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[sandalisthemaker]

*Sips tea while watching vewwy closely where this goes*

Just a little reminder, keep it civil, refrain from name calling, all that Jazz 

Thanks♥
 

 

OH MY GAWD YOU ARE SO FAAAAABULOUS. 

[Dermain]

Of course, but that doesn't mean those criticisms have any meret, Anita's sure don't.

 

Who is to say which criticisms have merit?

 

Do criticisms that you agree with have merit?

 

If you do not agree with them do they have merit?

[Lady Nuggins]

These are some serious mental gymnastics, but as usual, Anita can do no wrong in certain quarters. Of course I'm critical of Bioware, but them creating sexist content is laughable. Orgins being misogynistic is laughable. And my god, Miranda's ass is for straight white males. The horror! When did people get so bloody prude in all this?

 

Edit- I see Epler is already groveling. Classic.

 

LOL I'd love to see the day that John Epler would ever grovel.

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

One thing I've always been curious about this whole thing is this: Why is it that when something bad happens to a male character nobody thinks twice about it but when that same thing happens to a female character it causes an uproar? 

[slimgrin]

LOL I'd love to see the day that John Epler would ever grovel.

 

 

That's some grade A groveling. And what exactly is academic about Anita's approach? You don't have to answer, just pointing out the teleseminar background plays a larger role in her methods.

[LPPrince]

One thing I've always been curious about this whole thing is this: Why is it that when something bad happens to a male character nobody thinks twice about it but when that same thing happens to a female character it causes an uproar? 

 

People in or involved in some form with the game industry have become desensitized to male violence.

 

GTA V had a torture sequence with a male victim. No colossal uproar. Had the victim been a woman, the uproar would've been biblical, and women are the same as men, they're just humans.

 

There are problems on both sides. It appears though a commonly held thought is that we either have to become more sensitive to male violence or be totally desensitized to female violence.

[Dio Demon]

One thing I've always been curious about this whole thing is this: Why is it that when something bad happens to a male character nobody thinks twice about it but when that same thing happens to a female character it causes an uproar? 

It's because males in today's society are supposed to be these tough people that nothing bad ever happens to them. Whereas women are portrayed as victims in society. 

[sandalisthemaker]

One thing I've always been curious about this whole thing is this: Why is it that when something bad happens to a male character nobody thinks twice about it but when that same thing happens to a female character it causes an uproar? 

 

Because men are generally regarded as expendable in media. They can die horrible gruesome deaths by the truckload and it is often presented as matter of fact.

 

If a woman dies a horrible gruesome death, it is usually presented as a huge deal within the piece of work itself. 

[LPPrince]

It's because males in today's society are supposed to be these tough people that nothing bad ever happens to them. Whereas women are portrayed as victims in society. 

 

And because of this, males are typically portrayed as alphas in games. When they are not, its usually supposed to be humorous, or a way to depict a person as being weak in some fashion.

[Lady Nuggins]

That's some grade A groveling. And what exactly is academic about Anita's approach? You don't have to answer, just pointing out the teleseminar background plays a larger role in her methods.

 

"I don't always agree with her" is totally grovelling. 

 

Actually, her approach is quite academic, and I think one of the reasons people react so negatively to her methods is because they are not used to seeing an academic format applied to pop culture.  When I write an academic paper, I propose my thesis or theory, and then I set out to support it with examples.  That's basically exactly how each of her videos is formatted.

 

People in or involved in some form with the game industry have become desensitized to male violence.

 

GTA V had a torture sequence with a male victim. No colossal uproar. Had the victim been a woman, the uproar would've been biblical, and women are the same as men, they're just humans.

 

There are problems on both sides. It appears though a commonly held thought is that we either have to become more sensitive to male violence or be totally desensitized to female violence.

 

I thought there was a pretty big uproar with the torture sequence.  It's all I heard about when that game was released.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

People in or involved in some form with the game industry have become desensitized to male violence.

 

GTA V had a torture sequence with a male victim. No colossal uproar. Had the victim been a woman, the uproar would've been biblical, and women are the same as men, they're just humans.

 

There are problems on both sides. It appears though a commonly held thought is that we either have to become more sensitive to male violence or be totally desensitized to female violence.

It's because males in today's society are supposed to be these tough people that nothing bad ever happens to them. Whereas women are portrayed as victims in society. 

Because men are generally regarded as expendable in media. They can die horrible gruesome deaths by the truckload and it is often presented as matter of fact.

 

If a woman dies a horrible gruesome death, it is usually presented as a huge deal within the piece of work itself. 

Thank you for answering. I'm always curious to hear other people's opinion on this rather glaring double standard that exists. 

[LPPrince]

I thought there was a pretty big uproar with the torture sequence.  It's all I heard about when that game was released.

 

Nah, not that big. There were a few people bothered by it, but lets be real. Had the victim been a woman, there would be thousands of reports of "male on female assault/violence/torture" with a few people adding in a "for the enjoyment of male gamers at the expense of female gamers" with anyone pointing out its "human on human violence" getting left in the dust.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I miss Epler. I still don't know why he deleted me of his FL. It keeps me up at night. I cry myself to sleep sometimes.

