989 réponses à ce sujet

[dreamgazer]

Ah, I believed a Word of God needed to be specific, not vague. My mistake.

I didn't realize Word of God needed to spoonfeed every detail. My mistake as well.

[themikefest]

Because he hadn't gotten reports of a couple of people arriving on the Citadel (yet)?

"She did it." That's what's been reported.

Who sent the report? When Shepard gets up, you can hear the call to fall back and no one made it. Anderson says he followed Shepard up. Why didn't the individual report 2 people made it?

[sveners]

Is it bad? The choice is yours, perhaps your Shepard is not willing to live after killing geth and EDI and you can kill him in headcanon. Mine was fine with that and now enjoys teaching at Grissom Academy along with his love interest - Jack. 

 

 

Fair enough, I just have difficulty (well I find it impossible actually) envisioning a scenario where Shepard escapes the Citadel alive. With those injuries. And the fleet having run away. And earth concerned with more immediate problems.

 

Add to that... this is the only ending of 8 (?) where this speculation is even possible. In all others Shepard dies. No if,and,or,but.

[Valmar]

It's funny to see Shepard's fate up to debate here. He's clearly alive, guys. That's the entire point of the high EMS Destroy ending being different in the first place. Granted we don't really get more than a gasping chest plate (I've been complaining about this for a while) but its still clear that Shepard survived. I want more than that, definitely, but he is alive. They wouldn't include the breathing scene and the Normandy plaque not being placed otherwise. It's so obvious that Shepard survives in that. I'm all for wanting a happier outcome than just "oh, Shep's alive under a bunch of rubble, woohoo" but to think that this doesn't clearly mean he survived is silly.

 

 

Fair enough, I just have difficulty (well I find it impossible actually) envisioning a scenario where Shepard escapes the Citadel alive. With those injuries. And the fleet having run away. And earth concerned with more immediate problems.

 

Add to that... this is the only ending of 8 (?) where this speculation is even possible. In all others Shepard dies. No if,and,or,but.

 

 

Are you actually trying to bring logic and reason into Mass Effect 3's ending? In the words of Harbinger: This hurts you.

 

It doesn't make sense how he survived but neither does a lot of things in the ending. The fact that he was brought back to life in the second game doesn't make a lot of sense either but we go with it. Shepard survived. They did a ******-poor job of making it a happy ending or giving closure, but Shep is alive.

[Iakus]

Is it bad? The choice is yours, perhaps your Shepard is not willing to live after killing geth and EDI and you can kill him in headcanon. Mine was fine with that and now enjoys teaching at Grissom Academy along with his love interest - Jack. 

It would be better if all the endings were so ambiguous.  It would feel less like bitterness was being shoved down the players' throats

[Iakus]

I didn't realize Word of God needed to spoonfeed every detail. My mistake as well.

If you're willing to spoonfeed death, you should be willing to spoonfeed life as well.

[dreamgazer]

Word of God puts "Shepard Lives" in quotes
 
Also says "this is meant to suggest the LI is not ready to believe Shepard is dead"  Which is not confirmation that Shepard lives nor even that the LI has anything beyond the Force to suspect otherwise (where was this sixth sense on Horizon?) 
 
Also "As the Normandy lifts off there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will be together again"
 
Hope=/= certainty.
 
So where does Word of God confirm that Shepard survives?

Your "Force" comeback to this constantly suggests that you don't recognize hope and determination when you see it. Are you that despondent?

Where does Word of God even suggest that death should be considered? Shepard has survived the impossible before.

And, again, do you really think they put in a Finger Twitching Revival for the sake of illustrating Shepard's death?

[sveners]

Your "Force" comeback to this constantly suggests that you don't recognize hope and determination when you see it. Are you that despondent?

Where does Word of God even suggest that death should be considered? Shepard has survived the impossible before.

And, again, do you really think they put in a Finger Twitching Revival for the sake of illustrating Shepard's death?

 

Where does Word of God suggest survival is certain?

 

Shepard has also died before. So why should Shepard having survived impossible odds before mean anything in this case? 

Modifié par sveners, 31 octobre 2014 - 10:43 .

[dreamgazer]

If you're willing to spoonfeed death, you should be willing to spoonfeed life as well.

Why?

[dreamgazer]

Where does Word of God suggest survival is certain?

"...and the final scene reveals they are correct."

[Barquiel]

Shepard's fate was never my main problem with the ending (the extended cut actually fixed most of my problems, like the galactic dark age). But I always saw Shepard as a "classic" hero, she was presented in this way through all 3 games. To suddenly tack on a tragic (or ambivalent) hero ending onto what was a classic hero's adventure...it simply doesn't fit IMO.

[Vazgen]

 

Who sent the report? When Shepard gets up, you can hear the call to fall back and no one made it. Anderson says he followed Shepard up. Why didn't the individual report 2 people made it?

Some sniper from a roof nearby sees someone going up the beam. Perhaps he was distracted when Anderson went through. It's possible, right? Perhaps something else happened, I don't know.

