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[VikingDream]

People said vinyl was dead but it made a come a lot of people like to have a physical copy of things, just saying collectors for example would prefer a physical copy.

 

Now i'm not saying every one buys vinyl but there is a growing market for people who just love the stuff and can't get enough of it, also a disc of a game has some intrinsic value lets say in 10-15 years they pull all the  older games off Origin for example because no body is buying them as they are old.

 

Now  there are some people who play games even when they are 20+ years old but if you don't have a disc and there is no longer a place with it online how can you install it on a new PC?  

 

There's people with old  gaming systems still and they rely on people having kept game disc or cartridges can any one say with certainty that Origin or for that matter other digital distribution sites wont start to remove older titles?  

[xkg]

People said vinyl was dead but it made a come a lot of people like to have a physical copy of things, just saying collectors for example would prefer a physical copy.

 

Now i'm not saying every one buys vinyl but there is a growing market for people who just love the stuff and can't get enough of it, also a disc of a game has some intrinsic value lets say in 10-15 years they pull all the  older games off Origin for example because no body is buying them as they are old.

 

Now  there are some people who play games even when they are 20+ years old but if you don't have a disc and there is no longer a place with it online how can you install it on a new PC?  

 

There's people with old  gaming systems still and they rely on people having kept game disc or cartridges can any one say with certainty that Origin or for that matter other digital distribution sites wont start to remove older titles?  

 

Or that these services go down completely. Someone will say it is impossible.

Microsoft Reader anyone ? Did you like your books guys, like I did ? Yeah the problem is I can no longer get them back, since the entire Microsoft digital thing colapsed. 

[Navasha]

As someone who has been PC gaming since the literal invention of the Home PC, I can tell you that those 20-30 year old games wouldn't matter anyway.    My first PC was a TI-99 that used a cassette tape as a drive.    Then I eventually had 5 1/4 inch floppies.   All of the sierra games I used to play as a kid.   They eventually came on 9 of those disks.   Then I upgraded to 3.5" disks which could hold a whopping 1.4 MB.   That dropped me back down to just 2-4 disks as the games grew.   Then CDs... DVDs...  

 

I have played 1000s of games in my life.   I could go back and download most of those for free if someone bothered to fix it to work with a modern OS through dosbox or something else.    I don't need those old disks and they wouldn't be compatible with Win 7 anymore anyway without patches despite the fact I would actually have to try to find some old 5 1/4 floppy drive to run them. 

 

Some people like their antiques, but technology and companies can't keep producing outdated stuff forever. 

[xkg]

Well, ultimately, your complaint is about a physical copy for PC, which is a very outdated distribution method at this point.   Digital sales exceeded physical sales back in 2010 and have been growing exponentially since then.   In 3-4 years, my guess is that you won't find PC physical disks at all. 

 

Its like complaining that the music industry doesn't care about people with CD players anymore.   Its a diminishing outdated tech.   

 

The only "gap" is for those people who don't want to adapt to the changing tech market.  

 

Pretty sure that when the next console version comes out in 5 or 6 years that it will also be mostly downloaded games rather than archaic physical disks. 

 

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[VikingDream]

As someone who has been PC gaming since the literal invention of the Home PC, I can tell you that those 20-30 year old games wouldn't matter anyway.    My first PC was a TI-99 that used a cassette tape as a drive.    Then I eventually had 5 1/4 inch floppies.   All of the sierra games I used to play as a kid.   They eventually came on 9 of those disks.   Then I upgraded to 3.5" disks which could hold a whopping 1.4 MB.   That dropped me back down to just 2-4 disks as the games grew.   Then CDs... DVDs...  

 

I have played 1000s of games in my life.   I could go back and download most of those for free if someone bothered to fix it to work with a modern OS through dosbox or something else.    I don't need those old disks and they wouldn't be compatible with Win 7 anymore anyway without patches despite the fact I would actually have to try to find some old 5 1/4 floppy drive to run them. 

 

Some people like their antiques, but technology and companies can't keep producing outdated stuff forever. 

By your argument old tech should not be supported so in your view then Xbox 360 and PS3 shouldn't have had any copies as they are older tech?  

[Navasha]

The only games that will still support 360 and PS3 are the ones that have been in development prior to the current gen systems being released.    Two years from now, you won't find a single new game coming out for those systems.   Tech moves on. 

 

DA:I was in development even before DA2 was complete according to Bioware.  So yes, it is expected that DA:I would support those old systems as most of its development occurred before the current gen systems were released.  

 

Things get phased out.  I think that should be fairly obvious.   The speed it might happen may vary depending on a lot of factors.  

 

The Xbox 360 was released in 2005 and the last game made for the Original Xbox was in 2008.    The Xbox one came out in 2013, so... yes, by roughly 2016 there will be no new games available for the xbox 360/ps3.

