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[GreyWarden4Life]

1. Return to Ostagar

 

2. The Golems of Amgarrak

 

Both of these should be added. Whether or not the player did the quest would affect certain outcomes in Dragon Age Inquisition in some manner.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

All DLC is already assumed to have happened. Except Mark of the Assassin for some reason.

[AshenEndymion]

1. Return to Ostagar

 

2. The Golems of Amgarrak

 

Both of these should be added. Whether or not the player did the quest would affect certain outcomes in Dragon Age Inquisition in some manner.

 

If the bolded part were actually true, choices from the two DLCs would be in the Keep.  Anything added at this point can't affect DAI in any way....

 

That said, there are only two "choices" involved in Return to Ostagar(Did you complete it, and how you treated Cailan's body), and only one choice involved in Golems of Amgarrak(did you complete it).  

[Devil's Avocado]

All DLC is already assumed to have happened. Except Mark of the Assassin for some reason.

it still happens, just whether Hawke was involved or not.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

it still happens, just whether Hawke was involved or not.

 

But why is that the only one that we get to decide if the player was involved in or not?

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

probably won't know till the game comes out 

[Devil's Avocado]

But why is that the only one that we get to decide if the player was involved in or not?

maybe it's critical to know whether hawke knows about these events/were involved in them, only the devs would know.

[AshenEndymion]

But why is that the only one that we get to decide if the player was involved in or not?

 
You can't decide if Hawke participates in Legacy because Corepheus cannot be released in Legacy without Hawke showing up(Hawke is the Key, remember?)...  And the people making DA have probably decided Corepheus is too important to some future plot point to allow players to choose to not have him present.  You get to choose if Hawke does Sebastian's DLC(by choosing not to recruit him).  You also get to choose if you did Mark of Assassin(by never meeting Talis).  And there are no choices in the Black Emporium, so why assume Hawke never had access to it?
 
The only DAO DLC you get to "choose" if the Warden participates in is Stone Prisoner.  But I don't see the issue with the Warden always having done Soldier's Peak(or Witch Hunt), even if you, personally, never did... (Edit: I struck that line because while you can choose not to recruit Shale...  But you still have to decide what happens with Kitty.  Which means the Warden does show up to Honnleath).

[Jedi Master of Orion]

What's the difference between Hawke meeting Tallis and the Warden meeting Avernus? Why is one optional and the other not?

[ChaosMarky]

Return to Ostagar and Golems of Amgarrak (while fun to play) didnt seem to have major choices with lasting consequences.. As a matter of fact, i dont remember making any choice/decision in Golems of Amgarrak. Return to Ostagar, however, might have one major plot choice:

 

1. Fate of King Cailan's body

 

Realistically though, what you do to his dead body doesn't seem to propose any sort of twist in DA:I (unless they make some sort of Zombie plot arc).. Probably why the Keep team decided it wasnt worth putting in the keep.

[AshenEndymion]

What's the difference between Hawke meeting Tallis and the Warden meeting Avernus? Why is one optional and the other not?

 

The difference between the two is as follows:  Tallis is capable of getting the Heart of the Many on her own, Hawke's participation helps her, but is ultimately not necessary.  Avernus and Sophia are both locked in the Keep.  Avernus has no intention of leaving because he's working on the taint, and Sophia can't leave unless she kills Avernus, but she's afraid of being beaten(which is why she hasn't tried to kill him by herself in ~300 years).  That situation wouldn't be resolved without the Warden.

 

Why is one optional but the other not?  I would assume it's related to some future plot...  Something requires Soldier's Keep to be available, but whether or not Hawke helped Tallis isn't as important to a specific storyline...

[Tenz83]

What's the difference between Hawke meeting Tallis and the Warden meeting Avernus? Why is one optional and the other not?

The only thing that comes to mind is that the plot choices that are not in the the Keep aren't important to the story Bioware wants to tell in the Inquisition. They can add the plot tiles later and address these in the next game or use the newer plot tiles as DLC for Inquisition even.

