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In fact I don't see how her being a romance option for males only has anything to do with who enjoys her butt fan service or not.
If availability mattered, they never would've let a male Shepard try to get things going with Sam until she reveals openly she's into women only.
So was Edi's body some rather creepy fan service then?
Lets be honest though, they did sex her up, along with Ashley.
Ashley was the one that really got under my skin. I don't know who that was, but that wasn't Ash from ME1 at all.
Calling out one scene in one game as problematic is a pretty far cry from calling the entire company misogynistic, which she did not do.
She could have told them don't use Origins as an example, they love me on Twitter, they flew me out to Sweden to advise on a major AAA title, they praise me to no end. Instead, she was either careless or complicit and she pissed on their reputation. It's kind of comical. That's what you get for siding with a scam artist.
EDI had mad toe-of-the-camel bro
You don't need to be a male Shepard to see the butt.
In fact I don't see how her being a romance option for males only has anything to do with who enjoys her butt fan service or not.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the devs had lesbian and bisexual women in mind when they did those scenes. What would be the point? To dangle an ass we couldn't have right in front of our faces?
Miranda was sexualized specifically because she's a romance option for straight men. Therefore it is pretty easy to assume that the fanservice involving her ass taking up half the screen was there for straight men.
She could have told them don't use Origins as an example, they love me on Twitter, they flew me out to Sweden to advise on a major AAA title, they praise me to no end. Instead, she was either careless or complicit and she pissed on their reputation. It's kind of comical. That's what you get for siding with a scam artist.
Okay, you seem to think that just because somebody likes a company that they should never criticize them.
I love Bioware. I wouldn't be here if I did not. That does not mean that I don't think some of their games occasionally have a bit of sexism mixed in. That doesn't mean I won't criticize them for putting out a bad game. Actually, I think most people on these boards are pretty okay with throwing criticism at Bioware when they think they need to hear it.
Just because Bioware is one of the better companies for putting out AAA games that avoid sexism does not mean they are above critique. In fact, I would say that it's more important to draw on these examples from games that are less explicitly sexist, just to show how widespread those tropes are. If all she ever focused on were the worst offenders, that would be cherry picking for the sake of shock value.
And yet I will still get her ass in my face if I'm playing a female Shepard.
Yeah, and if I'm playing a female Shepard I still run like a linebacker. The games were made with the male Shepard in mind first, and the cinematics reflect that. That doesn't mean female players were ever in mind for those scenes--in fact, it shows how little thought was given to us.
Miranda was sexualized specifically because she's a romance option for straight men. Therefore it is pretty easy to assume that the fanservice involving her ass taking up half the screen was there for straight men.
She could have told them don't use Origins as an example, they love me on Twitter, they flew me out to Sweden to advise on a major AAA title, they praise me to no end. Instead, she was either careless or complicit and she pissed on their reputation. It's kind of comical. That's what you get for siding with a scam artist.
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Okay, you seem to think that just because somebody likes a company that they should never criticize them.
I love Bioware. I wouldn't be here if I did not. That does not mean that I don't think some of their games occasionally have a bit of sexism mixed in. That doesn't mean I won't criticize them for putting out a bad game. Actually, I think most people on these boards are pretty okay with throwing criticism at Bioware when they think they need to hear it.
Just because Bioware is one of the better companies for putting out AAA games that avoid sexism does not mean they are above critique. In fact, I would say that it's more important to draw on these examples from games that are less explicitly sexist, just to show how widespread those tropes are. If all she ever focused on were the worst offenders, that would be cherry picking for the sake of shock value.
And is there a problem with this? That sort of thing sells. Miranda's father knew that such "assets" might prove useful to her.
And its not like the ladies didn't get some attention, see Thane.
"Sex sells" is a pretty flimsy excuse, man. If you like it or don't care, that's fine, but that's not much reason to tell someone else they shouldn't care.
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Really? Seems to me Bioware is at least *trying* to cater to everyone, even if they miss the mark on some points.
BTW how should femshep run then?
I never said they weren't. See my long post about how I love Bioware. That still doesn't mean they're above criticism.
Femshep should have had run animations that were not ripped directly from a body model twice her size. All the animations were made for male Shepard and then applied to her after the fact. That's not necessarily sexist, it's just a fact that the male players, and the male protagonist, were at the front of the dev's minds when they made those games.
