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[Kyosukedei]

I Haven't played DA:O in years but I had a bunch of characters and I still have the SAVES on usb's and on my computer right now.

 

Question is that the Keep will not detect any of my charactes saves accept 1 (my elfy) which makes no sense to me. Do I have to reinstall the whole fking game + awakening and all the DLC just to UPLOAD and sync a save? isn't that sort of well beyond silly?

 

I've read all the diagonics and w/e sync threads which are of no help to me since apparently all my previous uploaded characters to the Social Bioware for DA:O no longer exist but somehow can upload on random character but not my other 5? what is this bs?

 

Just let me shove me save file somewhere and let it read the damn thing instead of SYNCING. Literally the dumbess thing i've seen in a while..  this 2014-2015 not 2005.

 

(In case this comes across as anger and hate well yea, I've been a supporter of Bioware games for a long time, and have been riding the Dragon Age train since Day 1 and I have to deal with this broken ****, doesn't matter if its beta or not, this should be the simplist of things to do).

 

Whats even sadder is that my achievements.caeer stuff for my Human Noble Characters are unlocked but the characters themselves are non-existent. My sadness knows no bounds...

[AlanC9]

Syncing doesn't do anything useful anyway. All you'll get is a name and pic for your Warden. Just start fresh.

[AshenEndymion]

First, what does your DAO Profile Diagnostics page say?(follow the link to see how to view it, be sure to read the whole thread if you're having issues)

 

If the only warden on that page is your elf(or any of them are corrupted), then the answer is yes, you will likely have to re-install the game to load up every other warden you want to use in the Keep.

 

Feel free to vent your frustrations, but remember that the synching issues aren't solely Bioware's fault... DAO likely didn't upload the information to begin with to the BSN profile, for whatever reason... But it's not the Keep's fault it can't read those files...  If you purchased the game prior to 6 months ago, it is your own fault for not checking up on the data on the BSN pages prior to now...

[KorganBloodAxe]

I have the same problem. I played origins on PC about 5 years ago and I can't remember enough to make the appropriate choices. I have kept my save game and my DA2 save game but have neither installed on my pc anymore. It is really unforgivable to not have some capability to import a save game. How about at least a utility that tells you the main decisions so you can manually enter them into the Keep. I will not purchase this game is there is not some capability in this regard. Is it even possible to change your heroes names in the Keep?!?!

 

Honestly I have never heard of a PC game that can't even transfer saves (when it should happen). Baldurs gate did it. The witcher did it, even though they used different engines (W1 -> W2). Only games that don't allow this are ones where it doesn't make sense i.e. Gothic 1/2/3.

 

 

 

Syncing doesn't do anything useful anyway. All you'll get is a name and pic for your Warden. Just start fresh.

 

Can you set the name in the keep without using sync? It would completely ruin my immersion if another wardens name came up.

[movieguyabw]

I'm not entirely sure I'm reading your post right - but from what I gather, you're wondering why you can't upload your savegame files to the Keep; because you've previously uninstalled Origins and DA2, and don't want to have to reinstall them...  is this correct?

 

If that's the case - the Keep doesn't get any information from the savegame files themselves.  All of the information comes from the Legacy site; and the only bit of information that is transfered over is the name of your characters, their profile picture, and basic info such as class/gender/origin/level.  All of those things are cosmetic when it comes to the Keep.  They don't really affect anything, as you can just as easily start fresh and choose a default hero of whatever class/gender/origin you wish.  Character names are something that they have said they're working on for the Keep, but it isn't implemented yet.

 

If your characters never were uploaded to the Legacy site, then the Keep can't sync them.  Again though, since the information the Keep gathers doesn't really affect much, it really isn't the end of the world.  As for why the syncing process?  There are a plethora of reasons that a savegame upload system wouldn't work, which (I believe) are summed up in the "Common Questions" topic, pinned at the top of this forum. 

 

 

Edit:  Also, if you're having problems remembering all of your choices, and are not able to load up previous savegames to check your journal, I would recommend this:   http://thedialoguewheel.wordpress.com/

 

And if you still are unsure, there's always the DA wiki as well. 

