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[Kurt M.]

In recent story, there have been many rifles that were considered so effective in combat, they earned the title of "winning a certain war". Examples of those are the Winchester rifle in the mid-19th century, or the M1 Garand in WWII.

 

Now, considering that, even if they are categorized as ultra-rares at the requisitions' office (although the Normandy could also mini-fabricate them), I think they're still common enough to have a significant impact in the war, and that they can be considered to be the weapon that beat the Reapers. They're relatively light, have excellent handling (I imagine), does a lot of damage, and have pretty amazing overall accuracy for an assault rifle. I think they're just the right candidate for that title

 

Opinions?

[cap and gown]

The Lancer is the rifle that wins MY wars.

[Excella Gionne]

I hardly use Assault Rifles unless I'm too lazy to aim and just want to get things done faster.

[Farangbaa]

Lancer and Mattock all the time all day long.

[themikefest]

Mattlock. I like the weapon. I use it the most

[Kurt M.]

The Lancer is good, but the only real advantage it has over the Harrier is it's ammo system.

 

And as much as I love the Mattock (after all, I'm gonna have a ME2 playthought using it 100% of the time), it's still merely a non-auto Harrier.

 

-sigh-...in my dreams, I have a Harrier whose auto fire can be turned off and on like many modern guns nowadays. Now that's a weapon I'd take to hell itself

[Vazgen]

Lore-wise: N7 Valkyrie

Gameplay-wise: Mattock

 

Though I currently use Avenger and it's quite good

[Kurt M.]

Lore-wise: N7 Valkyrie

 

...you'll have to explain me that.

 

It only says that the Valkyrie is issued to new recruits, not that it's a favourite. And actual war experience proves otherwise.

[cap and gown]

You do realize you are saying a weapon made by Cerberus, which was allied with the Reapers, is what won the Reaper war?

[Kurt M.]

You do realize you are saying a weapon made by Cerberus, which was allied with the Reapers, is what won the Reaper war?

 

...and that was leaked into the Normandy and then to the Alliance. Like if it's the first time a war is won because of a major screw-up from the enemy

 

The only reason I could find for the Harrier not winning that title is it's relative rarity. That's more of a reason than being Cerberus'.

[Vazgen]

...you'll have to explain me that.

 

It only says that the Valkyrie is issued to new recruits, not that it's a favourite. And actual war experience proves otherwise.

Avenger is the most common and reliable firearm for troops. N7 Valkyrie is upgraded Avenger. It's the new standard issue rifle of the Alliance

[Probe Away]

I think it has to be the Avenger or the Predator (tho not actually a 'rifle') because they're in all the cutscenes.  They're the 'Hollywood' guns.

 

If the Harrier/Lancer/Mattock was a soldier, he would be one of those no-fuss, get-the-job-done kinda guys who is happy to let others get the attention and the accolades, even if they are less deserving.

[Kurt M.]

Avenger is the most common and reliable firearm for troops. N7 Valkyrie is upgraded Avenger. It's the new standard issue rifle of the Alliance

 

And militias have been using the Mattock for decades, and the Illusive Man already remarked it's reliability. And the Harrier is an updated Mattock.

 

The Valkyrie may be Alliance's standart issue, but I bet the only reason for that is because the Mattock/Harrier just followed a parallel pathway with them. Not because they're better.

[Vazgen]

And militias have been using the Mattock for decades, and the Illusive Man already remarked it's reliability. And the Harrier is an updated Mattock.

 

The Valkyrie may be Alliance's standard issue, but I bet the only reason for that is because the Mattock/Harrier just followed a parallel pathway with them. Not because they're better.

Maybe, I can't really say. But I doubt that Alliance propaganda will praise Cerberus engineers for producing a state-of-the-art weapon. They'll advertise Valkyrie as the best gun ever, even if it loses to Harrier in everything except cost. "The rifle that won the Reaper war" would not be the one that was designed by the enemy

[Valmar]

Technically it was a predator pistol that won the war. Though for rifles it'd have to be the Avenger since its the only one we ever see them using in cutscenes.

