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[Han Shot First]

While there are a greater number of potential LIs for straight females this time around, straight men are getting no less than previous DA titles. So the complaints about being short-changed ring a little hollow. As a straight male you get two options in DA:I, the same as you did in DA:O and DA2. That sucks of course if you don't like either of those characters, but no matter how many LIs Bioware includes there is always going to be the potential that you won't like any of them. Given how much preferences can vary I'm sure there are probably some straight female gamers unhappy with the choices they get, despite there being more of them. You could probably find a couple in the Varric thread. 

[Adanu]

Actually it's about ethics in gaming journalism. 

Anti-GamerGaters are using the tired old 'white male misogynists' as an attack on anyone associated with GamerGate, which is why I brought it up. Using that SJW accusation just made it worse.

[9TailsFox]

That old priestess lady in the recent stream has the bombshell body and sex kitten walk.

[Fandango]

Ridiculous video bemoaning a complete non-issue. I mean, why? 

[Who Knows]

Whenever straight males aren't being completely catered to, they're being attacked  

Poor straight men, they are now only catered to 99% of the time.

[Panda]

Actually it's about ethics in gaming journalism. 

 

Gamergate? I think the problem there is that both sides believes gamergate is about different things: pro-gamergate thinks it's about corruption and anti-gamergate thinks it's attack towards women. Instead of good dialogue that would benefit both players and journalist and dev side there is just insults and death threats flying around. I at least want to stay out of that mess since I don't think anything good can come from it.

[Jasuke34]

In past Bioware games, the argument being made against the female romance options was reversed for the most part. Before continuing, I define the argument as "Respectful disagreement with choices made by the company in the selection of love interests." Disrespectful disagreements (such as this video) can go into a dark hole and never come out.

 

In the past, the argument was that lesbian/gay/females did not receive equal opportunity in the games. I can agree with this. However now the situation has reversed which leads to Bioware going entirely the opposite direction. If they were truly for equality, they would have offered equality for all sexualities/races similar to DA2.

 

The response to this, is that they base these things on the characters and not on catering to certain demographics. Most rational people under normal circumstances would find this reasonable and only continue to lightly petition for more equality there.

 

However considering the climate of the gaming industry and the battle being waged between Gamergate for authenticity in the Gaming Industry, Social Justice Warriors for more equality in the Gaming Industry, and trolls inciting vitriolic hate that prevents any rational discourse between the former two, this situation becomes vastly more tense.

 

Honestly, my suggestion to all is let the issue go. It's Bioware's game and while I personally don't agree with some of the values being espoused in the game it is not like it is my right to demand they make their game a certain way. I can either choose to buy or not to buy. And because the game itself looks awesome regardless of personal views, I'm buying.

[veeia]

In other words, men aren't allowed to feel slighted or angry because we've been the ones catered to in the past, completely ignoring the why for that catering?

 

Therefore, no one should care about our suffering?

 

Yeah, that's not offensive and bigoted in the least. But then, plenty of SJWs around here would agree with your bigotry.

 

How on earth do you get to that as an "in other words" though? No one is saying "don't have feelings"?? What they are saying is "please don't express those feelings by using sexist language and treating women like sex objects"??

[Super Shamois]

Oh dear lord. Someone has entered the thread and actually used the word "suffering" in reference to their imagined slights over not being specifically catered to in video games. While touting a rather impressive strawman simultaneously!

 

Thread over, people. Time to close up shop.

[TheCreeper]

In the words of Abridged!Android 18, Conventional standards of Beauty are Bull**t.

[WardenSoul]

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Whenever straight males aren't being completely catered to, they're being attacked
Poor straight men, they are now only catered to 99% of the time.[/quote

Get over it.

[Ailith Tycane]

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

And who decides what 'real men' are? You?

I think a real man is defined by trying to make the world a better place, take responsibility, provide for his family and act mature and intelligent. 

Feeling threatened by and opposing other people's sexuality - and to be fearful of women getting equal rights (in other words, treated fairly),  is immature, judgmental and straight out evil. If someone feels threatened by something that isnt a threat - then they are weak. If people fight against women getting treated equal, fairly and with respect - then they oppose progress and making the world a better place.

(Maybe we have a different view on the definition of what being a man is about?)

[Tamyn]

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Looks great, but I doubt most old ladies in Thedas hit the gym regularly.

[Gonzo]

My opinion is: People that say their straight male white ass is being persecuted just don't know how the world works.