[AlanC9]

Honestly I have never heard of a PC game that can't even transfer saves (when it should happen). Baldurs gate did it.

All Baldur's Gate did was transfer your PC and a few items, of course. It didn't even remember who was dead and who wasn't.

I imagine they'll sort out the name thing for new Wardens soon enough. Kind of surprised they haven't already.

[Kyosukedei]

First, what does your DAO Profile Diagnostics page say?(follow the link to see how to view it, be sure to read the whole thread if you're having issues)

 

If the only warden on that page is your elf(or any of them are corrupted), then the answer is yes, you will likely have to re-install the game to load up every other warden you want to use in the Keep.

 

Feel free to vent your frustrations, but remember that the synching issues aren't solely Bioware's fault... DAO likely didn't upload the information to begin with to the BSN profile, for whatever reason... But it's not the Keep's fault it can't read those files...  If you purchased the game prior to 6 months ago, it is your own fault for not checking up on the data on the BSN pages prior to now...

 

 

To you're first point, i checked all that, if you read my post it says it doesn't have my old uploads from 4-5 years ago.

 

Second point re-downloading 25gb on data is not a "simple" thing in point that some people don't have all the bandwdith in the world (not saying I could saying its a silly point)

 

Third yes this is me venting, but saying its not Biowares fault is silly since Bioware was in charge that entire bloody section of data for half a decade, they bloody design that thing before they change it. Meaning they should've kept my old upload data. Third the dig page shows 0 again ZERO characters from my Origins list but somehow upload my Elf character with 0 career stuff, and none of my human characters but most of the career stuff. It's literally called BIOWARE SOCIAL NETWORK (BSN). (facepalm).

 

Also to moveguy, it has less to do with syncing, and uploading a file to a data turn, when it's literally more simplistic and realistic to have a system just scan a character save you can upload without requiring you to have the game installed or played within the last year that's unrealistic and simpley a broken concept.

 

Also simple things like NAMES and Looks DO matter. If you spend hundreds of hours making and playing characters a certain way YOU wanted to and you were TOLD you would be able to use those saves/character playthroughs in future games I would expect it to at least be in the realm of not giving people the middle finger who haven't played their game in a while.

 

I'm just bring up that Bioware has pretty much flopped on this method, and its disappointing the **** out of me (which sucks cause I already bought 3 copies of this game to gift out as well) and as a loyal Bioware follower I feel Like i got the stick, and we haven't even played the GAME yet.

[KorganBloodAxe]

Is there a utility to just extract your journal from a savegame or something like that? I tried that linked website and even with the prompting I just can't remember. I guess the only option is to re-install and load up the old saves which I am really not looking forward too.  If I do this are you certain the journal will have a record of all my decisions?

[movieguyabw]

So, wait, the characters *were* uploaded to the Legacy site?  Or were they not?

 

Because if they were, it could just be a matter of it taking a few hours for them to appear on the Keep.  Because of the recent influx of new Keep users, the devs have mentioned that some users might experience a bit of backlog.  It could be something else, however if you know that those characters were stored on the Legacy page then I would give it a couple hours then attempt to resync.

 

If they *weren't* uploaded to the Legacy site, however - then that means that you never gave Bioware access to those characters in the first place.

 

 

As for the scanning a savegame - couple problems go along with that.  Only savegames that they would be able to open would be PC ones.  Console gamers wouldn't be able to get their saves scanned.  Not to mention the savefiles themselves were rather buggy.  Aside from all of that, it'd be hard for them to pull the profile picture from a savegame - Legacy didn't pull it from the save.  The game took a .jpg picture of your character, and that photo was uploaded to the Legacy site, along with an .xml file which contained the basic information about your character.  None of what was transfered to the Legacy site came from actually reading your save file.

 

Stuff like the ability to name your characters is on the way - and it's been announced that if our characters were to return in Inquisition, then we would have the oppurtunity to customize their appearance.

 

I understand your frustration, however please realize that the syncing process is still being worked on - and we still have several weeks until the game actually launches.

 

 

Edit: 

 

 

Is there a utility to just extract your journal from a savegame or something like that? I tried that linked website and even with the prompting I just can't remember. I guess the only option is to re-install and load up the old saves which I am really not looking forward too.  If I do this are you certain the journal will have a record of all my decisions?