 

Fair enough, I just have difficulty (well I find it impossible actually) envisioning a scenario where Shepard escapes the Citadel alive. With those injuries. And the fleet having run away. And earth concerned with more immediate problems.

 

Add to that... this is the only ending of 8 (?) where this speculation is even possible. In all others Shepard dies. No if,and,or,but.

I don't think basing a conclusion on other endings is fair, they are, well, other endings, completely separate from each other. 

As for the injuries, he was clearly capable of walking and shooting. If he avoided the big blast he should be able to pull through. Perhaps fell in a Keeper tunnel from that platform. Really, it's all headcanon, I'm pretty sure it can be made to work. 

[dreamgazer]

Where does Word of God suggest survival is certain?

 

Shepard has also died before. So why should Shepard having survived impossible odds before mean anything in this case? 

 

Typically if someone can overcome an obstacle once, they could feasibly overcome an obstacle again. 

 

Failure to overcome an obstacle in a separate instance doesn't take away from the fact that they've overcome the obstacle previously. 

[sveners]

"...and the final scene reveals they are correct."

 

Are you just trolling now? Yes.... dead bodies don't draw breath. But dying ones can, for a time.

[von uber]

My biggest issue with the breath scene is that it is such a half-arsed addition. It's obviously a pre-rendered FMV sequence, would it have been that hard to show the players Shep opening her eyes as she took the breath? That would have been much better and made it more obvious. i never got why they needed to tease it.

 

Still my favourite idea given what we got was 1 slide in the way themikefest has described it. It wasn't a difficult thing to do, they could have kept their endings and removed all ambiguity - yet they chose not to; a very strange decision.

[dreamgazer]

Are you just trolling now? Yes.... dead bodies don't draw breath. But dying ones can, for a time.

 

Especially an upgraded half-cyborg like Shepard with a dizzying array of support additions.

 

Why is that trolling?  Word of God confirms they are correct in their hope that Shepard lives. 

 

Not "incorrect".  Not "Yeah, but they'll die the next second".  Correct.

[dreamgazer]

Still my favourite idea given what we got was 1 slide in the way themikefest has described it. It wasn't a difficult thing to do, they could have kept their endings and removed all ambiguity - yet they chose not to; a very strange decision.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to that, but it's not necessary. It's visualizing something that'd look better in people's headcanon than in motion.

[Valmar]

Seriously Sveners if you can overlook all the other impossible things Shepard and the squad have survive why is it you cannot accept the breath ending as being proof of life? Shepard has a body that can withstand firing weapons only geth and krogan can endure. He survived having sovereign crashing on him. I'm sure he can handle some rubble. Which he clearly did. Because he's alive... Lol.

[Iakus]

Why?

Look at the last two years and you'll find your answer.

[themikefest]

 

 

Some sniper from a roof nearby sees someone going up the beam. Perhaps he was distracted when Anderson went through. It's possible, right? Perhaps something else happened, I don't know.

 

Why didn't the sniper shoot the husks and Marauder for Shepard? Coates I believe says fallback, the sniper would leave his/her post

[dreamgazer]

Look at the last two years and you'll find your answer.

 

Nearly three years, actually, and the actions of a cluster of vocal "patriots" doesn't mean they're correct. 

[von uber]

I wouldn't be opposed to that, but it's not necessary. It's visualizing something that'd look better in people's headcanon than in motion.

 

That's the problem though isn't it; it relies on headcanon. Why do it for as an important issue as that?

[Iakus]

Your "Force" comeback to this constantly suggests that you don't recognize hope and determination when you see it. Are you that despondent?
 

 

I watched Shepard walk into a fireball as he slaughtered an entire form of life.

 

You bet I'm despondant.  The whole scene feels artificial and slapped together.  Such "hope and determination" clearly didn't exist the last time Shepard died.

 

If they wanted to evoke such feelings, they should go with something more concrete.  As concrete as seeing Shepard's flesh burnt from his bones.

 

 

Where does Word of God even suggest that death should be considered? Shepard has survived the impossible before.

 

You know, you’ve been given free choice to make all these decisions with this character, with the fates of millions of people, and then, you don’t get to choose your own fate.  Mac Walters

 

In the end, I think a lot of the fan-reaction - and this doesn't mean it's unjustified, at all - is just grief. It's some of the most raw responses I've gotten, have been people who are grieving, because a character that was really important to them died and, you know, died for a worthy cause -- but died, and that sucks!" Patrick Weekes

 

 

And, again, do you really think they put in a Finger Twitching Revival for the sake of illustrating Shepard's death?

It's an easter egg.  a "ray of hope"  If they wanted to illustrate Shepard being alive they could just as easily have done so on more certain terms.  But they chose not to. 

[Iakus]

Nearly three years, actually, and the actions of a cluster of vocal "patriots" doesn't mean they're correct. 

 

Every bit as correct as you are, whatever description you care to put in quotes around for yourself.

[Fandango]

Patrick is right in a sense, but to reduce the myriad ways in which people felt let down by the ending to ME3 so, is to give Mac and Casey way too much credit. Fact is, people continue to take issue with their efforts for a great many - entirely legitimate - reasons and there's just no talking around it I'm afraid.