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[RedIntifada]

She is an incorrigible troll and baiter, and is best ignored altogether. 

 

Yes. It is her baiting that is responsible for the death threats... Lets blame women for the violence directed at them. BS

[PhroXenGold]

Whole debate and movement is about corruption in game "journalism". Game developers shouldn't sleep with game "journalists" who then write positive articles about that developer's game.
Game journalists admitted incestous relationship with game developers.

 

The probelm with Gamergate is twofold. Firstly, the allegations weren't true, there was no "sex for good reviews" thing going on. Secondly, the vast majority of the hatred coming from it was directed not at the journalists who had allegedly violated their ethics, but the woman who had sex with them. While raising the issue of potential corruption was a worthy goal, it quickly descended into blatant misogyny based on unsubstantiated rumours.

[Star fury]

Everybody gets death threats on the internet. And just because a few take part in that act(which the rest of GamerGate condemns them for) that should not change the entire focus of GamerGate. It is not about sexism or feminism.

Pretty much. Journalist who covers this debate also got death threats.

[Roamingmachine]

I won't even dignify this...'head feminist' by naming her. Long story short, she makes outrageous claims about things that are popular in order to get a reaction and attention. She's has done more damage to the feminist cause with her trolling than any misogynist neanderthal could ever hope to do. Best thing to do is to ignore her.

[Star fury]

1. The people she allegedly slept with never reviewed her game. 2. IF they did then it is there breach of ethics not hers, but the sexism of this movement is focusing things on women and started by punishing a woman for her personal life.

It's not "alleged", Kotaku editor confirmed that his employee had an affair with that developer. He also wrote a positive article about her. Then most game bloggers decided to silence debate even going as far as asking Escapist editor to ban discussion on his forum.

[Scerene]

yes i remember that. Dont particularly like her. Seems to look for things to nitpick and ignores everything else. The elf origin depicts how marginalized groups are treated in reality, and yes she conveniently ignored the part where you can slaughter all of the people who hurt you, unlike in reality where someone who is oppressed very rarely gets that luxury. She didnt seem to be interested in making the point that, for that reason, getting revenge in a game like DAO could actually be empowering. She also ignored the fact that some of the most powerful people in DA are female, the divine for one. There a lot of examples where men are brutalized, and/or in need of rescuing by the female warden. 

[PhroXenGold]

Yes. It is her baiting that is responsible for the death threats... Lets blame women for the violence directed at them. BS

 

I'm pretty sure that's not what the post you quoted was saying. Sarkessian deliberatly lies and misrepresents games in order to gain publicity. As such, the correct thing to do is to ignore her. That doesn't mean that the abuse she recieves is her fault, or that it is any way justified. But at the same time, the fact the she recieves such abuse shouldn't be used to hide the fact that she spouts bullcrap to gain publicity.

[RedIntifada]

It's not "alleged", Kotaku editor confirmed that his employee had an affair with that developer. He also wrote a positive article about her.

This is what they confirmed:

http://kotaku.com/in...-pos-1624707346

[Rockpopple]

Just sayin': that Colbert Report segment was hilarious. Even if you're a "GamerGater", you should find it funny.

[lynroy]

Ugh, can we not discuss this? I just ate.

[Fandango]

Just sayin': that Colbert Report segment was hilarious. Even if you're a "GamerGater", you should find it funny.

Switched off at Ms. Pac-Man. Manifestly not funny.

[Scerene]

People who sent death threats must be jailed. But some game bloggers started writing articles like "Gamers are dead", that's a incredibly stupid and inexcusable.

Oh please, all that melodrama over this is making me gag, its a good thing ive been hardened after all these years of bs, otherwise my computer screen would be covered in vomit right now. Gamers as a whole, especially the ones who wrap their entire identity around that cheesy term, are pathetic enough to justifiably be ridiculed. Why anybody would care about a bunch of pointless articles enough to be ignited into some kind of self-righteous rage over it is beyond me, especially when it involves making death threats and forming a laughable online gamer "terrorist" group. I can just imagine a bunch of losers frothing at the mouth in front of their computer screen feeling bad ass for fighting the "good fight".