 

Well, loading up my old saves and checking my journal was how I prepared myself before I even got access to the Keep.  In the end I wound up with a lot more information than I needed.  If there are any quests you don't have in your journal, but are in the Keep, I would highly recommend the DA wiki.

[KorganBloodAxe]

thanks mate, one last question. I remember when importing into DA2 it gave a summary of what I did in Origins. Is that summary sufficent knowledge to be able to populate keep? That way at least I only have to install DA2.

[Shadow_krono]

As i understood you, yes you have to do it, download/install either origins or awakening, copy your files and sync to the BSN, but it´s not a matter of the keep, it´s because origins was designed that way, and (at the time) it was the way they developed it, so now the keep has to adapt to how origins used to work (that´s why they had so much problems with origins during the closed beta... and still have), DA2 was easier and got updated really fast because it´s "newer" (is that a word? ).

 

Just until they sync properly since you say there´s no data on your profile of ANY warden (it´s strange that you have an elf...). The other option is to download the Character creator and replicate your characters look.

[Shadow_krono]

thanks mate, one last question. I remember when importing into DA2 it gave a summary of what I did in Origins. Is that summary sufficent knowledge to be able to populate keep? That way at least I only have to install DA2.

Nope, the keep pulls the information directly from your game (re-routes what you send to the BSN to the keep), so you really have to install/download both games.

[AshenEndymion]

To you're first point, i checked all that, if you read my post it says it doesn't have my old uploads from 4-5 years ago.
 
Second point re-downloading 25gb on data is not a "simple" thing in point that some people don't have all the bandwdith in the world (not saying I could saying its a silly point)
 
Third yes this is me venting, but saying its not Biowares fault is silly since Bioware was in charge that entire bloody section of data for half a decade, they bloody design that thing before they change it. Meaning they should've kept my old upload data. Third the dig page shows 0 again ZERO characters from my Origins list but somehow upload my Elf character with 0 career stuff, and none of my human characters but most of the career stuff. It's literally called BIOWARE SOCIAL NETWORK (BSN). (facepalm).

 
First, I never said re-installing DAO would be simple.  I just said that you are likely going to have to do it again.  If it matters to you that much, you'll do it.  If not, you won't.  It ultimately doesn't matter to me, because I have no plans on wanting to use your Keep data to import into one of my DAI games...
 
Second, If your version of this page doesn't have any characters(or just one character), then you either weren't connected to BSN when you played Origins(or, at least, any character other than the ones showing up on your version of that page), or you didn't register your DAO game on BSN until after you had played through those characters that aren't showing up...  And, again, that would not be Bioware's or BSN's fault... It would be yours.  Because that page has been in existence since, at least, 2010.  And, if there are no characters on your version of that page, then it's your own failure to check it way back when you played DAO that is causing you the problems now...

[Kantr]

If you really want them in the Keep. Download the Character Creator and use that. Otherwise, wait until they add the rename function

[KorganBloodAxe]

 
 And, again, that would not be Bioware's or BSN's fault... It would be yours.  Because that page has been in existence since, at least, 2010.  And, if there are no characters on your version of that page, then it's your own failure to check it way back when you played DAO that is causing you the problems now...

 

To be fair to the guy it was never actually useful for anything till now. Most people I know, myself included didn't even bother with it. Of course it would have been the preferred option with the benefit of hindsight. It is still a suboptimal solution for a pc gamer. If it was useful for something I was misinformed and forget what I just said

[Natureguy85]

thanks mate, one last question. I remember when importing into DA2 it gave a summary of what I did in Origins. Is that summary sufficent knowledge to be able to populate keep? That way at least I only have to install DA2.

 

Perhaps for major plot points, though I don't recall all the details that were included, but the Keep has tiles on characters and events that seem minor and many of us are unsure why they are there.

[DAJB]

Perhaps for major plot points, though I don't recall all the details that were included, but the Keep has tiles on characters and events that seem minor and many of us are unsure why they are there.

Just because an event or a character was minor in DA:O or DA2, that doesn't mean it/they won't be important to DA:I.

