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I think there should have been an option to be more impatient. When you really think about it, arguing is a waste of time anyway. All around you people are being incinerated by the reapers, and the fleets you gathered are still getting torn up in orbit. I don't care who built what and when or whatever. I don't care about its problems or its mandates or anything like that. That might have been something to do earlier down the road, but at this point I would consider it too little too late. My objective is clear, and delays are unwelcome.

 

Catalyst: Lemme explain something at you.

 

Shepard: Ain't nobody got time for that!


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I sort of agree, I still think it's important to have more information on the cruciblew all we know about it is that it's a gigantic plot device, then we learn right at the end that it's a power source... to do what exactly? There are so many questions on the crucible and the catalyst that if it was my choice they'd be removed entirely, or at the very least entirely rewritten.

 

But yes they do try to shove a large amount of information in a very small space of time that is rather crucial to shepard's existance, there shoudl be more information during the events of the story and less nonsense right at the end.



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I definitely don't think there should be the option to logic-bomb the billion-year-old AI with countless cycles to its name. 

 

All that time of processing and reinforcing its programming, and this Mary Sue's gonna be the one to talk him out of it? Come on, folks.


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I don't want to talk him out of it, I want him to give me a logical and coherent ending



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I wanted the thing to prove it controls the reapers.

 

Shepard would never of been able to talk the thing out of stopping because the thing was running on what it was programmed to do. The programming had to be change for the thing to change and apparently the giant microphone did that



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I don't want to talk him out of it, I want him to give me a logical and coherent ending


Agreed. Remove all doubt. All I keep hearing is how Reapers manipulate. If youre not going to give the option to call the brat out, overwhelm me in the narrative that the problem cant be solved and needs to be addressed.

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I don't want to talk him out of it, I want him to give me a logical and coherent ending

 

Since the Protheans and the Reapers outright stated that their synthetic existence was beyond organic comprehension, and since the problem clearly reemerged in this cycle, it made more logical and coherent sense than I expected.  Compared to, say, something as traceable and comprehensible as the spread of dark energy, which would've turned the Reapers into good guys without a sliver of debate in the matter.

 

The tentative truce between the Quarians and the geth isn't the ace up the narrative's sleeve that some seem to think it is. 


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Since the Protheans and the Reapers outright stated that their synthetic existence was beyond organic comprehension, and since the problem clearly reemerged in this cycle, it made more logical and coherent sense than I expected.  Compared to, say, something as traceable and comprehensible as the spread of dark energy, which would've turned the Reapers into good guys without a sliver of debate in the matter.

 

The tentative truce between the Quarians and the geth isn't the ace up the narrative's sleeve that some seem to think it is. 

 

I'm not really advocating for the dark energy ending, I just think that in the ending provided required more of an explanation than "oh well I decided it's beyond your comprehension so I won't bother explaining"

 

As for the Quarians and the Geth, there is also the Zha'Til from Javik's time, who seemingly only rebelled as a result of meddling from the reapers. So we know of three sentient synthetics, one of them was subjugated by the reapers, another came to peace with their creators (after also being subjugated by the reapers) and the third became friends with shepard and his crew. I'm not saying it's impossible they could have rebelled again at a later date of their own free will, I'm jsut saying the "synthetics vs organics" narrative they forced right at the end of the game seems rather implausible.



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Theres also whatever happened during the Leviathan era. However, those events are barely explained and come from a very biased source.

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As for the Quarians and the Geth, there is also the Zha'Til from Javik's time, who seemingly only rebelled as a result of meddling from the reapers. So we know of three sentient synthetics, one of them was subjugated by the reapers, another came to peace with their creators (after also being subjugated by the reapers) and the third became friends with shepard and his crew. I'm not saying it's impossible they could have rebelled again at a later date of their own free will, I'm jsut saying the "synthetics vs organics" narrative they forced right at the end of the game seems rather implausible.

 

Wat?