[LPPrince]

Reminds me of what I mentioned before, the attack on Islam after 9/11.

 

If someone of a different religious belief does something negatively newsworthy its, "a white male age 42 has yadda yadda" but if they just so happen to be muslim, you hear, "a muslim woman age 33 has yadda yadda" because the media wants to use that to get a reaction out of whoever they're trying to manipulate.

 

Same thing happens with this movement. Man on man violence in games? Sure, whatever. Woman on man violence in games? No problem(I'm playing as a female character in Sunset Overdrive who's been killing many a male scavenger, no one's throwing any fits as far as I know). Man on woman violence in games? End of the world...of warcraft.

 

But where's Sarkeesian and co. on that? If we want equality, lets actually try to be equal instead of acting like ovarian cancer is the worst but testicular cancer can wait.

[BroBear Berbil]

Nah, not that big. There were a few people bothered by it, but lets be real. Had the victim been a woman, there would be thousands of reports of "male on female assault/violence/torture" with a few people adding in a "for the enjoyment of male gamers at the expense of female gamers" with anyone pointing out its "human on human violence" getting left in the dust.

 

You don't even have to look to hypotheticals to see how people would react if the roles were reversed. Just think back to the outrage in some corners when The Witcher 2 came out, with its torture scene of the baroness. Not only was she tortured, but her breasts were exposed!

 

It kind of makes the whole Leliana "torture" bit from the DA:I preview, where she's fully armored and there's not a scratch on her laughable in comparison. Obviously, BioWare does take this kind of criticism to heart.

[sandalisthemaker]

You don't even have to look to hypotheticals to see how people would react if the roles were reversed. Just think back to the outrage in some corners when The Witcher 2 came out, with its torture scene of the baroness. Not only was she tortured, but her breasts were exposed!

 

It kind of makes the whole Leliana "torture" bit from the DA:I preview, where she's fully armored and there's not a scratch on her laughable in comparison. Obviously, BioWare does take this kind of criticism to heart.

 

They did say that Leliana's appearance was altered in the demo to avoid spoilers.  I wonder what that means.

[daveliam]

Actually, her approach is quite academic, and I think one of the reasons people react so negatively to her methods is because they are not used to seeing an academic format applied to pop culture.  When I write an academic paper, I propose my thesis or theory, and then I set out to support it with examples.  That's basically exactly how each of her videos is formatted.

 

She's a mixture of blogger and academic and maybe that's why people are finding her credibility lacking.  She does do all of the things that you mention, but she also fails to acknowledge the context of the data, which (at least in my field) is a big, academic no-no.  If you are using subjective interpretations, then you should always include alternate interpretations or at least acknowledge that they exist (without outright dismissing them).  Social science research is filled with cherry picking of data to make a point, but it loses a little 'validity' (not a social science term, I know), when it's not acknowledged that it's cherry picked.

 

Other than that, yeah, she's pretty standard fair academic, including citing herself, which I saw as a critique earlier.  Most academics cite themselves because their work builds from one study to the next.  Otherwise, they'd never make any progress.  They just have to make sure to not only cite themselves, because then it's just circular logic. 

 

And, to be honest, this whole thread was created around a giant misrepresentation of her words, including actually quoting her with words that she didn't say in that video.  So, it's not like her opponents are paragons of research ethics themselves.....

[slimgrin]

You don't even have to look to hypotheticals to see how people would react if the roles were reversed. Just think back to the outrage in some corners when The Witcher 2 came out, with its torture scene of the baroness. Not only was she tortured, but her breasts were exposed!

 

It kind of makes the whole Leliana "torture" bit from the DA:I preview, where she's fully armored and there's not a scratch on her laughable in comparison. Obviously, BioWare does take this kind of criticism to heart.

 

Leliana looked like she was at the spa, recovering from a vigorous massage. But it's their choice to take such criticisms to heart. In sterilizing potentially offensive content, you never know where to stop. Anyone can be offended by anything.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Anita being called an academic...
Wut?

[BroBear Berbil]

Anita being called an academic...
Wut?

 

She's very academic, apparently. That's why the comments section is always closed, she never addresses the many counter-argument videos people have made, and she only debates a professional strawman like Colbert.

[Han Shot First]

They did say that Leliana's appearance was altered in the demo to avoid spoilers.  I wonder what that means.

 

She gets Fenris'd.

[daveliam]

Anita being called an academic...
Wut?

She's very academic, apparently. That's why the comments section is always closed, she never addresses the many counter-argument videos people have made, and she only debates a professional strawman like Colbert.

 

Do people not understand what the phrase "an academic" means?  You don't have to agree with her.  In fact, I disagree with the majority of other academics.  It's kind of the point.

[The Hierophant]

 
And, to be honest, this whole thread was created around a giant misrepresentation of her words, including actually quoting her with words that she didn't say in that video.  So, it's not like her opponents are paragons of research ethics themselves...

Hey if this is a jab at my thread "DId Sarkeesian take a corn filled diarrhea on David Gaider?", then I'll have you know that I learned my research ethics from the honest professionals at Kotaku, Polygon and Gawker.