 

After DA:O, would anyone have foreseen that a minor NPC like Isabela would be recast as one of your main companions in DA2? Or that Merrill, who was a bit-player in the Dalish Elf intro story would be so important in DA2? Obviously some characters who did virtually nothing in the previous games may only be appearing in brief cameos this time round (or, I guess, not at all!), but it's also possible that they could be integral to a much bigger quest this time. I was always baffled by the Dagna quest in DA:O, for example. Once you'd managed to secure her access to the Circle, nothing came of it except a brief "Thankyou" if you returned there. Seemed like a complete non-event at the time, and yet now we're going to see her again in DA:I - yay!

 

Just because some of the characters in the Tapestry seem unimportant now, therefore, that doesn't mean they will still seem unimportant by the time you reach the end of DA:I!

[Natureguy85]

Just because an event or a character was minor in DA:O or DA2, that doesn't mean it/they won't be important to DA:I.

 

After DA:O, would anyone have foreseen that a minor NPC like Isabela would be recast as one of your main companions in DA2? Or that Merrill, who was a bit-player in the Dalish Elf intro story would be so important in DA2? Obviously some characters who did virtually nothing in the previous games may only be appearing in brief cameos this time round (or, I guess, not at all!), but it's also possible that they could be integral to a much bigger quest this time. I was always baffled by the Dagna quest in DA:O, for example. Once you'd managed to secure her access to the Circle, nothing came of it except a brief "Thankyou" if you returned there. Seemed like a complete non-event at the time, and yet now we're going to see her again in DA:I - yay!

 

Just because some of the characters in the Tapestry seem unimportant now, therefore, that doesn't mean they will still seem unimportant by the time you reach the end of DA:I!

 

Sure but it might be some contrived reason which will be annoying. Isabella and Meril are not good examples because your interaction with them in Origins is irrelevant to DA2. The devs just decided to reuse characters to tie the stories together. I'm just not sure how I feel about how, for example, Conrad Verner's survival in Mass Effect 3 is tied to several minor quests from back in Mass Effect. On the other hand,

Basically, I'm not a huge fan of "surprise! I'm important" between games, though it's perfectly fine within a game. Some things make sense how they might be important in the future though.

[Kyosukedei]

 
First, I never said re-installing DAO would be simple.  I just said that you are likely going to have to do it again.  If it matters to you that much, you'll do it.  If not, you won't.  It ultimately doesn't matter to me, because I have no plans on wanting to use your Keep data to import into one of my DAI games...
 
Second, If your version of this page doesn't have any characters(or just one character), then you either weren't connected to BSN when you played Origins(or, at least, any character other than the ones showing up on your version of that page), or you didn't register your DAO game on BSN until after you had played through those characters that aren't showing up...  And, again, that would not be Bioware's or BSN's fault... It would be yours.  Because that page has been in existence since, at least, 2010.  And, if there are no characters on your version of that page, then it's your own failure to check it way back when you played DAO that is causing you the problems now...

 

 

I can't believe i have to point out the your failure to use logic yet again. How is it MY fault when my characters were originally updates since Bioware had it enabled (literally). Second it WOULD be Bioware/BSN's fault since I registered DAO DAY 1. Learn to read and stop trying to sound like you know **** when you clearly don't know ****. Second the idea that MY verison would be incorrect has got to be one of the dumbest things I've heard to do with even basic knowledge of the internet. It literally doesn't explain how my FIRST character (my elf) is being detected, but the 4 characters after it aren't when they were all upload AFTER my elf. Hence my point BROKEN SYSTEM.

 

Second I cannot be the CUSTOMERS fault EVER when Bioware implments a system and fails to copy all their old files for their first generation customers for their franchise. Even this point doesn't matter to me all that much because AGAIN the Keep reads my first character and not the 4 characters after it when I never even touched my ELF character my first playthrough.

 

You also realize one of Bioware's main selling point of this franchise was the meachanic to CARRY OVER CHOICES from you're previous games/characters, which currently they are failing to meet. Understand normally I wouldn't give a raccons butt if this was a issue with another company, but this is Bioware, so therefore the standard bar is higher fair or not.

 

Again READ BEFORE YOU TRY TO SOUND LIKE YOU KNOW ANYTHING. Copying and pasting links doesn't make you right when you don't even read the points before.

