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[Lindum]

I am fine with Hawke appearing in the game. But I hope, that his/her significant part does not involve too much time to complete or eclipse the Inquisitor.

[xkg]

And If every kid you had were mages?

 

Every kid mage ? I would have to be one helluva unlucky SOB.

I would make the second one tranquil also, and stopped making babies at all after that.

[leaguer of one]

Every kid mage ? I would have to be one helluva unlucky SOB.

I would make the second one tranquil also, and stopped making babies at all after that.

Wow, you would void your own blood line to try to end mages?

[Uccio]

What Wut? If you want to ask me about something, do it directly. I have no idea what are you asking about here.

 

So you did find nothing strange about your last reply? Carryon.

[xkg]

Wow, you would void your own blood line to try to end mages?

 

Yes If I had to.

IRL if I had one baby after another with some very serious birth defect or medical problem, I would take care of them of course. But I would give up on trying for more.

 

But anyway, can't tranquiled people in thedas have children ?

 

 

 

So you did find nothing strange about your last reply? Carryon.

 

No, no at all. I can understand why someone wouldn't do that and it is not all that "strange" for me. You may try to understand other pepole POVs.

[Walker White]

"Hawke will feature prominently in the game" is not the same as "Hawke will appear in the game"

 

After the latest DA Keep Twitch stream, I think we have to be very careful with this difference.  In the twitch stream they were noting about how some people were having trouble uploading the appearance of their old heroes (Warden, Hawke), and that this was not a big deal. You would lose a 2D representation of your character in the keep, but nothing affecting gameplay.

 

However, if Hawke actually does appear in the game, then it is a very, very big deal if he/she does not match your previous hero in appearance.

 

That is, unless it is another one Varric's Tall Tales where he cannot even get your description correct.

 

So something else must be going on here.

[Hobbes]

 

I could never understand the fascination people have with killing Hawke...arnt you Hawke?? I just...I dont...bah nevermind....    

I can't speak for others, but for me I never formed much of a connection to Hawke.  

Hawke was always just Hawke, I just got to guide them along the way.

 

Luckily for Hawke though, while in my case I didn't form much of a connection with them, I did grow to really like their respective love interests.  SO, I would never want to kill Hawke and break their poor little hearts and leave them all alone. 

 

Anyway, on the subject of Hawkes appearance, I hope Cameron is exaggerating somewhat.  Hopefully they don't play too big of a role and just perhaps get in and get out, I don't want them to overshadow my Quizzy.  

[Samahl]

But anyway, can't tranquiled people in thedas have children ?

 

Not consensually.

 

However, if Hawke actually does appear in the game, then it is a very, very big deal if he/she does not match your previous hero in appearance.

 

There will be a CC in-game for Hawke.

[Lebanese Dude]

"Hawke will feature prominently in the game" is not the same as "Hawke will appear in the game"

 

After the latest DA Keep Twitch stream, I think we have to be very careful with this difference.  In the twitch stream they were noting about how some people were having trouble uploading the appearance of their old heroes (Warden, Hawke), and that this was not a big deal. You would lose a 2D representation of your character in the keep, but nothing affecting gameplay.

 

However, if Hawke actually does appear in the game, then it is a very, very big deal if he/she does not match your previous hero in appearance.

 

That is, unless it is another one Varric's Tall Tales where he cannot even get your description correct.

 

So something else must be going on here.

 

We will be able to re-create Hawke using a character creator.

 

My only concern is that there won't be an image provided to go off of. It wouldn't be a huge problem, but I think I'm going to have to end up loading my Hawkes, grabbing screenshots, and then putting them on my tablet so I can recreate them without alt-tabbing.

[Revan Reborn]

How much higher can you get, really? He (or she) stopped the Fifth Blight, killed an Archdemon, and curbed a new Darkspawn threat in the making.

