Isn't the Carnifex the weapon that wins the war? That's what Shepard uses to shoot the tube.
I don't know if that actually was the Carnifex. The Carnifex is a weapon that uses Thermal Clips, whatever Shepard was using was one of those less superior version that never has to be reloaded.
Harrier: "As such, the weapon is typically utilized by Cerberus’s elite troopers who train constantly to make every burst count."
Valkyrie: "A variation of the popular Avenger design, the Valkyrie is now standard issue for new recruits. Exceptionally well-crafted, accurate, and packing ample firepower, the rifle is a hot black-market item when it surfaces."
Valkyrie is more common
Standart issue, but still ultra-rare in the RO's. Thus proving my theory.
Besides, there are also RL historical precedents of that: StG-44
A weapon developed by the nazis which is considered by many as the very first assault rifle. Gave some amazing results in war, but it came too late as to make a significant effect on it's outcome.
The Harrier and the Valkyrie may be the same, although with a bit more time than the '44.
Being standart issue doesn't mean being an outstanding rifle...
No but the fact that it is cheap and easy to build and upgrade as well as it being reliable, versatile and (from my experience) quite effective means it is an affordable, effective weapon. Yes, you could get better weapons but they would be too expensive to outfit an entire army with and you could probably get cheaper weapons but they wouldn't be good enough to effectively fight the reapers. The fact that almost every military force uses the avenger supports this.
Standart issue, but still ultra-rare in the RO's. Thus proving my theory.
Besides, there are also RL historical precedents of that: StG-44
A weapon developed by the nazis which is considered by many as the very first assault rifle. Gave some amazing results in war, but it came too late as to make a significant effect on it's outcome.
The Harrier and the Valkyrie may be the same, although with a bit more time than the '44.
According to its description, Valkyrie was manufactured "after the carnage of the Battle of the Citadel" so it was present when the war started.
I actually doubt that there will be any "rifle that won the Reaper war". Not like those weapons make huge difference against the Reapers - spaceships size of skyscrapers.
No but the fact that it is cheap and easy to build and upgrade as well as it being reliable, versatile and (from my experience) quite effective means it is an affordable, effective weapon. Yes, you could get better weapons but they would be too expensive to outfit an entire army with and you could probably get cheaper weapons but they wouldn't be good enough to effectively fight the reapers. The fact that almost every military force uses the avenger supports this.
Thing is that I don't imagine the Harrier being difficult to build, unreliable or non-versatile. And as I said, I don't believe it's expensive. I believe it's ultra-rare mostly because of how recent it is. After all, the probable story behind it is the Illusive Man's getting the idea of giving Mattocks to Shepard's team from Miranda and EDI in 2185, then noticing how freakin' good Shepard was with that rifle, and thus giving it to Cerberus R&D, who created the Harrier. So it's a rifle from 2186, or 2185 at worst. No wonder it's ultra-rare.
I actually doubt that there will be any "rifle that won the Reaper war". Not like those weapons make huge difference against the Reapers - spaceships size of skyscrapers.
...I'm talking about the Reapers' ground forces, obviously 
Against actual Reapers, the gun that won the war was the f***** Thanix cannon.
Against actual Reapers, the gun that won the war was the f***** Thanix cannon.
Everyone should have mass produced the M-920 Cain. The Reapers wouldn't know what hit them.
Everyone should have mass produced the M-920 Cain. The Reapers wouldn't know what hit them.
I've always thought that the Alliance should have spent all their resources into just mass-producing Cobra missiles. War would've been a walk in the park then
even so we hardly ever see the harrier being used whereas the avenger is seen almost everywhere. There is probably a reason for this (too expensive, hard to upgrade or build, etc, etc) and at the end of the day I'm willing to bet that far more reaper forces were killed by Avengers than Harriers.Thing is that I don't imagine the Harrier being difficult to build, unreliable or non-versatile. And as I said, I don't believe it's expensive. I believe it's ultra-rare mostly because of how recent it is. After all, the probable story behind it is the Illusive Man's getting the idea of giving Mattocks to Shepard's team from Miranda and EDI in 2185, then noticing how freakin' good Shepard was with that rifle, and thus giving it to Cerberus R&D, who created the Harrier. So it's a rifle from 2186, or 2185 at worst. No wonder it's ultra-rare.
Just send in an army of Elcor each with 3 Cains strapped to their backs.Everyone should have mass produced the M-920 Cain. The Reapers wouldn't know what hit them.
even so we hardly ever see the harrier being used whereas the avenger is seen almost everywhere. There is probably a reason for this (too expensive, hard to upgrade or build, etc, etc) and at the end of the day I'm willing to bet that far more reaper forces were killed by Avengers than Harriers.
...thing is that I cannot argue with that.
Maybe I should change the title to something like "Is the Harrier "the rifle that could have won the Reaper war, if it was given enough time to do it?""
I'm with DrBlingzle on this one. Even though the Avenger is not the best AR available it is still the one that won the war. Not because it out gunned all other guns but because it was the single most widespread weapon out of the bunch. Practically everyone in the game was using this weapon. Even if the soldiers with harriers were on the battlefield everyday I don't think their kill count could outnumber the avengers due to the sheer number of troops using them. I may not be the rifle that deserves it on the principle of being the best but it certainly earns it on the fact that it is most used and therefor responsible for the most reaper deaths.