To be fair to the guy it was never actually useful for anything till now. Most people I know, myself included didn't even bother with it. Of course it would have been the preferred option with the benefit of hindsight. It is still a suboptimal solution for a pc gamer. If it was useful for something I was misinformed and forget what I just said

 

Thanks for that, not that I care about this being fair. I'm stating that this LOGIC and basic principles. If 99% of your customer base who's been following and buying your material for years why the hell would you create a system that gives them the stick up the butt?

 

Also movieguy, read a save file and having a bug pop up, or consoles not being able to upload is irrelvant when majority of sales/customers of the original game were PC. Also lets say it does matter, all those issues could be solved through save uploading anyway.

 

Hell they could've made the system based on a save upload scan data lines dump the file and bam. Right now its "hey we know we told you your SAVES would carry over, but we decied to do something completely different and if you didn't do this 4 years ago well too bad. Please waste a lot of time/badnwidth (20+gb) to upload 3mb file so we can SCAN FOR DATA LINES".

 

Sounds real huh?

[Tenz83]

I have a question. Did you use mods or anything?

[AshenEndymion]

I can't believe i have to point out the your failure to use logic yet again. How is it MY fault when my characters were originally updates since Bioware had it enabled (literally). Second it WOULD be Bioware/BSN's fault since I registered DAO DAY 1. Learn to read and stop trying to sound like you know **** when you clearly don't know ****. Second the idea that MY verison would be incorrect has got to be one of the dumbest things I've heard to do with even basic knowledge of the internet. It literally doesn't explain how my FIRST character (my elf) is being detected, but the 4 characters after it aren't when they were all upload AFTER my elf. Hence my point BROKEN SYSTEM.

 

The logic I'm using is rather simple:  If your characters were originally uploaded to BSN way back when you played the game, they would currently show up on your DAO Player Profile Diagnostics page(since they can't be deleted unless someone logs into your account and deletes them).  You claim only one of your characters is showing up on your DAO Player Profile Diagnostics page, and all the others don't.  Therefore, there are only two reasonable conclusions: 1)only one of your characters were originally uploaded to BSN, or 2) You deleted the missing characters yourself.

 

I have not even approached the idea that you've deleted the characters yourself, because there is little reason to...  So the only possible conclusion is that, while playing those missing characters, you were never connected to BSN through DAO, and that's why they aren't present.

 

That DAO Player Profile Diagnostics page is rather straightforward in it's connection to the Keep.  If you can see that page(and you continually claim you can), the only failure of a player's characters to show up on it is said player's personal failure to connect DAO to BSN(or Origin, as of recently), and the only reason a character would show up on that page but not in the Keep is a corrupted file(which could be seen on the Diagnostics page).

 

And if you, in fact, cannot actually see your DAO Player Profile Diagnostics page, then I must apologize for asking the initial question of whether or not you could, and assuming that when you answered "I said so in my first post", you meant "yes"(/sarcasm.  Because at this point, with the information you've provided i don't actually believe you can, or did, access your DAO Player Profile Diagnostics page)...

[AlanC9]

Also movieguy, read a save file and having a bug pop up, or consoles not being able to upload is irrelvant when majority of sales/customers of the original game were PC.

Can someone give me good figures on this? The ones I've seen were that PC sales were well under 1/3 of the total.

they could've made the system based on a save upload scan data lines dump the file and bam. Right now its "hey we know we told you your SAVES would carry over, but we decied to do something completely different and if you didn't do this 4 years ago well too bad. Please waste a lot of time/badnwidth (20+gb) to upload 3mb file so we can SCAN FOR DATA LINES".

You're kicking up a fuss over not getting pictures of characters who won't appear in DA:I -- Hawke will have to be re-created, and the Warden won't appear at all. If you've got bandwidth limits, don't waste your bandwidth on something this trivial.

i suppose if we lived in some universe where the DA2 saves actually contained accurate data about our DA:O and DA2 decisions we could have an argument about how Bio should have implemented a save import. But we don't live in that universe.

[Evamitchelle]

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Putting swear words behind asterisks doesn't make your post any less rude. Try to stay civil. 