First off, we are talking about a franchise that has barely been explored, so there is always something BioWare could do if they chose. Secondly, the fact that BioWare alluded to the Warden's return at the end in DA2 did not help matters. Third, it would be nice to see how Ferelden has changed and developed post-Blight and what shape the Grey Wardens are in. We'll see this to some degree from the perspective on the Inquisitor, but it will be brief at best as he has other priorities. Lastly, I actually really enjoyed being a Grey Warden. They are essentially the Jedi of Dragon Age. It's a really interesting organization and I would love for BioWare to explore their purpose in more depth, and who better suited than the main protagonist from DAO?

 

This is the only option, but it's too much work for Bioware to even attempt. The Ultimate Sacrifice ending of DAO is kinda like the Old God Baby choice, but massively more disrupting. You could just slot the Orlesian Warden (or a new one entirely) in for people who didn't do DAO or did the US, but you'd have to change so much dialogue I just can't see them doing it. It's why so many choices that would deviate too much in sequels got the cosmic retcon punch (looking at you, all-human Council in ME).

Well honestly, I have a feeling BioWare would just build the game under the assumption that the Warden never made the ultimate sacrifice. They did make Awakening after all, so in a sense they already invalidated the idea that the Warden even died. I don't believe many people would be upset about this either, because very few complain about not enjoying DAO. What BioWare would need to do is somewhat follow the path of Inquisition. Build the game and focus around the Warden's new mission, whether it's rebuilding the Grey Wardens or something else. Then, add and explore the various possibilities of his/her origin throughout the game instead of just doing a large introductory origin piece. A standalone game is certainly more than feasible if that's the direction BioWare wanted to go. The biggest hurdle to overcome would be providing the warden with a voice, which I believe a majority would support ultimately. We'll have to see what BioWare wants to do post-DAI with the franchise.

[silentspec111]

To understand that mentality, it's part "I want to kill everyone in the entire game and Bioware should let me" and part "DA2 really sucked compared to Origins and being able to axe the main character would really bring some sort of vengeance".

 

Not my sentiment, etc, etc disclaimer here.

Oh yes the passive aggressive DA2 rage... I mean I get that to some extent I was angry to at some(actually most) choices DA2 made. The fandom complained and from looks of it seemed Bioware listened to most of the issues its been what 4 years. I mean let it go....

 

Same goes for certain characters like Cullen/Anders... I dont them much either but atleast give them (the writers) a chance

 

A lot of characters in other medium of work have started not so interesting or good or likeable and then redeemed themselves...atleast play the game then maybe ready your "Murder Knife" and not make murder fantasies of Hawke/Anders/Cullen/(insert name) from the start... oh well fantacize away to each their own. I will play then decide... 

[Alejandrawrr]

First off, we are talking about a franchise that has barely been explored, so there is always something BioWare could do if they chose. Secondly, the fact that BioWare alluded to the Warden's return at the end in DA2 did not help matters. Third, it would be nice to see how Ferelden has changed and developed post-Blight and what shape the Grey Wardens are in. We'll see this to some degree from the perspective on the Inquisitor, but it will be brief at best as he has other priorities. Lastly, I actually really enjoyed being a Grey Warden. They are essentially the Jedi of Dragon Age. It's a really interesting organization and I would love for BioWare to explore their purpose in more depth, and who better suited than the main protagonist from DAO?

While I'm of the mind that from a writer's perspective the Warden's story, unlike Hawke's, is most certainly over, don't forget Flemeth. The devs did a great job of establishing her as extremely powerful, bordering on omnipotent (or at least clairvoyant) at times, while still keeping her motivations... infuriatingly ambiguous. She could easily be Big Bad fodder for a later game, and I'm sure they could come up with some threat her plans pose that wouldn't feel like a downgrade from the Archdemon and whatever we're facing in DA:I. In short, she's a walking, talking sequel hook. I mean, I personally like to think of her as more a protagonist or at least antihero in some way, but she definitely could be a manipulative antagonist if needed. (This is all presuming she doesn't appear in this game, or plays the usual "helping the hero early on/from a distance without revealing motivations" role).

