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[King Of Winter]

Well i been thinking since this morning ferelden,orlais and nevarra all have heir issues first cailin and anora didn't have a child same if anora re marries celene doesn't have one same for king marcus what I'm saying I'm tried of seeing this like these people claim they love they country but risk a civil hell if you give anora the throne she never merrys again idk if they made it like.that or bad writing i woke up kinda mad :/ but what's next civil war in nevarra

[herkles]

but what's next civil war in nevarra

 

Very likely, not certain, we might be able to prevent it IG but who knows. Anyways. The current king Markus Pentaghast is an aging man and soon will die, unfortunatly he has no children. So the next in line is his brother Ferdinand, who incidentally is also old and also without children. That means the future of the throne will go to another part of the family. It could be resolved without conflict, but unlikely as other nobles might want to depose them. 

 

I am sure Cassandra will have more to say on the matter IG being that she is a part of the Pentaghast royal family. 

[azarhal]

Not having an heir doesn't necessarily result in a civil war, that only happen when the nobles of the lands don't agree on who the successor should be.

 

In the case of Nevarra, the Pentaghasts let the Van Markham rule Nevarra for ~100 years, they used marriage to retake the throne, not blood shed. They seem more interested in keeping Hunter Fell (for 1000+ years) really.

Ferelden is an elective monarchy with the Landsmeet thingy, so they could elect whoever they went after Anora's death.

 

Orlais is just a mess.

[Kieran G.]

well Starkhaven, Kirkwall, Ferelden, Orlais, Nevarra all are having problems with heirs.

[Cerulione]

We don't know yet whether Alistair and Anora/Alistair/Anora won't have any children at all or not. Since what's written at DA:O epilogue are just rumours. Starkhaven has a ruler, Sebastian's distant cousin.

 

Kirkwall's a lost cause...

[ElessarisElendil]

We don't know yet whether Alistair and Anora/Alistair/Anora won't have any children at all or not. Since what's written at DA:O epilogue are just rumours. Starkhaven has a ruler, Sebastian's distant cousin.

 

Kirkwall's a lost cause...

Aren't Grey Wardens sterile??? If not then I doubt my Warden'd slack in the babies department. I believe in my 4th playthrough I didn't romance anybody and had Loghain slay the archdemon, and ended up as Prince-Consort.

[Killdren88]

Alistair's Bastard with Morrigan if you took the DR with Alistair.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I don't think any of Thedas' nations are hereditary monarchy (meaning the son of the king gets the throne, after the king's death). Most of the nations seem to be elective monarchy, meaning that a collection of nobles appoint their candidate, and the next king is chosen from this pool.

 

So none of the nations' regency is actually in any danger. It is the respective dynasties that may be in danger.

[herkles]

I don't think any of Thedas' nations are hereditary monarchy (meaning the son of the king gets the throne, after the king's death). Most of the nations seem to be elective monarchy, meaning that a collection of nobles appoint their candidate, and the next king is chosen from this pool.

 

So none of the nations' regency is actually in any danger. It is the respective dynasties that may be in danger.

 

A nation that is a hereditary monarchy has quite a lot of different ways to decide succession. First you are refering to agnatic primogeniture, this means tracing it through the male line. There are other versions of Primogeniture, including absolute, where gender doesn't matter just age, to Utrine(eldest daughter). Their is also semi-Salic where women can inhairite if no male is available.

 

The reverse of that is Ultimogeniture which is succession by the youngest child not oldest. 

There is also senority, where the eldest family member gets the throne. So your brother not your son. 

There is Gavelkind, where the land is split between children. 

[AltanIV]

Aren't Grey Wardens sterile??? 

 

They aren't, although they'll have a hard time having children. Two Wardens can't have a child together but a Warden can have a child with an untainted individual, as it happened with Maric and Fiona. 

 

As for Gavelkind, the main title goes to the eldest son right ?

[EmperorSahlertz]

A nation that is a hereditary monarchy has quite a lot of different ways to decide succession. First you are refering to agnatic primogeniture, this means tracing it through the male line. There are other versions of Primogeniture, including absolute, where gender doesn't matter just age, to Utrine(eldest daughter). Their is also semi-Salic where women can inhairite if no male is available.

