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Has this Anita Sarkeesian ever accomplished anything of actual significance or is she another one of those attention craving petty never-do-wells?

 

She's a scheming hack who's clueless about video games and is a master of inciting drama and arguments to give herself attention and money.


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Why on earth is this con artist getting so much attention?

 

"Gamers" gave it to her.

 

Blame the manchildren that spazzed out instead of just ignoring her and letting her silly videos fade into obscurity.


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Has this Anita Sarkeesian ever accomplished anything of actual significance or is she another one of those attention craving petty never-do-wells?

She is the host of Feminist Frequency, currently in the process of producing a series of videos entitled Tropes vs Women in video games. A box seat of 12 was originally slated for release in December 2013. I believe 5 have been released so far. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm on my phone and only going from memory.

There are many prominent examples of misogyny in gaming. Going through all of them would take longer than just one segment.
I think it might be beneficial in particular to point out Bioware's failings on this issue because they are and probably will listen to the criticisms.


While I don't doubt this might be the case, you agree with her assessment that BioWare has had cases where they perpetuate misogyny through their games? Any examples aside from the CE origin? Just curious.

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"Gamers" gave it to her.

 

Blame the manchildren that spazzed out instead of just ignoring her and letting her silly videos fade into obscurity.

 

Because calling out BS is being a man child. 



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EA loves her. I'm not kidding. Big companies want to parade her around like she's a mascot. So ask EA why she's so great. Ask the community moderators here, they have complete adoration for her. 

For what? What does she do? There are videos of her refuting her videos point by point. She got over a hundred thousand dollars, just sit and talk about stuff that isn't there, not even playing the game herself but taking photage without giving anyone credit.


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Because calling out BS is being a man child. 

 

Making death and rape threats against her is being a man child, which many people have done. She's scum, but they're no better.


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There is not doubt that the Arl's son and his friends are misogynists, so there is no need to make excuse for that. But in context to the story they are supposed to be there. There is no doubt that Bio could have done without the portrayal of rape, but this is not a child's game and in the context of the story it serves a point for later scenes where the player must make moral decisions on the Arl's disposition or immediate decisions about their own morality.
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"Gamers" gave it to her.

 

Blame the manchildren that spazzed out instead of just ignoring her and letting her silly videos fade into obscurity.

I would've thought EA were smarter than this. She's shitting on the games they publish even. How on earth was Dragon Age: Origin misogynistic?



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Making death and rape threats against her is being a man child, which many people have done. She's scum, but they're no better.

And the sky is still blue. We all know this.



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Stop the name calling, guys. I don't want this thread locked.

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Making death and rape threats against her is being a man child, which many people have done. She's scum, but they're no better.

 
Aye, that's given her so much material now and made gamers look even worst.
 
She's an idiot but anyone who makes a death/rape threat is a bigger idiot.
 
 

There is not doubt that the Arl's son and his friends are misogynists, so there is no need to make excuse for that. But in context to the story they are supposed to be there. There is no doubt that Bio could have done without the portrayal of rape, but this is not a child's game and in the context of the story it serves a point for later scenes where the player must make moral decisions on the Arl's disposition or immediate decisions about their own morality.

 
I believe the scene was fine. It was handled maturely along with the "rape." This is a game set in a dark fantasy universe that's not for children, if movies can tackle these subjects then games should be able to and I think Origins did fine. The Arl's song is indeed presented as a misogynist and the game doesn't glorify him, it presents him as a morally bankrupt person.


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There is not doubt that the Arl's son and his friends are misogynists, so there is no need to make excuse for that. But in context to the story they are supposed to be there. There is no doubt that Bio could have done without the portrayal of rape, but this is not a child's game and in the context of the story it serves a point for later scenes where the player must make moral decisions on the Arl's disposition or immediate decisions about their own morality.

 

A lot of people who shout for total inclusion and no bigotry in gaming are similar to those old Christian stereotypes who attacked villains in movies and TV shows as being evil influences, even though they were always portrayed as a bad guy you were meant to hate. Portraying a medieval society realistically, with villains you're meant to hate and fight, is apparently bigoted and wrong.


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Making death and rape threats against her is being a man child, which many people have done. She's scum, but they're no better.

 

I agree. But it has nothing to do with gamer/gaming etc. More with internet. I receive threat all the time by just commenting on youtube lol.



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As some of you may be aware, Anita Sarkeesian (the face of feminist frequency, a web series of feminist critiques on pop culture like video games) recently went on the Colbert Report to talk about feminist issues in gaming.