So yeah, I'd say that the biggest problem with the Warden's involvement in future games is their fate at the end of DA:O. Unlike Hawke, who was more Shepard-like in that they were Bioware's pre-made characters we were allowed to tweak and guide, the Warden's origins and fate runs a rather large spectrum, they can be sitting King or Queen of Ferelden (thus unlikely to just pick up and go on another adventure), or a corpse that's been rotting for ten years, and plenty of things in between. Of course, the devs could just involve them in a game with a non-sacrificed warden in mind like you said, but the fans would just ****** about that and how their choices are being disregarded (which was a pretty big complaint with DA2), so I think it would just be more trouble than it's worth. At least we have some closure with the Warden, which we didn't get with Hawke, so if they never appear again it's fine.

At best, I could see them going the Awakenings route and designing a game for the Warden Commander, which you could upload your Warden to if it fits their DA:O ending, and include as much content as they can that accommodates for that choice while still making it playable if you want to make a new character for that game.

[Walker White]

We will be able to re-create Hawke using a character creator.

 

Do we actually have confirmation of that?

[aaarcher86]

Do we actually have confirmation of that?

One of the Devs said if a past character appeared we would be able to re create their appearance shortly after the trailer with Hawke dropped.

[Kirikou]

Do we actually have confirmation of that?

Yes. Mike Laidlaw tweeted that if your Hawke or Warden was to appear then you'd be able to choose how they look through a cc.

[Revan Reborn]

While I'm of the mind that from a writer's perspective the Warden's story, unlike Hawke's, is most certainly over, don't forget Flemeth. The devs did a great job of establishing her as extremely powerful, bordering on omnipotent (or at least clairvoyant) at times, while still keeping her motivations... infuriatingly ambiguous. She could easily be Big Bad fodder for a later game, and I'm sure they could come up with some threat her plans pose that wouldn't feel like a downgrade from the Archdemon and whatever we're facing in DA:I. In short, she's a walking, talking sequel hook. I mean, I personally like to think of her as more a protagonist or at least antihero in some way, but she definitely could be a manipulative antagonist if needed. (This is all presuming she doesn't appear in this game, or plays the usual "helping the hero early on/from a distance without revealing motivations" role).

So yeah, I'd say that the biggest problem with the Warden's involvement in future games is their fate at the end of DA:O. Unlike Hawke, who was more Shepard-like in that they were Bioware's pre-made characters we were allowed to tweak and guide, the Warden's origins and fate runs a rather large spectrum, they can be sitting King or Queen of Ferelden (thus unlikely to just pick up and go on another adventure), or a corpse that's been rotting for ten years, and plenty of things in between. Of course, the devs could just involve them in a game with a non-sacrificed warden in mind like you said, but the fans would just ****** about that and how their choices are being disregarded (which was a pretty big complaint with DA2), so I think it would just be more trouble than it's worth. At least we have some closure with the Warden, which we didn't get with Hawke, so if they never appear again it's fine.

At best, I could see them going the Awakenings route and designing a game for the Warden Commander, which you could upload your Warden to if it fits their DA:O ending, and include as much content as they can that accommodates for that choice while still making it playable if you want to make a new character for that game.

First and foremost, I agree that Flemeth would be an incredible antagonist. In many ways, she reminds me of Kreia, and BioWare has been building and alluding to her major role i the franchise for a long time.

 

As I stated before, BioWare would merely build a game centered around the Grey Wardens and their rebuilding. DAO already set up the origin story, so all the next game would have to do is occasionally mention and spread throughout the experience nods to various origins. Overall, it really doesn't matter what gender or origin the Warden comes from as it is his/her duty now that matters.

 

Being King/Queen would be irrelevant as the main task of the Warden has always been a Grey Warden first. BioWare could easily make the excuse that a new threat has arisen and the Warden sets out on his/her true calling once again. As far as being dead, Awakening more or less invalidates that the Ultimate Sacrifice is even a valid choice. It's essentially the equivalent of Shepard dying at the end of Mass Effect 2. It's there for those who wanted that ending, but it does not end the Warden's story.

 

Again, I really don't see what choices would be disregarded, other than the Warden being dead, of which was already disregarded with Awakening, and received high praise. I think you would find very few would be upset with the Warden returning, not to mention many fans have more than one Warden and playthrough.