[RenAdaar]

This is why we can't have nice things.

[BloodyTalon]

How do I post on this thread in a politically correct way?

[JerZey CJ]

Oh please, all that melodrama over this is making me gag, its a good thing ive been hardened after all these years of bs, otherwise my computer screen would be covered in vomit right now. Gamers as a whole, especially the ones who wrap their entire identity around that cheesy term, are pathetic enough to justifiably be ridiculed. Why anybody would care about a bunch of pointless articles enough to be ignited into some kind of self-righteous rage over it is beyond me, especially when it involves making death threats and forming a laughable online gamer "terrorist" group. I can just imagine a bunch of losers frothing at the mouth in front of their computer screen feeling bad ass for fighting the "good fight".

Please, tell me what group you're talking about, because it isn't GamerGate.

[Eledran]

There is a HUGE difference between a sexist game and a game portraying a sexist world. In this particular case it's not even sexism imo, but racism.

What he said.

 

Now, Anita Sarkeesian does have a few valid points in her videos. Lets not forget that in MANY games "the female sidekick" is just there because they needed " a pretty woman who reads lines" and for pretty much nothing else.

 

But while I don't follow her closely, she does seem to have a nasty habit of cutting out just the parts which are meant to prove her point. So I'm guessing she didn't show how said female city elf proceeded to brutally murder her oppressors? Mine did in each case

[lynroy]

How do I post on this thread in a political correct way?

You can't.

[Stronglav]

Is it too late to run for popcorn?

[JerZey CJ]

Is it too late to run for popcorn?

Thread might be locked by the time you get back. Run like the wind!

[n7stormrunner]

How do I post on this thread in a politically correct way?

 

You can't.

 

 

yep...

 

though I have to ask. why do people pick on bioware games for things like this... 

[RedIntifada]

As the statement from kotaku points out the guy never reviewed her game and mentioned her in an article prior to their relationship. How this could even getting half the attention of cases of AAA game companies pressuring favorable reviews out of gamespot... Only through sexism.

[Star fury]

Oh please, all that melodrama over this is making me gag, its a good thing ive been hardened after all these years of bs, otherwise my computer screen would be covered in vomit right now. Gamers as a whole, especially the ones who wrap their entire identity around that cheesy term, are pathetic enough to justifiably be ridiculed. Why anybody would care about a bunch of pointless articles enough to be ignited into some kind of self-righteous rage over it is beyond me, especially when it involves making death threats and forming a laughable online gamer "terrorist" group. I can just imagine a bunch of losers frothing at the mouth in front of their computer screen feeling bad ass for fighting the "good fight".

You seem upset.
If you hate and despise gamers so much, don't post on a game forum. Problem solved.

[BronzTrooper]

I saw that and they took a clip from the PBS that was released over a week ago to represent the whole thing about GamerGate.  Really, I don't think Sarky plays any of the games she complains about, so she likely doesn't realize that 1) BW is the absolute last developer she should be criticizing, and 2) there are games that don't use scenes of violence towards women as a way to add drama, but as ways to deepen plot and possibly character development, hence providing meaning to such instances.

 

She mentioned that women were represented as objects or 'damsels in distress' instead of strong and independent characters in gaming, which is a ton of BS.  I can name multiple characters in gaming that are strong-willed and very independent, but it is likely that she'd consider them to be characters that can 'easily be replaced by male characters with similar personalities'.  tbf, every single character can be replaced by a character of the opposite gender as long as they have a similar personality.  It's not hard to do if said characters aren't already established, but once they're out there, trying to switch their gender just won't work.

 

Really, I think that Sarky should try to distance herself from her feelings and ask herself if having certain content in certain games makes sense for plot and character development, or if it's just there because "Ooh!  Drama!".  But then, that would mean she has to actually play the games she complains about first, which I doubt she will.