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[dantares83]

May I ask how do u guys judge whether Cullen is a friend or not?

 

Im a mage supporter, helped Cullen on his quests but choose mainly mage-support choices. I did not allow Samson to be a templar again and I let Keran off.

 

Cullen seems to be neutral to me and he did once said that the reason I am walking around (mage) is because of my wealth and status.

 

But my Hawke did call him an 'old friend' in act 3. and he did help me in the end to defeat Meredith. But still, i do not get a friend vibe from him but he is certainly not my enemy either.

[crowskin]

No one knows for sure, but it's assumed that particular tile will simply reflect how Cullen speaks of the Champion in DAI. There's no one moment where you become Cullen's friend or enemy in DA2. He will always defend Hawke against Meredith.

[katerinafm]

No one knows for sure, but it's assumed that particular tile will simply reflect how Cullen speaks of the Champion in DAI. There's no one moment where you become Cullen's friend or enemy in DA2. He will always defend Hawke against Meredith.

 

Will it actually affect DAI? The tile was added pretty late in the beta. Are we sure it's going to affect DAI and is not just there to add flavor?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Choosing pro-mage dialogue in conversations with him doesn't seem to affect his reactions towards Hawke.

[crowskin]

Will it actually affect DAI? The tile was added pretty late in the beta. Are we sure it's going to affect DAI and is not just there to add flavor?

 

Well, we don't know for sure, but that's what everyone in the closed beta assumed. It's possible that they planned to add it all along but just got around to doing it late.

[dantares83]

Choosing pro-mage dialogue in conversations with him doesn't seem to affect his reactions towards Hawke.

yeah, there is the problem. pro-mage or templar, his reactions are generally the same.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I think the main way to check how he feels about Hawke is in act 3. If you're not friends, he'll say that Hawke has become less of a friend to the Templars. Don't know what he says otherwise. It seems that it is dependent on how you treat his opinions, not your actions. He'll treat you like a friend if you don't say "It's the templars fault" or something like that. Needless to say, he and my canon mage hawke aren't friends.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

yeah, there is the problem. pro-mage or templar, his reactions are generally the same.

 

Honestly the best answer I've ever been able to come up with so far is that it's a totally subjective question.

[Shya]

Spoiler

All that happens is he says he's disappointed with Hawke if you didn't side with Meredith in the very being of act 3 with her fight with Orsino

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Spoiler

All that happens is he says he's disappointed with Hawke if you didn't side with Meredith in the very being of act 3 with her fight with Orsino

 

That has nothing to do with being his friend or not. You can still call him an old friend even if you don't. And if you do he talks more about the Knight-Commander appreciating it than himself.

[katerinafm]

Well, we don't know for sure, but that's what everyone in the closed beta assumed. It's possible that they planned to add it all along but just got around to doing it late.

 

I guess so. Have you been in the beta for long? I'd like to PM you a question.

[Shya]

Ur right about the replies being the same no matter what side u choose. But his tone with u is less friendly if u don't side with Meredith. But it has been ages since I played it. I think the choice is more for DA:I than with anything that happen in 2

[Jedi Master of Orion]

There's only one line of difference between siding with Meredith or not siding with Meredith.

 

He either says "I'm sure you know how much it meant to the Knight-Commander for you to take her side against Orisino" or "It seems you've become less of a friend to the templars since your ascension" but both responses result in him being very friendly and Hawke can still call him an old friend in either case.

[BubbleDncr]

I just made them friends based on what made sense to me.

 

My cannon Hawke was pro-mage, but moderate and a nice person. So I thought friends made sense. 

My evil Hawke was a jerk. So not friends.

My Hawke-who-sleep-with-everyone was a pretty big jerk. And pro-mage. So they aren't friends. 

My religious, pro-templar Hawke is friends with Cullen. 

[RedIntifada]

I kept trying to invite Cullen for a beer but he never took me up on it :-).

[NRieh]

One of the top most unclear tiles! The worst thing is that we have no idea how exactly it affects Cullen's DAI dialogues, and it's going to be too late once we find out. I'd rather have a safe 'neutral' option, really.

 

My FemRogueHawke romances Anders and supports mages. She considers Cullen as one of the (more or less) reasonable templars, but I can hardly call that 'friendship'.   On the other hand 'not friends' means (very likely) some sort of open confrontation and hatred, which is also so very wrong.

 

Not sure which is worse - Cullen claiming that Hawke used to buy him drinks at the Hangman and invite him for tea or Cullen telling that he had always hated her.

[crowskin]

I guess so. Have you been in the beta for long? I'd like to PM you a question.

Since PAX. Friend gave me a code. Feel free to PM .

[Mawrak]

As far as I know, it just how you feel were your Hawke and Cullen friends or not. 

[Kantr]

Headcanon it. Dont want hawke to be friends? Then make it so

[NRieh]

 

As far as I know, it just how you feel were your Hawke and Cullen friends or not.

Sure, but the problem is that our definition of 'friend' may drastically differ from the one that was implied in this tile by the writers.

Does being formal and polite to each other mean friendship? Does not talking at all mean 'not friendship'?..   

True, I can headcanon anything for myself, but this one might (and very likely will) somehow alter DAI dialogues. Either with Varric or with Cullen (probably both). 

How can one make a right choice without knowing what the options are?  

[thedancingdruid]

Cullen seems to be neutral to me and he did once said that the reason I am walking around (mage) is because of my wealth and status.

 

 

You would not happen to remember how this line came to be would you? That would be so apropos for my current Hawk.

[Stormy]

Frankly, I believe it has nothing to do with actual game mechanics and everything to do with your own "head canon".  When Hawke says that she/he comes to check up on a friend (in dialogue with him), it makes me think that, yes, they were friends of a sort even if they may have been on opposite sides of the issue.

 

Again, this is head-canon, and not game mechanic... since I'm not a writer, or a dev LOL, so others may see it differently.

[Helios969]

How do you want Cullen to reflect upon your Hawke?  That Hawke was a good guy/gal.  That Hawke was a complete d*k/b*h!

[Skyrunner_Morgan]

I think it's next to impossible to tell. I supported the mages but helped Cullen and talked to him when I had the chance.

In the second chapter, Cullen greets Hawke in a more friendly fashion while if you kept supporting mages and talk to him in the third chapter Cullen will be a bit more reserved when he talks to you. In the end he still steps up to fight Meridith with Hawke though that is more of a "stand up against wrong" decision rather than "I'll stand by my friend" thing.

Although this might be hard to get or see in the actual game, a person can say that Hawke was friends with Cullen though the Keep's system or logical Templar-ish thinking might say that it's wrong if you supported the mages but were friends with Cullen.

[dantares83]

like what NRieh had said, I would prefer neutral really for my canon Hawke (who is a mage and mage supporter and did not even kill Anders).

 

Because it would take away the story if Cullen appears to be like best friend with my Hawke when he is not or saying that he and Hawke fought constantly which is not true as well. He is always neutral, just another nicer and more tolerant templar in Kirkwall. My Hawke neither likes nor dislikes him.