That being said I believe the "everyone uses avengers in cutscenes" thing is more of an game limitation and not really indicative of the lore. Though at the same time that does seem to be countered by the fact that the avengers are considered standard gear. I feel like its a limitation mainly because there are so many cases where the cutscene will change whatever gun you're holding into an avenger. So maybe its a limitation that they just made into lore to give it a better excuse, I don't know.
Honestly though the guns seem pretty inconsistent. I mean we have some guns that describe themselves being widely-used or even 'default' such as the Phaeston with turians yet in the game we hear a turian soldier complaining on the Citadel about they keep using the Elkoss products, who happen to be the ones who make Avengers. In dialogue its one thing, in codex its one thing, in cutscenes its one thing... make up your mind, game. Lol.
Everyone should have mass produced the M-920 Cain. The Reapers wouldn't know what hit them.
Nor would the planet you're on. Can you imagine an entire military force firing those things off? Hell of a view from orbit, I imagine. The world would look like a flickering light bulb.
In the game we hear a turian soldier complaining on the Citadel about they keep using the Elkoss products, who happen to be the ones who make Avengers.
...that alone speaks of their quality.
Have in mind that when I was referring to "rifle who won the war", I mostly had in mind it's quality, not it's widespread, as of the RL examples I put on my first post.
Then again, I keep thinking the Harrier had the most potential of all, if only given enough time and if the Alliance removed that "Made by Cerberus™" tag. Heck, technically Cerberus is a splinter group from the Alliance. They could even say the've practically made it themselves 
Honestly I don't see why the rifle being made by Cerberus would make any difference to people using it. There is a war going on, after all. Plus its a damn fine rifle.
Anyway, again, I'm not trying to say the Avenger is the best rifle. We seem to have different ideas behind what the phrase "won the war" should mean. I associate that with being the weapon most responsible for the victory. With that in mind I believe the Avenger has raked in more reaper kills then any other weapon. Not because its a reaper pwning machine but because its the thing everyone in the galaxy seems to be using to combat the reapers. If everyone was using spears (and somehow actually won) I'd say the spear was what won the war. I'm basing it off what contributed the most to the victory, not what one is better suited for achieving victory.
If you're asking what rifle has the most quality. Hm. It depends on the context of the situation. Since the context is the reaper troops... I want to say the Typhoon. Its heavy but when dealing with hordes of husks it could pay off to have a portable turrent in your arms. Though since its so heavy it may not be practical for otherwise untrained civies to use it to protect themselves. The harrier would be better for that. Though on the other hand the typhoon has a much larger ammo capacity which could offset the civies lack of aim. The harrier however requires a bit of finesse to use effectively. My vote is on the typhoon. It wrecks up the place three times over before needing to reload. Plus it has the face shield to protect those special eyes AND innate armor penetration.
For the most part the Harrier was only used by Cerberus troopers, so I think it was closer to being the weapon that lost the war.
The weapon that largely inconvenienced the war maybe.
Garand is so overrated, clever marketing though I'll give them that. Standard issue doesn't make a rifle the best but if its the one every used then it's hard to argue that it didn't do it's job if you won. Alliance forces were all mostly armed with Avengers and the Predator, so it stands to reason the Marauders Phaeston and whatever the cannibals had was outclassed as were Cerberus with the mattock/carnifex combo.
Try taking an avenger into MP though and you're gonna have a bad time.
Lancer for me every time no reloads, quick cooling, decent ROF and the power to back it up.
@Valmar agreed allied forces were known to take German STG-44's when they found them some Americans in Vietnam used captured AK47's before they fixed the M16 some of their special forces are known to take Kalashnikovs for certain scenarios today. In the end a soldier will use the best weapon they can get their hands on.
lol, only gimped up soldiers use that cerberus POS, real studs- (like infiltrators or Vanguards), use their respective Black Widows or Claymores. Which ever you prefer.
lol, only gimped up soldiers use that cerberus POS, real studs- (like infiltrators or Vanguards), use their respective Black Widows or Claymores. Which ever you prefer.
Bah, the Claymore is junk. Single shot per clip and short-range only? This ain't some bug hunt in a ventilation shaft; I gotta smite at all distances.
The Avenger.
It might not be the player favorite, but lorewise it is the standard issue. Most NPC soldiers are armed with Avengers, including non-humans like the Turians and Asari.
I miss my HMWA X. With the heat reduction mods it could spray enough fire to whittle the moon down to a golf ball.
Just make sure it's not a hanar moon. They're already mad at Jack.I miss my HMWA X. With the heat reduction mods it could spray enough fire to whittle the moon down to a golf ball.
In recent story, there have been many rifles that were considered so effective in combat, they earned the title of "winning a certain war". Examples of those are the Winchester rifle in the mid-19th century, or the M1 Garand in WWII.
C'mon it's obviously the Avenger. That thing is deadly on full-auto. That's why everyone uses it.
Take that thing into a Gold pug in MP (no gear on) and you'll pwn everything.
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