point A, that doesent mean that if they broke up at point B - point A never happened. (It could be I misunderstood your post feel free to correct me if so).

 

I don't think you misunderstood. But since when is divorce the same thing as murder? If you killed them, I say you never actually loved them at all. You may argue otherwise but I (and the Keep) won't believe you  But let's not go any deeper into this, please?

[SofaJockey]

Delightful as the possible drama is:

 

DAI may comment on a past companion:

• The warden romanced X, or
• Companion X is dead.

DAi will not manage, whether you wish it or not: e.g.

• The warden two-timed Leliana and Morrigan before slaughtering his love interest at Andraste's Temple and stabbing Morrigan as well.

The permutations are already daunting.

This is not DAmatch.com...

 

[Kantr]

ha ha I like that DAmatch.com banner

 

Tweet at Aaryn and the keep (if you have twitter)

[SofaJockey]

Thanks, I'll try to do that.

[ThunderboltSeven]

DAi will not manage, whether you wish it or not: e.g.

• The warden two-timed Leliana and Morrigan before slaughtering his love interest at Andraste's Temple and stabbing Morrigan as well.

 

This is dead on, while I've been beating the drum to keep my tragic Merrill romance alive in the Keep, it's absolutely logical that they wouldn't account for every variable possible during the course of either of the game's romances.

 

Loved the image too, definitely get that out in front of the staff!