 

I don't really agree that we really had closure with the Warden. His story just ended and that was it really. Awakening brought him back and alluded to his future, and then DA2 once again alluded to his importance in the coming days. BioWare certainly doesn't have to tell his story, but I would personally feel they are doing the fan base a disservice as many have voiced their interest in seeing a proper closure for the Warden.

 

Again, I don't even believe BioWare would need to put in the necessary resources of creating a new Warden if others killed theirs off. Much like my example with ME2, Shepard is still alive and well in ME3. I believe more would be upset not seeing a final ending to their Warden versus the vocal minority who finds their "dead Wardens" have come back alive, much like Leliana did for the minority. BioWare needs to do what's best from a storytelling perspective and what's practical.

[Salaya]

Could anyone provide a link about the official confirmation of Warden's absence in DAI? Thank you!

[xkg]

 

Could anyone provide a link about the official confirmation of Warden's absence in DAI? Thank you!

 

Apart from this vague tweet, I haven't seen anything more official.

 

Let's be honest, I already lost hope to see him again. And it $U©$.

But hey, you can play (supposedly) as Hawke again  .

[Paul E Dangerously]

Again, I don't even believe BioWare would need to put in the necessary resources of creating a new Warden if others killed theirs off. Much like my example with ME2, Shepard is still alive and well in ME3. I believe more would be upset not seeing a final ending to their Warden versus the vocal minority who finds their "dead Wardens" have come back alive, much like Leliana did for the minority. BioWare needs to do what's best from a storytelling perspective and what's practical.

 

Because ignoring and flaunting "player choice doesn't really mean anything" has worked so well over the last couple of games. Wait.

[leaguer of one]

Yes If I had to.

IRL if I had one baby after another with some very serious birth defect or medical problem, I would take care of them of course. But I would give up on trying for more.

 

But anyway, can't tranquiled people in thedas have children ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

But being a mage is not a birth defect. It would be like a person born with wings or a tail.

 

And the tranquil don't have any want to breed. They have no desires.

[xkg]

Because ignoring and flaunting "player choice doesn't really mean anything" has worked so well over the last couple of games. Wait.

 

But the Warden Commander is alive, he can't die in the game, can he ?

So bringing that one back wouldn't hurt anyone.

[Revan Reborn]

 

 

 

Apart from this vague tweet, I haven't seen anything more official.

 

Let's be honest, I already lost hope to see him again. And it $U©$.

But hey, you can play (supposedly) as Hawke again  .

 

Mark Darrah at the Edmonton Expo confirmed that the Warden will not make an appearance in the game. Here is another thread on this website with someone who was actually present to hear it: http://forum.bioware...1#entry17401484

 

Because ignoring and flaunting "player choice doesn't really mean anything" has worked so well over the last couple of games. Wait.

Actually, with perhaps the exception of Leliana, to a lesser degree, and ME3's ending, there really hasn't been an "uproar" from the community. There are certainly always the vocal minority, but they will complain about something regardless because they can.

 

As I said before, Dragon Age Awakening already more or less invalidated that the Warden ever died, and that expansion is probably the best additional content BioWare has ever made, and they were universally praised for it. I really don't see how continuing the Warden's story would be such an offense to so many people. Half of the threads on this forum talk about how fans want to play or see the Warden again and nothing else.

 

In my personal opinion, it's much more compelling and interesting to revisit a protagonist who already has a history rather than just creating a brand new one from start. There are so many hints, nods, and stories that BioWare could pay homage to bringing the Warden back into the fold, I really can't see how anyone would be against that.

[xkg]

But being a mage is not a birth defect. It would be like a person born with wings or a tail.

 

And the tranquil don't have any want to breed. They have no desires.

 

Ahh, depends on POV. From the game's perspective, seeing what mages are capable of and then looking at DA2, where 90% (pulled it from my .., i know) of mages are batshit crazy, I came to a conclusion that it is a defect, and serious one.

[cjones91]

Because ignoring and flaunting "player choice doesn't really mean anything" has worked so well over the last couple of games. Wait.

Bioware has already shown they will disregard choices the player made if it doesn't work with the story.