 

The AI the Zha implanted themselves with seized their physical bodies and molded their offspring into a slave race, leaving few organic traces and turning them into what Javik calls "monsters". It had nothing to do with the Reapers. 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=Kl-BBeC5KFo

 

The Geth and Quarians may have come to peace(no one knows for how long) on your playthrough, but it is not the only outcome. For many others, most people actually if you look at the stats Bioware's put out, there was no peace on Rannoch, so bringing that up during the conversation with the catalyst would be useless. Also, the Geth ran to the Reapers, the Reapers didn't take over the Geth and make them attack the Quarians, and the Reapers sure has hell had nothing to do with the Geth killing 99% of the Quarians population 300 hundred years before, but woops, organics and synthetics have never had any issues without the Reapers getting involved, even though we know from Leviathan that that is not true, am I right? Am I right? I'm right ain't I? 

 

What would bringing EDI do? That would be like using Wrex as the representative of all Krogan, even though Eve straight out calls him a mutant among the Krogan. This isn't even factoring in the fact that EDI killed a lot of people at the Alliance training facility on Luna. 



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Since the Protheans and the Reapers outright stated that their synthetic existence was beyond organic comprehension, and since the problem clearly reemerged in this cycle, it made more logical and coherent sense than I expected.  Compared to, say, something as traceable and comprehensible as the spread of dark energy, which would've turned the Reapers into good guys without a sliver of debate in the matter.

 

The tentative truce between the Quarians and the geth isn't the ace up the narrative's sleeve that some seem to think it is. 

What problem? The Krogan Rebellions?  Way more destructive than the Morning War.  



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The Zha'til AI were subjugated by the Reapers. And for all the horror of the Morning War, the Geth had no agenda with organics once they secured their independence - until Sovy showed up and convinced a fraction of them to fight.

Further, the fact that peace between the Geth and organics is difficult to achieve isn't the issue. The fact that it's possible, however, is. If the writers wanted to drive home the point that peace can't be achieved they missed a golden opportunity to represent that with the Rannoch arc. If even the "perfect" conditions only lead to one race surviving, that'd go a long way. Instead you can actually convince organics to have a change of culture, and immediately show AI being cooperative in organic interests.

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What problem? The Krogan Rebellions?  Way more destructive than the Morning War.


It's not the problem the Catalyst was designed to guard against, though. Genetic mutations and blunt-force alterations (and the arrival of an external threat like the rachni) aren't predictable on a timeline, but the development and progression of technology are. Organic perspective and synthetic logic are also different beasts, as are regulating the ascension of technology and the ascension of biology.

And I guess it depends on what your definition of destructive is, because intentionally cutting the quarian population down to 1% of its pre-war numbers in a "genocide" is quite destructive.
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It's not the problem the Catalyst was designed to guard against, though. Genetic mutations and blunt-force alterations (and the arrival of an external threat like the rachni) aren't predictable on a timeline, but the development and progression of technology are. Organic perspective and synthetic logic are also different beasts, as are regulating the ascension of technology and the ascension of biology.

And I guess it depends on what your definition of destructive is, because intentionally cutting the quarian population down to 1% of its pre-war numbers in a "genocide" is quite destructive.

 

Progression of technology is only predictable on a timeline if you are guiding the progression.  Which the Reapers have been doing.  They are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.  

 

And by destructive I am defining it as declaring a total war on multiple species, Not just one.  And dropping asteroids on several garden worlds, rendering at least three uninhabitable.  The geth were, while not innocent of wrongdoing, considerably more restrained than the krogan.



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Progression of technology is only predictable on a timeline if you are guiding the progression.  Which the Reapers have been doing.  They are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.


Only to a degree. Organic ambition makes it all happen, though. The Reapers don't have a hand in the creation of AI.
 

And by destructive I am defining it as declaring a total war on multiple species, Not just one.  And dropping asteroids on several garden worlds, rendering at least three uninhabitable.  The geth were, while not innocent of wrongdoing, considerably more restrained than the krogan.


The Krogan felt entitled. War sucks, clashing ideologies suck, but it cannot be controlled. What can be controlled, however, is genocidal concentration and the cold logic of synthetic processes.

You consider pushing a species to the very edge of extinction "considerably more restrained"?

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Only to a degree. Organic ambition makes it all happen, though. The Reapers don't have a hand in the creation of AI.
 

No, just a hand in sabotaging AI and going "See!  See!  THis is why we can't have nice things!"

 

 

The Krogan felt entitled. War sucks, clashing ideologies suck, but it cannot be controlled. What can be controlled, however, is genocidal concentration and the cold logic of synthetic processes.

 

You consider pushing a species to the very edge of extinction "considerably more restrained"?

