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[Mawrak]

So, I found a strange choice in Dragon Age Act 3 Section. Choice is about Keran's fate. In the game Hawke can either kill him or let him go. But in Keep we have 3 options: Keran was killed, Keran left Templar Order, Keran returned to the Templars. So could someone explain to me what does third option mean? How can I get it?

 

Wiki says:

"Regardless of whether Keran stayed with or was dismissed from the Order, he takes part in a radical Templar-Mage group lead by Thrask which kidnaps Hawke's sibling or companion during the quest Best Served Cold. He claims to have been against the kidnapping, due to his own experience, and tells Hawke where to find them. He can then either be killed or released, in which case he leaves Kirkwall. If Keran is spared, he is later seen outside the Hanged Man, stating that he can't be a templar with Meredith in charge of the order."

 

I dont know, seems like bioware messed something up or added more options than there originaly were for some reason    

[Hexenkind23]

That is something I was wondering about too.
The first choice regarding keran was obvious and correct, but the second choice wasn't actually in the game, at least not in my game.^^

[aMetzgermeister]

Maybe he returned to the templars after you killed Meredith?

[DAJB]

Remember some options may have simply not appeared because of other choices you'd made elsewhere.

 

I have to say, one of the things I've found fascinating about the Tapestry is learning of things that I'd never even known were possible in-game. Sleeping with Gheyna instead of helping her to get together with Cammen? Would never have crossed my mind! Bethany becoming a Warden? I certainly don't remember ever being given that option!

 

The Tapestry is really revealing just how much more complex these games are than most of us probably realised ... or maybe it's just me!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I've wondered about this too. Does anyone know how you can turn Kerran over to the templars if it is the case that it is possible? I had the same question about convincing Dagna to stay in Orzammar.

[laecil]

for Dagna it's in the conversation with her in Orzamar and you can talk to her father he will forbid her to go if I remember well

[Jedi Master of Orion]

for Dagna it's in the conversation with her in Orzamar and you can talk to her father he will forbid her to go if I remember well

 

If you talk to him after talking to her he will ask you to convince her to stay but telling that to her just prompts the same reaction of "No. I'm not doing what they say."

[laecil]

After accepting the quest I remember that you can refuse to help her when talking to her once more if that's not the case then use the wiki

[Mawrak]

Remember some options may have simply not appeared because of other choices you'd made elsewhere.

 

I have to say, one of the things I've found fascinating about the Tapestry is learning of things that I'd never even known were possible in-game. Sleeping with Gheyna instead of helping her to get together with Cammen? Would never have crossed my mind! Bethany becoming a Warden? I certainly don't remember ever being given that option!

 

The Tapestry is really revealing just how much more complex these games are than most of us probably realised ... or maybe it's just me!

I read the wiki a lot, so I know about most of the choices. But this one is not in the wiki, and I dont remember it being in the game itself.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

After accepting the quest I remember that you can refuse to help her when talking to her once more if that's not the case then use the wiki

 

"Refuse to help Dagna" is in the Keep but it's a different choice than "Persuade Dagna to stay with her father."

 

In the case of Kerran, I think I once told him that I would tell Meredith but he still leaves the Templars.

[Hexenkind23]

http://dragonage.wik...nlikely_Scholar
Regarding dagna everything should be right according to the wiki.
 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't know if it's bugged for me but I've tried every dialogue possible after telling her that her father wants her to stay and she still never gives up her dream. In one case, she refuses to give up and runs off screen and the quest ends in the journal the same way it would for refusing to help her. But she's still standing in front of her father's store and you can talk to her about going to see the Circle for her.

[Ranadiel Marius]

So, I found a strange choice in Dragon Age Act 3 Section. Choice is about Keran's fate. In the game Hawke can either kill him or let him go. But in Keep we have 3 options: Keran was killed, Keran left Templar Order, Keran returned to the Templars. So could someone explain to me what does third option mean? How can I get it?

 

Wiki says:

"Regardless of whether Keran stayed with or was dismissed from the Order, he takes part in a radical Templar-Mage group lead by Thrask which kidnaps Hawke's sibling or companion during the quest Best Served Cold. He claims to have been against the kidnapping, due to his own experience, and tells Hawke where to find them. He can then either be killed or released, in which case he leaves Kirkwall. If Keran is spared, he is later seen outside the Hanged Man, stating that he can't be a templar with Meredith in charge of the order."

 

I dont know, seems like bioware messed something up or added more options than there originaly were for some reason    

The descriptions for two of the three options are messed up. I believe what the options are supposed to be are Spare Keran, Kill Keran, or turn him in as a conspirator to the Templars (option is in the wiki page for Best Served Cold but not Keran himself). First option and third option have descriptions that should probably go with the options for him during Act 1.