[Ieldra]

All DLC is already assumed to have happened. Except Mark of the Assassin for some reason.

You get two Tallis-related tiles in the companions tab. These are the only decisions made in MotA so it makes sense for them to be there. IIRC, there is an option "Never met Tallis" which would mean Hawke wasn't involved in the events at Chateau Haine but they still happened.

[TEWR]

You get two Tallis-related tiles in the companions tab. These are the only decisions made in MotA so it makes sense for them to be there. IIRC, there is an option "Never met Tallis" which would mean Hawke wasn't involved in the events at Chateau Haine but they still happened.

 

Well, there is "Helped a scholar" as a choice. It might not seem like much, but the Keep has some decisions that I didn't think would really mean much but apparently indicate they might.

 

Some of the Keep's choices are choices dependant on whether or not you even acceptedd the quest in the first place

[Janus198]

1. Return to Ostagar

 

2. The Golems of Amgarrak

 

Both of these should be added. Whether or not the player did the quest would affect certain outcomes in Dragon Age Inquisition in some manner.

Like the others the DLC events still happens.

 

1. In the Return to Ostagar DLC you have only the Cailans Body choice. I don´t count getting Cailans Armor as choice.

The question is it really that important after 10 or more years what happened to the corpse from the old King of Ferelden?

Cailan is still dead regardless what the Warden decides.

2. The Golems of Amgarrak is a DLC with zero decisions.

 

So why should these DLC be added? It would make more sense if they added an Elven Alienage section.

[Kantr]

They might get added as a record, but as they are a linear path there's no other decision to make. Ostegar might make a bit of sense except for the fact that Ferelden has better things to do than worry about what happened to Cailans corpse.

 

In the end the events happen even if we didnt do them ourselves, in the story the warden does go there.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

You get two Tallis-related tiles in the companions tab. These are the only decisions made in MotA so it makes sense for them to be there. IIRC, there is an option "Never met Tallis" which would mean Hawke wasn't involved in the events at Chateau Haine but they still happened.

 

Yeah I know. My point was why is there a "Never met Tallis" option when there is no "Did not encounter Avernus" option anymore?

[Kantr]

Maybe because you have to encounter him now?

[AshenEndymion]

Yeah I know. My point was why is there a "Never met Tallis" option when there is no "Did not encounter Avernus" option anymore?

 

Because the events at Chateau Haine happen whether Hawke was there or not...  Conversely, Avernus(and Sophia) must have been encountered by the Warden for Soldier's Peak to be "fixed"(because no one else is going to go to Soldier's Peak)...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It still seems like an arbitrary distinction. The events of the DLC can't happen the way they did without Hawke. The Hero of Ferelden is also always the Warden-Commander of Amaranthine if they survive the Fifth Blight even though we know somebody else could do it instead

[AshenEndymion]

It still seems like an arbitrary distinction. The events of the DLC can't happen the way they did without Hawke. The Hero of Ferelden is also always the Warden-Commander of Amaranthine if they survive the Fifth Blight even though we know somebody else could do it instead

 

The events of Asunder can't happen the way they did without Wynne, either... But Wynne sure as hell wasn't alive after DAO in one of my playthroughs(she was killed at the Circle).  Without Wynne, the events of Asunder still happen, but Evangeline gets her life back in some other way(assuming she gets brought back to life at all), and Rhys becomes leader of the Aquetarians in some other fashion(or someone more suited to the role, but who agrees with Fiona is)....

 

Just because Hawke isn't at Chateau Haine, doesn't mean Tallis cannot get to the Heart of the Many... It just means Hawke wasn't there to help.

 

Just because the Warden can be replaced in Awakening, doesn't mean that Dryden would ever go to anyone else...  He went to the Warden, and it's required that the Warden went to Soldier's Peak.  If you want to make it as close to the idea that the Warden didn't, choose the options to not drink the concoction and kill them both....