 

The geth didn't feel entitled to live?  "Does this unit have a soul?"

 

The quarians didn't go genocidal on them?    Heck as far as we can tell the geth pretty much just wanted to be left alone.

 

The krogan didn't go genocidal on the Council?  You don't need cold synthetic processes to annihilate whole worlds of organics.  You just need a crew of p*ssed off crew (that doesn't even have to be synthetic)  and a mass driver.

 

Compared to destroying entire worlds?  You bet the geth were considerably more restrained.



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You're overlooking the main point. The catalyst's goal was to stop the conflict with the synthetics, not organics. It doesn't matter how horrible organics are or how worse you think they are then the flashlights. Organic vs organic is a natural conflict. It's a variable you have no control over. Know what is a variable? Synthetics. You can't stop organics from killing organics but you CAN stop AI from killing organics by simply not making AI. The cycle is in placed to ensure that whenever we reach the level where we can make this dangerous AI we are harvested and the galaxy gets rebooted from the beginning.

 

You're so firmly rooted in your moral high-ground that you're refusing to view this from the reaper perspective. Understanding someone's perspective doesn't mean you have to agree with them. There is always conflict with synthetic and organic, period. It's impossible for the opposite to be true, it simply isn't how the galaxy works. We see time and again in the Mass Effect universe that synthetics fight with organics. It happens in this cycle and its happened in the prothean cycle and it even happened in the leviathan's cycle. The catalyst is billions of years old and has been observing this pattern over and over again. His is a perspective than spans back so far into time that nothing you say or bring up is going to be able to counter it. No one is going to have better insight on this matter then the AI thats been around for billions of years observing it.

 

The pattern exists. You don't have to like it for that to be the case, clearly in Mass Effect the pattern is there. Apparently the cycle has been in such a way that synthetics repeatedly wipe out organic life. The reapers bring a close to the cycle before things can escalate that far and then proceed to harvest and preserve all the advanced civilizations, saving them from being wiped out by their own creations and clearing the way for the next cycle to grow and prosper.


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That organics and synthetics end up having fights is about the only pattern that exists. There's nothing more significant about that than organics fighting each other. The Catalyst has hardcoded into it that that's the one it's supposed to deal with, nothing more.

 

The fact that the Catalyst claims something doesn't make me accept it. It's just bigoted. I'm not going to fall for an appeal to authority fallacy. Its long observation might have some weight in reality but this is fiction, and dealing with an issue that could at least theoretically happen in reality, so you can't just have a character claim anything you like and have me swallow it, and more than if it claimed some racist or sexist nonsense with "Hey, I've seen it!"



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I didn't need any fraking explanation of why the reapers were doing what they were doing. I just needed one thing. I needed the reapers to be dead. No Starbrat, no long dialogue with him, no choices. Just dead reapers.

 

The scene with Anderson after The Illusive Man conversation should have been the end. The Crucible should have fired right then and destroyed the reapers. They could have linked Shepard's survival to EMS if they wanted. They could have linked the fate of your entire team to EMS if they wanted. Your entire team should have participated in the charge to the beam. There should have been no guessing or speculation at the end. High EMS Shepard survives, and your team survives. Mod High Shepard survives, but you start losing team members. Moderate and lower Shepard dies, etc. Lowest EMS the Normandy is destroyed. They could have done that. State of the galaxy depends upon your EMS.

 

Of course, since for a sequel, they could pick high EMS and Shepard still retires to some far off world, the MEU lives on with no controversy.


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Time is an illusion to synthetics, so while the catalyst may be motivated towards a particular choice (synthesis), it really has no motivation to lie at this point. Kinda like, "Fine, don't believe me. Let's just wait it out and see if it takes another [very large number of years] for an organic to be standing here."

Just dead reapers.

Amen. This should have been the Alliance recruiting slogan.

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ME3 was about reaching a number. Didn't matter how. Shepard gets this number, this ending is available. Get this number and Shepard can choose these endings. Who cares about the story or characters as long as the player has the number he/she wants for the ending that he/she wants?

 

It's not ME3, but ME: Whats your favorite Number?


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I think there should have been an option to be more impatient. When you really think about it, arguing is a waste of time anyway. All around you people are being incinerated by the reapers, and the fleets you gathered are still getting torn up in orbit. I don't care who built what and when or whatever. I don't care about its problems or its mandates or anything like that. That might have been something to do earlier down the road, but at this point I would consider it too little too late. My objective is clear, and delays are unwelcome.