[Dio Demon]

Men you know what this means. Women are becoming the superior gender all hail the matriarchy. Now I shall appease our soon to be masters with sammiches.

 

 

 

 

 

I am being sarcastic in case you didn't know this.

[veeia]

Please, make me a sandwich, Despair Demon. I need something to go with the glass of "what the hell happened to this thread" I'm currently drinking.  

[Dio Demon]

*snip*

I do find it very unfair of you to classify the entirety of GamerGate based off the morons. It's like classifying feminists because of the women that hate everyone that isn't as 'powerful and independent' they are.

 

I also think twitter hashtag campaigns are BS.

[Jasuke34]

I think a real man is defined by trying to make the world a better place, take responsibility, provide for his family and act mature and intelligent. 

Feeling threatened by and opposing other people's sexuality - and to be fearful of women getting equal rights (in other words, treated fairly),  is immature, judgmental and straight out evil. If someone feels threatened by something that isnt a threat - then they are weak. If people fight against women getting treated equal, fairly and with respect - then they oppose progress and making the world a better place.

 

Can we define equal rights? By this I mean, in what way are non-white males prevented from doing anything a while male is capable of doing?

 

I recognize there is cultural differences, but I know in the USA every citizen is allowed the same rights (Dependent on states. Your rights in a certain state are the same as anyone else in that state. Don't like it you can move to a state where the rights are more to your desires). Anything else is representation, discrimination, reverse discrimination/affirmative action, etc.

 

I state this because in the USA the term equal rights is thrown around like a cause when it has already been achieved. Representation and the attitudes of people can certainly change, but it's not a matter of rights.

 

If we are talking about rights, we would have to go to other nations where certain rights are denied. Like being denied the right to vote, attend university, etc. based upon race,sexuality, gender, or anything else.

[WardenSoul]

Can we define equal rights? By this I mean, in what way are non-white males prevented from doing anything a while male is capable of doing?

I recognize there is cultural differences, but I know in the USA every citizen is allowed the same rights (Dependent on states. Your rights in a certain state are the same as anyone else in that state. Don't like it you can move to a state where the rights are more to your desires). Anything else is representation, discrimination, reverse discrimination/affirmative action, etc.

I state this because in the USA the term equal rights is thrown around like a cause when it has already been achieved. Representation and the attitudes of people can certainly change, but it's not matter of rights.

If we are talking about rights, we would have to go to other nations where certain rights are denied. Like being denied the right to vote, attend university, etc. based upon race,sexuality, gender, or anything else.

Yeaaaa lets not go there

[Gothfather]

In other words, men aren't allowed to feel slighted or angry because we've been the ones catered to in the past, completely ignoring the why for that catering?

 

Therefore, no one should care about our suffering?

 

Yeah, that's not offensive and bigoted in the least. But then, plenty of SJWs around here would agree with your bigotry.

 

 

men feel slighted because in DA:O they got 2 romance options, In DA2 they got 2 romance options and in DA:I they get 2 romance options but women get 4 in DA:I?

 

Men have ALWAYS gotten 2 LI and they got 2 this time how are they being treated unfair? what what rational standard can men say Bioware is punishing men either directly of accidently because the writers of bioware are eitehr gay or women (no proof to this claim by the way) which is what the video claims.

 

In fact with respect to what the actual topic of this thred is  and what the video claims your post is

 

[Osena109]

Gamergate Exposed 

[Ailith Tycane]

I state this because in the USA the term equal rights is thrown around like a cause when it has already been achieved.

 

Oh, bless you child...

[aTigerslunch]

Ok, fine.  I wrote a post, deleted it, then decided to bother anyways.

 

 

 

I dont listen to these videos, I dont watch other peoples opinions of a game, if I am interested by a trailer. I will try it out myself. 

[9TailsFox]

Whenever straight males aren't being completely catered to, they're being attacked

Poor straight men, they are now only catered to 99% of the time.

Well need to start soon so it not reach 0%. My problem is SJW don't want more games for female they want ALL games be inclusive and not offend everyone. This big problem. No developer should make game and stop thinking hmm.. will this not offend someone maybe I should rethink. This is why we have genres in moves books... and my favourite anime witch have something for everyone. Something like Angel beats or Legends of galactic Heroes and even porno/hentai. No one forces you to wach half naked female with scythe beating demons. You can watch Saber in full armour beating rich playboy Gilgamesh.

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