 

 

Remember some options may have simply not appeared because of other choices you'd made elsewhere.

 

That is not true, all options are always visible.

[dsl08002]

The one in act 3 is in the wrong place. I have send many messages regading this. It should be in act 1

[Kantr]

Remember some options may have simply not appeared because of other choices you'd made elsewhere.

 

I have to say, one of the things I've found fascinating about the Tapestry is learning of things that I'd never even known were possible in-game. Sleeping with Gheyna instead of helping her to get together with Cammen? Would never have crossed my mind! Bethany becoming a Warden? I certainly don't remember ever being given that option!

 

The Tapestry is really revealing just how much more complex these games are than most of us probably realised ... or maybe it's just me!

You cant sleep with her though?

 

Yea, if you take either sib to the Deep roads they become a Grey Warden, although it doesnt suit Bethany

 

The one in act 3 is in the wrong place. I have send many messages regading this. It should be in act 1

 

All act 3 choices are in fact happening in act 3.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

There still hasn't been a specific answer regarding the third choice for Kerran in Act 3.

[AshenEndymion]

Under the Best Served Cold section of the wiki, it reads:

Keran may be here if he lived and is with the Templars; he will tell you that someone close to you has been kidnapped by the rebels and that they have been taken to a hideout on the Wounded Coast. At this point you have the choice of

-Letting Keran go:  Aveline: rivalry (+10)  Sebastian: friendship (+10)
-Turning him in to the Knight-Commander:  Merrill: rivalry (+10),  Varric: rivalry (+5), l Aveline: friendship (+5).
-Killing him:  If you have Merrill in your party and you choose to kill him, she'll say not to, that he is not responsible. If you decide to kill him still it will result in Merrill: rivalry (+5). If Sebastian is in your party, he protests that Keran merely got in over his head, something that doesn't merit death; choosing to kill him results in Sebastian: rivalry (+10).

So, I'm not seeing the issue.  All three options are represented in the Keep... And all three options are valid in the game(although, I think the option to turn Kerras in to the Knight-Commander requires you to have been given the quest by Meredith, which means being pro-Templar or neutral to that point in the game).

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Under the Best Served Cold section of the wiki, it reads:

So, I'm not seeing the issue.  All three options are represented in the Keep... And all three options are valid in the game(although, I think the option to turn Kerras in to the Knight-Commander requires you to have been given the quest by Meredith, which means being pro-Templar or neutral to that point in the game).

 

I just replayed the quest with my Pro-templar Hawke. I told Kerran that I would let the templars decide what to do with him. After defeating Grace and her minions, I went to Meredith and named him as one of the conspirators along with Thrask and Grace. Kerran still appears in Lowtown free and no-longer working for the templars. So how is there a third option?

[AshenEndymion]

I just replayed the quest with my Pro-templar Hawke. I told Kerran that I would let the templars decide what to do with him. After defeating Grace and her minions, I went to Meredith and named him as one of the conspirators along with Thrask and Grace. Kerran still appears in Lowtown free and no-longer working for the templars. So how is there a third option?

 
If you let Keran go, he leaves the Templars and is found in Lothering.  If you turned him in, he's found in Lothering not working for the Templars.  So, clearly, Keran was allowed to live by Meredith, and he was kicked out of the Templars.

 

Are you complaining that Meredith let Keran live?  That can't be, because "it's the same choice as killing him yourself"(/sarcasm)...

 

Hell, the difference between the two could be that Keran deserted the Templars if you just let him go...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

 
If you let Keran go, he leaves the Templars and is found in Lothering.  If you turned him in, he's found in Lothering not working for the Templars.  So, clearly, Keran was allowed to live by Meredith, and he was kicked out of the Templars.

 

Are you complaining that Meredith let Keran live?  That can't be, because "it's the same choice as killing him yourself"(/sarcasm)...

 

Hell, the difference between the two could be that Keran deserted the Templars if you just let him go...

 

But then it's the exact same choice. There is no literally not the slightest difference in what happens to him. He even thanks the Champion for his life, not Meredith. And he is free even when Meredith makes a point of executing every other member of the conspiracy. It seems there is only two choices. Plus the Keep doesn't say he left the templars for the third choice, it says that he rejoined the templars under close watch.

 

If Meredith did have him executed, that would still be a different choice than Hawke executing him.

 

This and the Dagna choice almost seem like whoever put them in the Keep based it on reading the wiki rather than what is actually possible in the game.

 

Also I'm assuming you meant Lowtown, and not Lothering.

[AshenEndymion]

But then it's the exact same choice. There is no literally not the slightest difference in what happens to him. He even thanks the Champion for his life, not Meredith. And he is free even when Meredith makes a point of executing every other member of the conspiracy. It seems there is only two choices. Plus the Keep doesn't say he left the templars for the third choice, it says that he rejoined the templars under close watch.