 

Catalyst: Lemme explain something at you.

 

Shepard: Ain't nobody got time for that!

 

Given that the Catalyst says that the Relays will blow up in the endings, I think it's prudent for Shepard to ask why the Catalyst simply can't leave with all the Reapers or something like that. It's fine with Shepard destroying them all, which by the Catalyst own admission isn't a solution to the actual problem, so it's not like it's forced by it's programming to do anything. Why specifically does the Crucible have to be used?

 

You're overlooking the main point. The catalyst's goal was to stop the conflict with the synthetics, not organics. It doesn't matter how horrible organics are or how worse you think they are then the flashlights. Organic vs organic is a natural conflict. It's a variable you have no control over. Know what is a variable? Synthetics. You can't stop organics from killing organics but you CAN stop AI from killing organics by simply not making AI. The cycle is in placed to ensure that whenever we reach the level where we can make this dangerous AI we are harvested and the galaxy gets rebooted from the beginning.

 

You're so firmly rooted in your moral high-ground that you're refusing to view this from the reaper perspective. Understanding someone's perspective doesn't mean you have to agree with them. There is always conflict with synthetic and organic, period. It's impossible for the opposite to be true, it simply isn't how the galaxy works. We see time and again in the Mass Effect universe that synthetics fight with organics. It happens in this cycle and its happened in the prothean cycle and it even happened in the leviathan's cycle. The catalyst is billions of years old and has been observing this pattern over and over again. His is a perspective than spans back so far into time that nothing you say or bring up is going to be able to counter it. No one is going to have better insight on this matter then the AI thats been around for billions of years observing it.

 

The pattern exists. You don't have to like it for that to be the case, clearly in Mass Effect the pattern is there. Apparently the cycle has been in such a way that synthetics repeatedly wipe out organic life. The reapers bring a close to the cycle before things can escalate that far and then proceed to harvest and preserve all the advanced civilizations, saving them from being wiped out by their own creations and clearing the way for the next cycle to grow and prosper.

 

Well it's more than simple conflict. It's conflict that will lead to the destruction of all organic life. Which, aside from the Reapers, isn't represented to well by the synthetics that we know of. The Geth took up isolation, the other AI in the games were taken out by a group of three people on foot, the Protheans took care of their AI problem, etc. None of these disprove the Catalyst's assertions as that list probably makes up like 0.00...001% of the AI/organic conflict in the galaxy over the last billion or so years and all you need is one.

 

I think the problem though with the ending isn't so much that's it's logically wrong (I don't have too big a problem with the Catalyst's logic), but rather that it's thematically wrong to involve this conflict as the center piece of the ending. Firstly, AI vs Organics wasn't a large part of the third game, or the trilogy even. In ME3 it was regulated to the Geth/Quarian arc, which was resolved; and maybe EDI's character arc, which was also resolved. By the time of the ending all this stuff has been put to rest so it's jarring to have it reinserted and suddenly take place as the central conflict in the last 15 minutes of the game, through an exposition dump, no less.

 

The bigger problem though is that the conflict as presented by the Catalyst represents a deeper conflict between the two than we ever see in the trilogy. The nature of the conflict involves that AI are fundamentally different beings having a greater capacity for knowledge, learning, less restraint by morals, etc; so much so that AI and organics can never live in peace unless the differences are removed by Synthesis. Again, this is fine but why is this never represented in the story proper, aside from maybe ME1? Instead the conflict that we see in the games is some weird analogy for racial tensions. It's not particularly deep but it's one the Rannoch arc repeatedly bludgeons the player with. Never do we get any kind of meaningful or deep insight on how to deal with such conflicts. Instead we get broad strokes about how sparing and freedom seeking the Geth are, the EDI/Joker romance is more about dating advice and has less depth than Tali unzipping her suit, the actual Rannoch conflict (our microcosm of this conflict) is resolved peacefully by yelling at the Quarians to simply not fire for once in their lifetime.

 

The ending isn't wrong, but it's in the wrong story.


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That organics and synthetics end up having fights is about the only pattern that exists. There's nothing more significant about that than organics fighting each other. The Catalyst has hardcoded into it that that's the one it's supposed to deal with, nothing more.