Anyway, John Epler already said it best. If you guys think Bioware hates criticism, especially of a five-year-old game, then you don't know Bioware.
Ethics in gaming journalism 101:1. if a game developer praises you, stop pointing out when they mess up, because that'd hurt their reputation, yo.
Tropes are there to be used. I see no problem with them.
And I personally disliked the who EDI thing.
But I disliked a lot of thing about the ME direction.
I agree on the sexual objectification of women in video games. I thought Morrigan (initial outfit), Miranda, EDI in ME3, DA2 Isabella, the butt crack female medium armor in ME1, the female pole dancers, and quite possibly the Asari race, were examples of this - with some sort of explanation added to justify them (except maybe for the medium female armor in ME1). Ok, so really, in the instances I just mentioned, only the stripper pole dancers are characters that are ONLY sexualized window dressing.
But then summer came around here once again, and women were walking around in short shorts and yoga pants, and I thought... hmmm. Are men really doing this? Is it a society thing? Are games just an exaggerated reflection of society?
*Shrug* When we get to the point when Bioware (and video games as a whole) is sexualizing male characters (some ME1 male armor, ME Jacob, and DA Fenris were close, there are probably others out there), then there will at least be parity.
Yes. The interesting things is that games can be used to show stereotypes that we don't even know we have. Which is usually how stereotypes work since they're mostly subconscious unless someone calls you out on it or you have the insight available enough to notice it.
Nope I'm a realist you must have gotten the wrong impression.
I think you missed the sarcasm in there.
You seem to think they need an excuse. They don't, it's business."Sex sells" is a pretty flimsy excuse, man. If you like it or don't care, that's fine, but that's not much reason to tell someone else they shouldn't care.
Okay, you seem to think that just because somebody likes a company that they should never criticize them.
I love Bioware. I wouldn't be here if I did not. That does not mean that I don't think some of their games occasionally have a bit of sexism mixed in. That doesn't mean I won't criticize them for putting out a bad game. Actually, I think most people on these boards are pretty okay with throwing criticism at Bioware when they think they need to hear it.
Just because Bioware is one of the better companies for putting out AAA games that avoid sexism does not mean they are above critique. In fact, I would say that it's more important to draw on these examples from games that are less explicitly sexist, just to show how widespread those tropes are. If all she ever focused on were the worst offenders, that would be cherry picking for the sake of shock value.
Yeah, and if I'm playing a female Shepard I still run like a linebacker. The games were made with the male Shepard in mind first, and the cinematics reflect that. That doesn't mean female players were ever in mind for those scenes--in fact, it shows how little thought was given to us.
These are some serious mental gymnastics, but as usual, Anita can do no wrong in certain quarters. Of course I'm critical of Bioware, but them creating sexist content is laughable. Orgins being misogynistic is laughable. And my god, Miranda's ass is for straight white males. The horror! When did people get so bloody prude in all this?
Edit- I see Epler is already groveling. Classic.
You seem to think they need an excuse. They dont, it's business.
And I, a consumer, can criticize their business practices.
These are some serious mental gymnastics, but as usual, Anita can do no wrong in certain quarters. Of course I'm critical of Bioware, but them creating sexist content is laughable. Orgins being misogynistic is laughable. and my god, Miranda's ass is for straight white males. The horror! When did people get so bloody prude in all this?
Having re-read all of Nuggins responses I don't see her saying "ANITA CAN DO NOTHING WRONG".
And I, a consumer, can criticize their business practices.
Which is the general point of being a consumer.
And I, a consumer, can criticize their business practices.
"Sex sells" is a pretty flimsy excuse, man. If you like it or don't care, that's fine, but that's not much reason to tell someone else they shouldn't care.
I never said they weren't. See my long post about how I love Bioware. That still doesn't mean they're above criticism.
Femshep should have had run animations that were not ripped directly from a body model twice her size. All the animations were made for male Shepard and then applied to her after the fact. That's not necessarily sexist, it's just a fact that the male players, and the male protagonist, were at the front of the dev's minds when they made those games.
Anyway, John Epler already said it best. If you guys think Bioware hates criticism, especially of a five-year-old game, then you don't know Bioware.
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