 

If Meredith did have him executed, that would still be a different choice than Hawke executing him.

 

If Meredith had executed Keran, he'd be dead.  If Hawke executes Keran, Keran is dead.  Keran is dead in both decisions, so it's the same choice.(/sarcasm)

 

The bit above is the logic you are using.  If Keran is alive, kicked out of the templars, and in Lowtown after being sent to the Knight Commander by Hawke, that is not the same thing as Keran leaving the Templars on his own(likely through desertion), and being in Lowtown.

 

This and the Dagna choice almost seem like whoever put them in the Keep based it on reading the wiki rather than what is actually possible in the game.

 

Both are actually possible in the game.  Your failure to see them in the game, doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the Keep....

[Jedi Master of Orion]

If Meredith had executed Keran, he'd be dead.  If Hawke executes Keran, Keran is dead.  Keran is dead in both decisions, so it's the same choice.(/sarcasm)

 

The bit above is the logic you are using.  If Keran is alive, kicked out of the templars, and in Lowtown after being sent to the Knight Commander by Hawke, that is not the same thing as Keran leaving the Templars on his own(likely through desertion), and being in Lowtown.

 

 

Both are actually possible in the game.  Your failure to see them in the game, doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the Keep....

 

There is no evidence that either are possible that has been presented in the thread so far. The wiki says they are but I followed exactly what the wiki says and neither happened. The wiki is fan made and has mistakes.

 

The Keep doesn't say that Meredith spared Kerran and he left the templars. It says he rejoined the templars. That does not happen. If that is the case, there are only two choices. Even if it didn't say that, there is zero impact on Kerran's in game content. If Meredith executed him that would be different content then Hawke executing him.

[AshenEndymion]

There is no evidence that either are possible that has been presented in the thread so far. The wiki says they are but I followed exactly what the wiki says and neither happened. The wiki is fan made and has mistakes.

 

There is no evidence that neither are possible that has been presented in this thread thus far.  I have done both.  You claim you can't.  You don't believe me, I don't believe you when you say you've done everything, and it still won't happen....  The Wiki agrees with me, you don't believe the wiki... We're at an impasse.

 

 

The Keep doesn't say that Meredith spared Kerran and he left the templars. It says he rejoined the templars. That does not happen. If that is the case, there are only two choices. Even if it didn't say that, there is zero impact on Kerran's in game content. If Meredith executed him that would be different content then Hawke executing him.

 

The Keep doesn't say Keran rejoined the Templars.  It says he's given to the Templars.  That does happen. Yes, he shows up after that point in Lowtown, but he was still given to the Templars, but that he's alive and not in the Templars means he was kicked out of the Templars, rather than leaving of his own will(which, again, I think he deserted, so he didn't actually quit).

 

Again, the logic you're using seems to be: Hawke let's Keran go, Keran quits Templars. = Meredith fires Keran from Templars, let's Keran go(again, Keran is alive, and he's not in the Templars).... Which means that if I use that logic, and If Meredith had executed Keran, he'd be dead.  And that is the exact same result when you choose for Hawke to kill Keran.  Thus there would be no difference between the choices.    So, based on that logic, Hawke executing Keran = Meredith executing Keran.

 

And the two choices aren't the same...

[Shadow_krono]

The bit about ragna i think you need  a high persuasion, and about keran I remember he says that he won´t WORK for the templars while meredith is in charge (if you hand him over), not that he deserted per se.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

There is no evidence that neither are possible that has been presented in this thread thus far.  I have done both.  You claim you can't.  You don't believe me, I don't believe you when you say you've done everything, and it still won't happen....  The Wiki agrees with me, you don't believe the wiki... We're at an impasse.

 

You've just said that they are possible and quoted the wiki page. You haven't said exactly how. That isn't evidence.

 

The Keep doesn't say Keran rejoined the Templars.  It says he's given to the Templars.  That does happen. Yes, he shows up after that point in Lowtown, but he was still given to the Templars, but that he's alive and not in the Templars means he was kicked out of the Templars, rather than leaving of his own will(which, again, I think he deserted, so he didn't actually quit).
 

 

Yes it does. Go read the description in the Keep again. It says "Kerran rejoined the templars under Knight-Captain Cullen's discretion and a promise to keep a very close eye on the recruit."

 

That does not happen.

 

Moreover, his dialogue is identical. There is no mention of him ever being in Templar custody by Cullen or Meredith or Kerran. There is no animation of templars taking him away. He even says he's going straight to Lowtown if you tell him that you will let the templars decide his fate and he always shows up there. There is no reason to think he was ever given to the templars. Especially in cases where Meredith doesn't show mercy to the conspirators.