[dekarserverbot]

If the bolded part were actually true, choices from the two DLCs would be in the Keep.  Anything added at this point can't affect DAI in any way....
 
That said, there are only two "choices" involved in Return to Ostagar(Did you complete it, and how you treated Cailan's body), and only one choice involved in Golems of Amgarrak(did you complete it).

Wasn't Gollems of Agamarrak just a bonus stage like NANCY-MI847J in Tekken? I never felt it was storywise or relevant, heck GA has less decitions that DA2 in the saga! even Lelianna song (or as i preffer to call it: DA2 prequel) was more important.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The events of Asunder can't happen the way they did without Wynne, either... But Wynne sure as hell wasn't alive after DAO in one of my playthroughs(she was killed at the Circle).  Without Wynne, the events of Asunder still happen, but Evangeline gets her life back in some other way(assuming she gets brought back to life at all), and Rhys becomes leader of the Aquetarians in some other fashion(or someone more suited to the role, but who agrees with Fiona is)....

 

Just because Hawke isn't at Chateau Haine, doesn't mean Tallis cannot get to the Heart of the Many... It just means Hawke wasn't there to help.

 

Just because the Warden can be replaced in Awakening, doesn't mean that Dryden would ever go to anyone else...  He went to the Warden, and it's required that the Warden went to Soldier's Peak.  If you want to make it as close to the idea that the Warden didn't, choose the options to not drink the concoction and kill them both....

 

You could finesse your way through all the DLC if you try. All that is needed to free Corypheus is Hawke's blood. Not even a whole lot of it apparently, so maybe the Carta caused Hawke, Bethany or Carver to bleed and got what they needed to free him. Maybe Avernus or the demon found a way to kill the other.

 

I'm just saying it probably ought to be consistent. Either all DLC always happened or they all happened with somebody else like Mass Effect 3.

[AshenEndymion]

You could finesse your way through all the DLC if you try. All that is needed to free Corypheus is Hawke's blood. Not even a whole lot of it apparently, so maybe the Carta caused Hawke, Bethany or Carver to bleed and got what they needed to free him. Maybe Avernus or the demon found a way to kill the other.

 

I'm just saying it probably ought to be consistent. Either all DLC always happened or they all happened with somebody else like Mass Effect 3.

 

I thought it was consistent...  All the events of each DLC happened, and the PC's participation in the events is only optional if the events themselves could not have taken place without their presence.

 

No one is getting close enough to get Hawke's blood and surviving said encounter long enough to return to the Vinmark Mountains.  And while the Carta could have used Hawke's sibling's blood, that would require said sibling to be alive, which isn't guaranteed.  Therefore, Hawke must have participated in Legacy.

 

The only "inconsistency" with the above is Sebastian's DLC and Stone Prisoner, if choosing not to recruit the party members...  For Shale, it's Cadesh Thaig, and for Sebastian the Act 2 and 3 quests may not have happened....  But those events may not have happened even if you did recruit them, so that's kind of a wash at the moment.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I thought it was consistent...  All the events of each DLC happened, and the PC's participation in the events is only optional if the events themselves could not have taken place without their presence.

 

No one is getting close enough to get Hawke's blood and surviving said encounter long enough to return to the Vinmark Mountains.  And while the Carta could have used Hawke's sibling's blood, that would require said sibling to be alive, which isn't guaranteed.  Therefore, Hawke must have participated in Legacy.

 

The only "inconsistency" with the above is Sebastian's DLC, if choosing not to recruit him...  The Act 2 and 3 quests may not have happened(but they may not have happened if you did recruit him, so that's kind of a wash at the moment).

 

Awakening could have taken place without the presence of the Hero of Ferelden, but it doesn't.

 

EDIT: And really there is no lore reason why a Carta dwarf couldn't have injured one of the Hawkes and fled. Especially since there is no canon point in the timeline where it occurs.