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Bioware and Proactive PCism; Women in Dragon Age Inquisition


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I watched the above video and i was kinda stunned at some of the claims made.

 

1) Objectively speaking Cassandra, Josephine and Sera are ugly.

 

Really there is a way to objectively determine a subjective thing such as beauty? I get you might not like any of them you might find only one attractive or you might like all of them. Can you say that is an objective view? I don't think so.

 

2) There the term like "Dike" hair used to discribe Cassandra.

 

If you want to have a serious disscussion about the direction of love intrests in DA:I, should you use charged terms like "DIKE" hair?

 

3)The presenter then distanced himself from the theory as to why, but still presented the therory that Bioware is doing this as some kind of punishment against heterosexual males.

 

Really? As a straight male I do not feel under attack by Bioware.

 

The presenter states that he doesn't beleive this is deliberate but the result that "something in the realm of 90% of them are, its a split between gay men and females, women."  Do you have any evidence on the sexuality of the male writers?

 

I am trying to understand this presenters position but it appears that it trys to hide behind a mask of respectability, by citing facts with no sources provided. The two I like are the comments on objective beauty with regards to the straight male romance options and that 90% of bioware's writers are women and gay men. All this video seems to do is QQ that the three female romance options are not attractive to the presenter. Somehow his subjective likes are objective.

 

I get that people have different ideas of what is attractive and what isn't, as a goth i don't find the hollywood blonde bombshell pretty at all. I'll let you guess what I do find attractive. But seriously are you trying to say that BioWARE has this agenda of emasculating men through this proactive political correctness?

 

I had no idea having diversity of sexuality is politically correct. Anders was the 2nd M/M romance option done by biware and he is by far the most controversial companion if not NPC in Dragon age canon. Just look at how polarizing his character is to people. If Bioware had some kind of politically correct agenda would they make the 1st M/M romance option an assassin trying to kill you and would they make the second one a mass murder? Those are rather politically incorrect things to do for your first two M/M romance options. Seems to me if you had an agenda you'd make them with as few personality flaws as possible.

 

If look at the women in DA:I who are romance options all are skinny, with near perct bodies, hardly falling to the pressure of being politically correct with regards to concerns of media pushing unrealistic body types on women. So that doesn't hold up.

 

 

I don't think Bioware is concerned with being Politically correct. I think they are being representative of the reality of the world they live in. Bioware Edmonton is a Canadian studio and because it is such it is going to reflect the social values of the people who work there. Canadians are liberal, (Small L) Canadians will know what "Small L" means, especially when it compared to Americans. Many of the political issues Americans are dealing with have been over for a decade or more in canada. Some seem to think Bioware is trying to influence the culture wars in the States, I am pretty confident that the staff in Bioware are not. Simply because the political issues in the States are not the political issues in Canada. Women have access to birth control, we have universal medical coverage, same sex marriage has been in canada since 2003 to 2005 (depending on the province. http://en.wikipedia....riage_in_Canada ). Abortion is a suicidal topic for the Conservative party, bring it up and voters will flee. Bioware has no need to push some kind of politically correct agenda in support of the US culture wars simply because they are from canada and those issues have been settled.

 

Are we men so insecure that just because we may not find the female romance options all that stunning this time around that bioware is punishing straight men? Is bioware punishing men because straight women get 4 romance options?

 

To all the men that feel persecuted by bioware all I can say is SUCK IT UP PRINCESS. Diversity =/= punishment.

 

[edit] Some people are asking why i put the link to the video, I am doing this so people are able to see the material for themselves. So you don't have to take my word for what the video says. So people know i am not making things up.


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Oh wow this won't last long time to  grab a beer and make  a sandwich 


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Erm yeah, I'm not giving this video my view. Gross. 


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Wait, what?  I'm supposed to feel persecuted now?


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Wait, what?  I'm supposed to feel persecuted now?

 

According to the video.



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 I agree the women we get to romance are kinda ugly  but personnality  can go along way


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Meh.  That's basically my response anymore to any of those criticisms, they've been there since they first showed the characters.  I think all the characters look great, and that the women are attractive, and from my limited (purposely) stream/trailer watching they are badass as well.


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What brought all this up is my Question bioware treats all of us misfits Equal 

 

Err if you read my post you'd know. according to the video bioware's writers have accidently or on purposed, punished straight men because of the apperance of the 3 female romance options.



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I dont agree with it being a way to punish men. I also definitely dont agree that the LI's are unattractive because they have '****** hair'. So rude.
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Usually people that complain about things being too "politically correct", just want to be able to say offensive things and then blame people for being offended.  Witness Rush Limbaugh's whole career pretty much.


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Don't feel persecuted and Cassandra is drop dead gorgeous in my opinion. Different strokes for different folks, different taste and all that that people cant accept for some reason. Don't help that some people take offence for nothing or decided to just because so they can complain.


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Spoiler


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Meh.  That's basically my response anymore to any of those criticisms, they've been there since they first showed the characters.  I think all the characters look great, and that the women are attractive, and from my limited (purposely) stream/trailer watching they are badass as well.

 

This is the first time I have seem someone claim its an intentional or unintentional punishment towards Straight men.



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1, with first point I do agree at some level, I really haven´t found their design attractive, maybe most attractive what I´ve seen till now are the Harding and in-game Morrigan.

 

I can agree with DA2 Cassandra was more attractive, when I saw her for first time in DA:I I thought it was some guy...

 

To be honest, I think that DA team is just not very good with doing characters in general. For example change of Cullen´s design is really great, despite I never liked him much as a character yet he looks better than before, but some of those woman characters are just bad...  back in the DA:O and DA2 there were atleast allowed moding tools and some of those moders did such a great job with character design.



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I do agree that the LI's are unattractive though. But only in my opinion.
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Maybe it's because it's 3 in the morning, but I am extremely confused by this.



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I feel with everyone throw the word "persecuted" around,  there's a Spanish Inquisition Inquisition joke to be made somewhere....



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Err if you read my post you'd know. according to the video bioware's writers have accidently or on purposed, punished straight men because of the apperance of the 3 female romance options.

I was being Silly but  i do agree  there  ugly but do i feel punished no i don't do romance  options   for the most part so its moot point i have  a  girlfriend 



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Maybe it's because it's 3 in the morning, but I am extremely confused by this.

 

 

I get the feeling people just read the title of the thread and ignored the rest. Sad really.



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I get the feeling people just read the title of the thread and ignored the rest. Sad really.

Why discuss someone who doesn't deserve it and has a stupid opinion? 


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*sigh* Why are you giving whoever made this video more exposure by posting it here?  The incoherent tantrums thrown by entitled men-children as they witness the erosion of their massive privilege don't deserve to be dignified with attention or a response.  You're playing right into their hands. 


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Why discuss someone who doesn't deserve it and has a stupid opinion? 

 

I find it intresting that suddenly gamer men feel like they are under attack.

 

We are not under attack yet there are people convinced we are. Why? What is it about diversity that makes some men feel under attack? That to me is a worthy topic.


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I think it's either Bioware main modeler suck or that they try to base the face off of some real human.  They are known to do that because look at Mass Effect series.


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