During the interview, she specifically singled out BioWare (through Dragon Age) as a 'prominent example of misogyny in the gaming industry'.

 yo

 

I don't think it is about feminism or misogyny for Sarkeesian.  What drives and fuels her is attention.  I'm sure she began as perfectly legitimate feminist v-blogger.. but focusing on gaming industry brought her so much money, fame and attention she figured it best to turn to new Jack Thompson. It made an awesome career move. Today, a legitimate media outlet can't seem to  talk about gaming without talking of her just now. If she were academic and reasonable, none of us would speak of her.

 

Her measure of fame  is remarkable achievement for somebody who has as little to do with gaming as she. I think majority of men and women alike who really take a closer look at her bs will learn to steer clear. Prominent, academic feminists, female gamers, male gamers have debunked much of what she is. Yet, because of commendable surface coating and reasons, her influence just keeps growing.

 

Just came across this very..thought provoking twitter rage from a female game dev.

http://i.imgur.com/CIz1wIJ.png

 

Also, I'd like to point out it is beautiful how we - now - get to speak of it. As long as Bioware wasn't targeted, these threads got an insta lock. It ticks me off Off topic section of gaming site gets to speak of significant things related on gaming culture mostly depending on whether BW's ass is on fire.

 

 

It is extremely unfortunate  how political correctness is starting to dominate pop culture and fiction as if it were 1950's all over again. Taboos having  changed doesn't make it any less regressive.  Absolutely repulsive amounts of  social justice for benefit of fictional characters in  fictional worlds  has ensured there are themes, characters, storylines that you just don't dare to explore anymore, as an AAA game. It is perfectly alright to kill, torture murder and beat up people. Nobody starts a Kickstartrer around that. At least if the fictional victims are men. But them gods help you if you create a character, or fictional world,  that is openly misogynist. There is steadily increasing pressure for devs to make - fictional worlds - that operate with moral compass and laws and rules written or otherwise that make them a reflection of 2010's Western world. It is dangerous, boring, stupid and completely unnecessary. 

 


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BioWareMod02 Right now:

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No, BiowareMod02 be like:

 

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"Gonna be handing out bans soon."


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Anita is getting rich because most of humanity isn't that smart.

 

I often get death threats on the internet, that's normal, so where is my money?


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Opening a thread in off topic in deference to Fernando Melo here: http://forum.bioware...men/?p=17622268

As some of you may be aware, Anita Sarkeesian (the face of feminist frequency, a web series of feminist critiques on pop culture like video games) recently went on the Colbert Report to talk about feminist issues in gaming.

During the interview, she specifically singled out BioWare (through Dragon Age) as a 'prominent example of misogyny in the gaming industry'.

Do you feel this claim by Sarkeesian is fair/unfair? Do you think BioWare is problematic when it comes to certain type of content? Do you believe they perpetuate misogyny in the gaming industry? Whether intentional or not. Discuss here.

Please take care to discuss the issue with civility as per Melo's request and don't use this topic to bring up irrelevant side topics. Thank you.

I don't get it, when did Sarkeesian single out BioWare during the interview? She never mentioned it on the show, the Colbert Report just borrowed a clip from a segment PBS did on Gamergate which presumably borrowed that footage from an episode of Tropes Vs. Women.


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Anita is a fraud and a scammer getting rich because most of humanity isn't that smart.

 

I often get death threats on the internet, that's normal, so where is my money?

 

Set up a Patreon, change name to Reconess.



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I wouldn't say Bioware is misogynistic but the Mass Effect team certainly raised my eyebrows at times with how they treated their female characters.



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I wouldn't say Bioware is misogynistic but the Mass Effect team certainly raised my eyebrows at times with how they treated their female characters.

 

Miranda seemed like a sex object to me. Whether this was from bad writing, misogyny, or both, I don't know, but I agree with you there.



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Has Anita said how the ability to punch the reporter in Mass Effect proves Bioware are bigots? Because that sounds like something she'd say.


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Has Anita said how the ability to punch the reporter in Mass Effect proves Bioware are bigots? Because that sounds like something she'd say.

 

Incredibly misogynistic if you ask me.



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Who else finds it hilarious that she's using Bioware games to further her agenda, despite the fact that Bioware is super pro social justice?

 

Whatever, this woman doesn't deserve the attention she's getting, but you can bet she'll get a lot of white knights and SJW to give her more cash and hire her for more seminars, and never once will they look into any deconstruction of her work.


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Making death and rape threats against her is being a man child, which many people have done. She's scum, but they're no better.

DO note that some threats have been confirmed to have been fake. Not saying they all are fake but some of the big ones where fake so she could play victim. She's a scam artist who does not even know what she is talking about(video games) she cherry picks, gets the info wrong and ignores anything positive.


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