[movieguyabw]

Also movieguy, read a save file and having a bug pop up, or consoles not being able to upload is irrelvant when majority of sales/customers of the original game were PC.

 

Uhm, source?  I haven't seen any actual breakdown of DA:O's sales figures between consoles/PC - just spent a while on google trying to find those type of stats, and I haven't seen anyone go into comparison of how many copies were sold between xbox/ps3 and PC.

 

However, whether or not a majority of people played Dragon Age Origins on PC is irrelevant.  Bioware has said that they wanted to create a system that would work for everyone; regardless of what platform they play on.  If you feel that PC players deserve preferential treatment, well that's your opinion - however that is not the route they chose to go, and even though I play Origins on the PC as well; I find that mentality to be fairly snobbish.  0o

[Kyosukedei]

Source? The game was original made for PC, it was PORTED to consoles. I don't even.. do people read?

 

Can someone give me good figures on this? The ones I've seen were that PC sales were well under 1/3 of the total.

You're kicking up a fuss over not getting pictures of characters who won't appear in DA:I -- Hawke will have to be re-created, and the Warden won't appear at all. If you've got bandwidth limits, don't waste your bandwidth on something this trivial.

i suppose if we lived in some universe where the DA2 saves actually contained accurate data about our DA:O and DA2 decisions we could have an argument about how Bio should have implemented a save import. But we don't live in that universe.

 

 

And what? accurate data? You realize everything is basically a data line that is either true or false right? RIGHT? All that needs to be done is either true/false bam done simple. The original scanning done might get bugged but if they went as far as to make you DECIDE your choices in the keep, it would literally be the same effort as designing a conflict true/flase flag scenerio when scanning a save file.

 

 

The logic I'm using is rather simple:  If your characters were originally uploaded to BSN way back when you played the game, they would currently show up on your DAO Player Profile Diagnostics page(since they can't be deleted unless someone logs into your account and deletes them).  You claim only one of your characters is showing up on your DAO Player Profile Diagnostics page, and all the others don't.  Therefore, there are only two reasonable conclusions: 1)only one of your characters were originally uploaded to BSN, or 2) You deleted the missing characters yourself.

 

I have not even approached the idea that you've deleted the characters yourself, because there is little reason to...  So the only possible conclusion is that, while playing those missing characters, you were never connected to BSN through DAO, and that's why they aren't present.

 

That DAO Player Profile Diagnostics page is rather straightforward in it's connection to the Keep.  If you can see that page(and you continually claim you can), the only failure of a player's characters to show up on it is said player's personal failure to connect DAO to BSN(or Origin, as of recently), and the only reason a character would show up on that page but not in the Keep is a corrupted file(which could be seen on the Diagnostics page).

 

And if you, in fact, cannot actually see your DAO Player Profile Diagnostics page, then I must apologize for asking the initial question of whether or not you could, and assuming that when you answered "I said so in my first post", you meant "yes"(/sarcasm.  Because at this point, with the information you've provided i don't actually believe you can, or did, access your DAO Player Profile Diagnostics page)...

 

Again you don't read huh? What part of "all my characters were uploaded before, and now they are all gone after the moved to a new system, but somehow magically one character shows up in the keep but that my other 4" do you not get? I don't even... <facepalm>

 

Also movieguy if read what i said (dear god reading so hard) you would see I said ALL saves, not just PC specific could easily be done totally differently then their system right now. Again they could've created a system to scan saves (doesn't matter pc or console) instead of having data stored on a AGED system that gets MOVED, which then loses all the data for majority of players (have you seen the threads on this forum?). Create a system to worsk for all player bases? Sure. They clearly didn't but you can keep believeing that.

 

Also some of you may fail to realize a large portion of players who have been following this series since day one get INVESTED in their characters/choices. To say a picture or basic information is irrelvant or doesn't matter, not to mention the Concept on which bioware wanted to flow is a stick up the butt from the cop out design.

 

Some of what I've said may have gotten a bit personal but that doesn't make any of my points invalid.

 

sidenote: tons of people have tried the diag (which I've done already) and people cannot get DA:O characters properly at all. DA:2 seeminly mostly find with the exception here and there.