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[LPPrince]

Didn't Leigh Alexander say something about her "being game journalism"?

 

I remember reading something like that and thinking, "How far does X have to be up your Y to say something like that?"

 

Tuned her out after that.

[Clover Rider]

I really think Film Crit Hulk's article on gamergate should be here.

 

http://badassdigest....tting-the-hulk/

 

 

[Hellion Rex]

I tried to play the first game on 360. Combat was great, but the story was so hard to understand I dropped it early. I watched it played instead.

 

Bayonetta herself is cool as *expletive* though.

 

An absolute badass!

[Lady Nuggins]

Nah, the problem is that people are actually discussing the actual topics she brings up but an extremely small number of people claim to be part of that group, attack her, she gets loud about it, and then people jump to the conclusion that "people attack Sarkeesian herself instead of discussing the actual topics she brings up" implying its a widespread thing. Which makes the group actually talking about it(people in this thread, ourselves included) painted as villains.

 

Her getting attacked is an issue, but its one of several that don't need to exist. Being attacked is not permission to attack others.

 

Every single thread about her on this forum has been more about her credibility than the actual points she raises, including this one.  I'm not only talking about the actual harassment she makes, I'm talking about how people make it about the messenger instead of the message.  

 

I heard Sarkeesian couldn't name three video games during her time on Colbert's show, that true?

 

She said she can and chose not to, because it is more important to talk about the industry as a whole than to focus on a few of the worst offenders.  If she had named three video games, everyone here would be talking about how she "cherry picked" those three games.

[General TSAR]

She said she can and chose not to, 

Riiiiiggghhhttt.

[Hellion Rex]

I heard Sarkeesian couldn't name three video games during her time on Colbert's show, that true?

Damn, she was on Colbert? How long ago was that?

[Hellion Rex]

Riiiiiggghhhttt.

In her defense though, if she makes so many videos on games, I think she could easily name 3 games.

[LPPrince]

Riiiiiggghhhttt.

 

There's martians in Zimbabwe. I know where they are, but I won't tell you, its not important, what is important is that space travel should be a thing

 

/backtothehomeworld

[Isichar]

Ishten, I'm gonna repost these videos you linked, because after watching them, OH MY GOD THIS LADY IS YES

 

 

 

BE MY MOM, LADY

 

MY SECOND MOM, I ALREADY HAVE ONE

 

AND MY ACTUAL MOM IS A CASUAL GAMER(Facebook+iPad games, folks)

 

dat brain

 

A formal debate between her and Anita? Yes please!

[LPPrince]

In her defense though, if she makes so many videos on games, I think she could easily name 3 games.

 

She should've named more than three. Take the question and turn it on the questioner by giving more than you're asked for, instead of deflecting.

[LPPrince]

dat brain

 

A formal debate between her and Anita? Yes please!

 

It would rock. I'd love to listen to it. Would be reminiscent of the debate between that creationist-scientist and Bill Nye.

[slimgrin]

I really think Film Crit Hulk's article on gamergate should be here.

 

http://badassdigest....tting-the-hulk/

 

As does this one:

 

http://egalitarianvi...rnalist-frauds/

[General TSAR]

dat brain

 

A formal debate between her and Anita? Yes please!

Not gonna happen, Sarkeesian would get logically curb stomped and her professional "damsel in distress" act would get outed.

[LPPrince]

That hulk one is too in-character and way too much for me to commit to, pls shorten hahaha

[Clover Rider]

Read it.

[Isichar]

Not gonna happen, Sarkeesian would get logically curb stomped and her professional "damsel in distress" act would get outed.

 

It would be sooooo fun to watch though. 1 sided formal debates is a guilty pleasure of mine.

[LPPrince]

It would be sooooo fun to watch though. 1 sided formal debates is a guilty pleasure of mine.

 

Dat Nye tho

[General TSAR]

There's martians in Zimbabwe. I know where they are, but I won't tell you, its not important, what is important is that space travel should be a thing

 

/backtothehomeworld

I know right?

 

Specific examples in logical arguments? Pfft.

[Isichar]

It would rock. I'd love to listen to it. Would be reminiscent of the debate between that creationist-scientist and Bill Nye.

 

YES! +10

 

Omg that's exactly what I was thinking of too dude!

[Hellion Rex]

She should've named more than three. Take the question and turn it on the questioner by giving more than you're asked for, instead of deflecting.

True, I agree with that. That would have been a good opportunity to heighten her credibility in my eyes. That said, I was just saying that she could easily name 3 games.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

 

Reposting this lol. He completely hammers her on the Hitman thing.

[daveliam]

She said she can and chose not to, because it is more important to talk about the industry as a whole than to focus on a few of the worst offenders.  If she had named three video games, everyone here would be talking about how she "cherry picked" those three games.

 

It's really not worth it to engage in this line of conversation, Nuggins.  She clearly can name many games because we've seen her do so in the videos.  This conversation is the equivalent of the middle school:

 

"You can't name <insert something everyone knows>." 

"Uh, why should I have to name that?  Everyone knows that already."
"Oh, see, you don't even know <thing everyone knows>"

 

I legit have not seen this argument since I was a high school teacher. 

[Treacherous J Slither]

I haven't read through this entire thread but I just want to say that I think that anyone who believes that sexism against women is rife in gaming and is a serious problem must not be very familiar with video games.

[LPPrince]

When I was in high school if a student made a claim like what she did, was asked for examples, and a deflection was made, the teacher would hold us accountable for it and keep asking until we gave examples. We were taught to be ready.

 

Lets not pretend this isn't something that could've been pushed. Three specific examples would not have been hard to give if she wanted to add credibility to her statements, so why not?

[slimgrin]

When I was in high school if a student made a claim like what she did, was asked for examples, and a deflection was made, the teacher would hold us accountable for it and keep asking until we gave examples. We were taught to be ready.

 

Lets not pretend this isn't something that could've been pushed. Three specific examples would not have been hard to give if she wanted to add credibility to her statements, so why not?