 

In all seriousness though I'm not sure I could consider the Harrier as the winner. Correct me if I'm wrong but that is a DLC item, no? I find it hard to believe that the majority of players bought the weapon packs. Though I will say the effectiveness of it makes it one of the best rifles in the game, imo.

 

I can't really give a solid opinion since I never really used the rifles outside of multiplayer.

[Kurt M.]

Maybe, I can't really say. But I doubt that Alliance propaganda will praise Cerberus engineers for producing a state-of-the-art weapon. They'll advertise Valkyrie as the best gun ever, even if it loses to Harrier in everything except cost. "The rifle that won the Reaper war" would not be the one that was designed by the enemy

 

I agree on that, but not making propaganda of it doesn't change the fact of what it is

 

And propaganda may work on civilians, but people on the front lines couldn't care less about it's origin. If a weapon is more effective than another, they'll pick up the best of them, even if it was designed by the devil himself.

 

When survivability is on the line, very few people would limit themselves in terms of firepower just because of those reasons.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Depends on your definition of "rifle" and "win."

[Vazgen]

I agree on that, but not making propaganda of it doesn't change the fact of what it is

 

And propaganda may work on civilians, but people on the front lines couldn't care less about it's origin. If a weapon is more effective than another, they'll pick up the best of them, even if it was designed by the devil himself.

 

When survivability is on the line, very few people would limit themselves in terms of firepower just because of those reasons.

Assuming those people have the luxury of choosing their weapons Common front line soldier will almost certainly never get a Harrier because it's costly to make. Valkyrie will be much more widespread and recognizable.

[Kurt M.]

Depends on your definition of "rifle" and "win."

 

"Assault" and "Obliverate all enemies in your path"?

 

 

Assuming those people have the luxury of choosing their weapons   Common front line soldier will almost certainly never get a Harrier because it's costly to make. Valkyrie will be much more widespread and recognizable.

 

No, I don't believe even for a second that the Harrier is a expensive weapon to make. It should be nearly as cheap as a Mattock, as only internal components were modified. I think it's rarity comes more from being relatively new in the "market" than anything else.

 

After all, the same can be said about the Valkyrie being an Ultra-Rare despite being "standart issue"....

[DrBlingzle]

I'd say the avenger. We see almost all forces facing the reapers (Alliance, Turians, quarians, etc, etc) using that weapon. It's kind of like the AK47 of mass effect, except used by professional military as well.

[Kurt M.]

I'd say the avenger. We see almost all forces facing the reapers (Alliance, Turians, quarians, etc, etc) using that weapon. It's kind of like the AK47 of mass effect, except used by professional military as well.

 

Being standart issue doesn't mean being an outstanding rifle...

[ImaginaryMatter]

For the most part the Harrier was only used by Cerberus troopers, so I think it was closer to being the weapon that lost the war.

 

The weapon that won the war was probably the Avenger because it was pretty much the only weapon people used.

[cap and gown]

Isn't the Carnifex the weapon that wins the war? That's what Shepard uses to shoot the tube.

[Kurt M.]

For the most part the Harrier was only used by Cerberus troopers, so I think it was closer to being the weapon that lost the war.

 

...and yet no Cerberus troops are seeing using the Harrier (even Centurions use the Mattock instead).

 

That.....may actually be a small plot hole

[Vazgen]

No, I don't believe even for a second that the Harrier is a expensive weapon to make. It should be nearly as cheap as a Mattock, as only internal components were modified. I think it's rarity comes more from being relatively new in the "market" than anything else.

 

After all, the same can be said about the Valkyrie being an Ultra-Rare despite being "standart issue"....

Harrier: "As such, the weapon is typically utilized by Cerberus’s elite troopers who train constantly to make every burst count."

Valkyrie: "A variation of the popular Avenger design, the Valkyrie is now standard issue for new recruits. Exceptionally well-crafted, accurate, and packing ample firepower, the rifle is a hot black-market item when it surfaces."

 

Valkyrie is more common