 

The reverse of that is Ultimogeniture which is succession by the youngest child not oldest. 

There is also senority, where the eldest family member gets the throne. So your brother not your son. 

There is Gavelkind, where the land is split between children. 

I was simplifying it so that those unfamiliar with the differences would catch up..... And no matter how you do it, hereditary monarchy is defined by the title being passed down through family. None of the Thedosian nations seem to be hereditary monarchies, with the exception of MAYBE Nevarra.

[Krothar]

Aren't Grey Wardens sterile??? If not then I doubt my Warden'd slack in the babies department. I believe in my 4th playthrough I didn't romance anybody and had Loghain slay the archdemon, and ended up as Prince-Consort.

 

They're definitely not sterile. The Dark Ritual proves this. It is stated that Grey Warden's don't usually get married, however, due to their lifestyle and, well, shorter live. Plus it probably isn't that well known how the joining affects offspring.

 

Imagine the harm if certain aspects of it could be passed on that way, I'd certainly not be too keen of making babies if its a possibility. 

[R0vena]

They're definitely not sterile. The Dark Ritual proves this. It is stated that Grey Warden's don't usually get married, however, due to their lifestyle and, well, shorter live. Plus it probably isn't that well known how the joining affects offspring.

 

Imagine the harm if certain aspects of it could be passed on that way, I'd certainly not be too keen of making babies if its a possibility. 

Doesn't Morrigan reject Riordan as a possible candidate for DR because he was a Grey Warden for too long and is sterile because of it? I always thought it meant GW become sterile with time, just not right away after Joining.

[herkles]

I was simplifying it so that those unfamiliar with the differences would catch up..... And no matter how you do it, hereditary monarchy is defined by the title being passed down through family. None of the Thedosian nations seem to be hereditary monarchies, with the exception of MAYBE Nevarra.

 

 

I assume that the Tevinter Imperium has a byzantine nature of their Archon. Tevinter guys can tell me more, but from what the wiki says that it is based on connection, weather blood or master-apprentince to the previous archon. I would assume that like the Roman Empire during the Byzantine age, that it stays within one family for a while till the Archon is deposed by another family who then rule it for a while(this tended to happen rather often in the Byznatine empire)

 

Nevarra is a hereditary monarchy of some sort, I assume primgentior. I assume that because attention is explictly drawn to the fact that the king and his brother are old and childless and how that will cause chaos. 

 

Fereldan seems to be a hereditary Monarchy, being that it has a lot of anglo-saxon influences. The Landsmeet strikes me as rather similar to the Witenagemot. The Witenagmot's purpose was to advise the king, and they confirm the king who for the most part tended to be within the same bloodline. Just like how in Fereldan's royal family has been in the Therin Family since the founding. 

 

Anderfels we don't know how they decide on their king, not that it matters since the grey wardens run the show there. Likewise, Antivia is a monarchy of some sort, but like the Anderfels the Monarchy is weak and the true power rests in the Crows.  Similarly not sure how Rivian decides their monarchy as well. 

 

I am not sure of how the Orlaisian empire decides who is the next empire, but like tevinter it is also a land of scheming and byznatine politics. But I am not sure as to whom takes the throne when the previous emperor/empress dies. 

[Killdren88]

I thought it was that Grey Wardens can't have children. I know if a Grey Warden man is with a Normal woman there is a small chance for a baby..I imagine it works the same with a normal man and a female Warden.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I assume that the Tevinter Imperium has a byzantine nature of their Archon. Tevinter guys can tell me more, but from what the wiki says that it is based on connection, weather blood or master-apprentince to the previous archon. I would assume that like the Roman Empire during the Byzantine age, that it stays within one family for a while till the Archon is deposed by another family who then rule it for a while(this tended to happen rather often in the Byznatine empire)

 

Nevarra is a hereditary monarchy of some sort, I assume primgentior. I assume that because attention is explictly drawn to the fact that the king and his brother are old and childless and how that will cause chaos. 