 

The fact that the Catalyst claims something doesn't make me accept it. It's just bigoted. I'm not going to fall for an appeal to authority fallacy. Its long observation might have some weight in reality but this is fiction, and dealing with an issue that could at least theoretically happen in reality, so you can't just have a character claim anything you like and have me swallow it, and more than if it claimed some racist or sexist nonsense with "Hey, I've seen it!"

 

By the Catalyst's bizarre logic, Miranda, Oriana, Grunt, and an army of tank-bred krogan will destroy all life in the galaxy.

 

I mean, they're synthetic life too, aren't they? :whistle:



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That organics and synthetics end up having fights is about the only pattern that exists. There's nothing more significant about that than organics fighting each other. The Catalyst has hardcoded into it that that's the one it's supposed to deal with, nothing more.

 

The fact that the Catalyst claims something doesn't make me accept it. It's just bigoted. I'm not going to fall for an appeal to authority fallacy. Its long observation might have some weight in reality but this is fiction, and dealing with an issue that could at least theoretically happen in reality, so you can't just have a character claim anything you like and have me swallow it, and more than if it claimed some racist or sexist nonsense with "Hey, I've seen it!"

 

None of this emotional-driven speech changes anything. You don't have to accept it, you don't have to believe it, you don't have to agree with it. It doesn't matter what you feel. Those are the reasons the star brat are doing it, regardless. To it, it is right.

 

You know, for all the horrible problems with the ending and the butchering of the reapers... if there is one thing Bioware managed to pull off somewhat well is the fact that the reapers are supposed to be beyond our understanding. Clearly they are if so many are unwilling/incapable of understanding their motives even when the starbrat explicitly tells you.

 

Even funnier still is the how some people actually expect the reapers to give any kinds of a damn about morals.

 

As for the pattern of organics and synthetics... at least you admit it exists. Which is really the starbrats biggest 'justification' for it. You don't have to think its anymore significant than anything else. It doesn't matter. The point is that is the starbrats purpose, regardless of how important you feel it to be. Nothing we can say will change that. Anyone who expected to win a debate with the damn reapers are crazy. They're the reapers. Why Shepard spends so much time talking to the damn thing instead of just destroying them is beyond me.

 

 

I didn't need any fraking explanation of why the reapers were doing what they were doing. I just needed one thing. I needed the reapers to be dead. No Starbrat, no long dialogue with him, no choices. Just dead reapers.

 

The scene with Anderson after The Illusive Man conversation should have been the end. The Crucible should have fired right then and destroyed the reapers. They could have linked Shepard's survival to EMS if they wanted. They could have linked the fate of your entire team to EMS if they wanted. Your entire team should have participated in the charge to the beam. There should have been no guessing or speculation at the end. High EMS Shepard survives, and your team survives. Mod High Shepard survives, but you start losing team members. Moderate and lower Shepard dies, etc. Lowest EMS the Normandy is destroyed. They could have done that. State of the galaxy depends upon your EMS.

 

Of course, since for a sequel, they could pick high EMS and Shepard still retires to some far off world, the MEU lives on with no controversy.

 

I agree that would had been my preference. Though I do like that control is an option. If the ending was ONLY destroy with no variation I think it'd still get backlash, although for completely different reasons. Having some choice is good... long as they deliver it in a reasonable way. Which they didn't... I mean come on, synthesis, really? REALLY?

 

I'd be happy, though, since all I wanted was a destroy ending (MEHEM provides satisfaction here) but I can understand why some will be upset at the wasted potential of control and lack of variation. Before EC the endings were the exact same thing with different colors. BUT! The implications of the choice was very different, even if what it showed you was always the same. Synthesis, control and destroy are each very different choices. If the only ending was to destroy the reapers after all that build up in the game about controlling them being an option... I can see people being upset about that. Synthesis is the only option that comes completely out of the blue, really. Or, well, green, in this case.

 

I think the problem though with the ending isn't so much that's it's logically wrong (I don't have too big a problem with the Catalyst's logic), but rather that it's thematically wrong to involve this conflict as the center piece of the ending. Firstly, AI vs Organics wasn't a large part of the third game, or the trilogy even. In ME3 it was regulated to the Geth/Quarian arc, which was resolved; and maybe EDI's character arc, which was also resolved. By the time of the ending all this stuff has been put to rest so it's jarring to have it reinserted and suddenly take place as the central conflict in the last 15 minutes of the game, through an exposition dump, no less.