[Bfler]

Well, ultimately, your complaint is about a physical copy for PC, which is a very outdated distribution method at this point.   Digital sales exceeded physical sales back in 2010 and have been growing exponentially since then.   In 3-4 years, my guess is that you won't find PC physical disks at all. 

 

Nonsense. A lot of the people still have a very slow I-Net connection or a volume based data tariff and the data-size of new games increases more and more. I bet only a minority of people downloads a game with >30 GB.

[berrieh]

I wouldn't say its accidental EA are in the business to make money at the end of the day, but they do risk alienating PC gamers if they keep  limiting our consumer choices and don't offer us the same access as console gamers.

 

I Spoke with EA via live chat the advise they gave me yesterday was to buy the console version of the game which kind of boggles me a little, I'm a PC gamer I spend and keep spending 100's if not 1000's on my PC to have better graphics and freedom then console gamers get and the answer they come up with dumb down my gaming experience lol. 

 

If you're willing to spend more on your computer - your words - for better graphics and freedom (like mods, though I seriously doubt this game will have many mods, and that may bum you out too), then why are they wrong to raise prices for you? You've just expressed that you are willing to pay lots of money to continue to play on your chosen platform. 

 

Now, I'm fine with someone saying that they want prices to be equal across platforms. I don't think it's reasonable to fuss if it isn't, since historically, there has been plenty of price disparity. Like someone else mentioned, I also think the issue is more Digital vs. Physical so really the issue is there's no Physical Deluxe Edition (this is only an issue with the DDE, not the regular DE, I think, right?) in your country on PC or maybe in general on PC AND the fact that PC games were generally underpriced in your country, if they are usually priced lower than console games at launch. 

 

I don't get the argument that PC games *should* cost less. If they historically did, then should console players have called to complain about the discrepancy as you do now? Just because they have in the past doesn't mean they will continue to, if there are any shifts in the markets. With a new generation of consoles being released, with digital being more readily available on an array of platforms and becoming a bigger force on the market, all kinds of things will happen with price. 

 

I think gamers need to be prepared for that. I own all platforms, personally. Sometimes I do buy things on one platform or another due to price  - the recent Sherlock game I would've preferred on PS4, but it was $60 vs. $30 on Steam for a one-play adventure game I know wasn't worth $60 to me, so it was purchased on PC. It happens. I didn't whine to the devs that the version I wanted was more than another version. I wasn't going to buy it for $60, granted, because it was too short and unreplayable a game to be worth that to me, but I understand that pricing doesn't have to be the same across platforms.

 

I think the blowback at PC being more comes from the notion PC gamers have that they are entitled to the best price. They don't care about price parity as much if it's in the other direction - I've never seen this fussing that a console version was more. Well, not every game developer has to confirm to your view of the market, and you're free to vote with your wallet, of course. 

 

Well, ultimately, your complaint is about a physical copy for PC, which is a very outdated distribution method at this point.   Digital sales exceeded physical sales back in 2010 and have been growing exponentially since then.   In 3-4 years, my guess is that you won't find PC physical disks at all. 

 

Its like complaining that the music industry doesn't care about people with CD players anymore.   Its a diminishing outdated tech.   

 

The only "gap" is for those people who don't want to adapt to the changing tech market.  

 

Pretty sure that when the next console version comes out in 5 or 6 years that it will also be mostly downloaded games rather than archaic physical disks. 

 

We will see what happens. It's interesting - what Microsoft wanted to do with the One would've closed the gap sooner, but consumers rebelled pretty hard. We will see what happens next time, but I wouldn't count on anything. Me, I'm happy with digital and physical both co-existing because it gives me options. But I do buy a lot digital and I wouldn't be devastated if that were the end - I don't really sell back games very often or buy pre-owned. 

 

There are a lot of intricacies in the gaming market (rentals, re-sales) that would have to be worked out before we go full digital. Yes, these don't apply to PC games, so perhaps PC gamers (those who EXCLUSIVELY game on PC and see no other part of the market) don't get that. 

[Elevon]

Well, ultimately, your complaint is about a physical copy for PC, which is a very outdated distribution method at this point.   Digital sales exceeded physical sales back in 2010 and have been growing exponentially since then.   In 3-4 years, my guess is that you won't find PC physical disks at all. 

 

Its like complaining that the music industry doesn't care about people with CD players anymore.   Its a diminishing outdated tech.   

 

The only "gap" is for those people who don't want to adapt to the changing tech market.  

 

Pretty sure that when the next console version comes out in 5 or 6 years that it will also be mostly downloaded games rather than archaic physical disks. 

 

I've to disagree,retail copies of games will be around for quite awhile since  a lot of gaming shops/stores depend on the physical copy rather then the digital download,also a lot of gamers like the physical extras you get in the box like manual,DVD etc,not to mention CE,SE versions where you get extra goodies,physical copies are far from dead,infact I prefer physical copy and will do for quite awhile,I also download digital versions but only on cheap or older  games so nothing to do with adapting,it's about choice for the consumer.

 

There's something special about a physical copy that a digital download does not have.