 

Fereldan seems to be a hereditary Monarchy, being that it has a lot of anglo-saxon influences. The Landsmeet strikes me as rather similar to the Witenagemot. The Witenagmot's purpose was to advise the king, and they confirm the king who for the most part tended to be within the same bloodline. Just like how in Fereldan's royal family has been in the Therin Family since the founding. 

 

Anderfels we don't know how they decide on their king, not that it matters since the grey wardens run the show there. Likewise, Antivia is a monarchy of some sort, but like the Anderfels the Monarchy is weak and the true power rests in the Crows.  Similarly not sure how Rivian decides their monarchy as well. 

 

I am not sure of how the Orlaisian empire decides who is the next empire, but like tevinter it is also a land of scheming and byznatine politics. But I am not sure as to whom takes the throne when the previous emperor/empress dies. 

Most elective monarchies also had the crown remain within the same family for generations. Usually that was because the ruling family was the most influential, rich, stable and powerful family. Most of scandinavia used to be elective monarchies, and I definitely got more of a Mora Thing vibe from the Landsmeet than Witenagemot. Especially since the Landsmeet could theoretically have denied a Theirin blooded heir, and appointed a new king (should  be noted though that the Anglo-Saxons were elective monarchy aswell).

[Potato Cat]

Pretty sure every major power is supposed to be having problems with heirs. Hell, even the Chantry can't decide on its new Divine. It's just more and more problems for us to solve in future games. Plus, if one person offered more stability with the benefit of fully functioning reproductive organs, it would make sense to go for them over another. (Who wants to bet there's rumours of Gaspard's impotence in DAI?)

[Yermogi]

Aren't Grey Wardens sterile??? If not then I doubt my Warden'd slack in the babies department. I believe in my 4th playthrough I didn't romance anybody and had Loghain slay the archdemon, and ended up as Prince-Consort.

Most Wardens are unable to have children, yes. There are a few cases where they have been known to have kids with the taint. Example: Fiona, an Elven Warden mage, In one of the books (not sure which one) Fiona and Maric before he is king are lovers and have a child together- that child is Alistair. Granted, this story is in direct conflict with Origins, but she could be held up as an example.

[JasonPogo]

Most Wardens are unable to have children, yes. There are a few cases where they have been known to have kids with the taint. Example: Fiona, an Elven Warden mage, In one of the books (not sure which one) Fiona and Maric before he is king are lovers and have a child together- that child is Alistair. Granted, this story is in direct conflict with Origins, but she could be held up as an example.

 

Ok Fiona and Meric have the kid when Meric IS King not before.  And it is just dumb that they have all but confirmed that Alistair is said kid.  Bad writing as the stories from the book and game don't really add up...  And it makes Duncan a total jerk.

[herkles]

Ok Fiona and Meric have the kid when Meric IS King not before.  And it is just dumb that they have all but confirmed that Alistair is said kid.  Bad writing as the stories from the book and game don't really add up...  And it makes Duncan a total jerk.

 

Not to mention that fiona got cured of the taint, and then left the grey wardens to become the grand enchanter, and then decided to become one of the leaders in the mage rebellion. 

[Yermogi]

Not to mention that fiona got cured of the taint, and then left the grey wardens to become the grand enchanter, and then decided to become one of the leaders in the mage rebellion. 

Woah, woah, woah... she was CURED??? How the hell did they do that?! That's supposed to be IMPOSSIBLE.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Woah, woah, woah... she was CURED??? How the hell did they do that?! That's supposed to be IMPOSSIBLE.

Something stupid about an amulet and a spell being cast on her while wearing it, or something equally stupid..

[Yermogi]

Something stupid about an amulet and a spell being cast on her while wearing it, or something equally stupid..

What in the name of moon cheese kind of writing is THAT?! You can't get rid of the TAINT!! Alistair would have taken that as king in a heartbeat! Heck, EVERYONE would have done it in the Wardens!

[Kieran G.]

Aren't Grey Wardens sterile??? If not then I doubt my Warden'd slack in the babies department. I believe in my 4th playthrough I didn't romance anybody and had Loghain slay the archdemon, and ended up as Prince-Consort.

fiona disproved that.

[herkles]

fiona disproved that.

 

So this means that queen cousland and king alistair can be cured of the taint and get busy making an heir to the throne; same thing goes for a male warden and anora