 


The bigger problem though is that the conflict as presented by the Catalyst represents a deeper conflict between the two than we ever see in the trilogy. The nature of the conflict involves that AI are fundamentally different beings having a greater capacity for knowledge, learning, less restraint by morals, etc; so much so that AI and organics can never live in peace unless the differences are removed by Synthesis. Again, this is fine but why is this never represented in the story proper, aside from maybe ME1? Instead the conflict that we see in the games is some weird analogy for racial tensions. It's not particularly deep but it's one the Rannoch arc repeatedly bludgeons the player with. Never do we get any kind of meaningful or deep insight on how to deal with such conflicts. Instead we get broad strokes about how sparing and freedom seeking the Geth are, the EDI/Joker romance is more about dating advice and has less depth than Tali unzipping her suit, the actual Rannoch conflict (our microcosm of this conflict) is resolved peacefully by yelling at the Quarians to simply not fire for once in their lifetime.

 

The ending isn't wrong, but it's in the wrong story.

 

 

 

Well, the entire premise of the series is to save organic life from sentient starships hell-bent on our destruction. Yes, granted, the reapers aren't actually AI's but you'd be probably be surprised how many people think of them as 'just machines'. They're still synthetics. Well, their bodies are anyway. First the geth, then the collectors (who are also partly synthetic per Mordin's "replaced my tech" speech) and ME3's actual reapers. Not to mention the fact that in that very game we had to deal with the geth war.

 

I suppose it comes down to a matter of opinion but to me synthetic vs organic played a big role in the series. Seeing how the galaxy resolved the geth issue was one of the things I was most looking forward to in ME3 (boy was I disappointed). That doesn't mean other things didn't play a role, however. Synthetic vs organic  wasn't the primary focus or theme of the series, by any means. It was, however, there throughout the entire trilogy. We've been dealing with synthetics from the beginning and it isn't unique to our cycle either. The leviathans, the starbrat and the protheans all share the same tale of conflict with machines. Everyone is telling us that the pattern is there.

 

If a momentary peace between the geth and quarians (potentially, some people just kill them) or Edi's romantic life is enough to resolve the issue of synthetics vs organics... Well, again, I guess its just a matter of how you perceive it. Personally I'm expecting another conflict with the geth sometime down the line. With vengeful quarians and insane scientists like Xen I don't see there being zero conflict.

 

All that being said however I will mention that, personally, I hate the catalyst. I find it to be the worst part about the ending. More so than even the synthesis bullshit. At least synthesis doesn't contradict all other established lore. i just don't feel like the synthetic conflict twist is out of place in the series. I would had preferred if we just NEVER found out about the reapers motives and crap and left them this big ominous mystery. I don't like 'defending' it in any capacity because I don't think it should exist, period. I just get tired of seeing people hating on it for all the wrong reasons. As if the only thing wrong with the starbrat is the fact that it views things differently than us.

 

Burn it, burn it with fire. Lol.


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It's not so much that a peaceful Rannoch solution proves the catalyst wrong (it doesn't), or that eventually some other race or situation will arise that would prove the Brat correct.

Every game in this series has, at it's core, revolved around the idea of cooperation to achieve the unlikely or impossible. From an Alliance vessel filled with aliens chasing down Saren, to a Cerberus ship crowded with such a variety of races to go where none have returned, and finally a galaxy-wide tour, intent on collecting the support of all races and philosophies to stop an unstopable foe. This entire series is built on the ideal that differences can be overcome and the galaxy is stronger for that variety.

But the carpet is pulled out from your feet at the end. Even if the Catalyst's mission is righteous, it denies any achievements Shep has accomplished as ultimately worthless. The only solution to conflict is eradication, domination or eugenics.

Did I expect Shep to survive? No. Did I think it'd be rainbows? I hoped not. But when the only solution that made me feel like the Mass Effect culture was victorious involved me killing off the Geth (who I tirelessly strove to keep alive) and EDI (who, with Joker, gave a glimpse of just how united Organics and Synthetics can be)... I mean, the only time Shep even sounds like Shep is when you're essentially giving up. That's a bigger problem than killing the protagonist.
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