Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Leandra was snatched off the streets in broad daylight? There was no "date" with a shady character involved.
Well, I always assume she knew the guy since he did send her the white lilies. He ambushed her with a cry for "help", his hands soaked in blood, according to the urchin.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Leandra was snatched off the streets in broad daylight? There was no "date" with a shady character involved.
She told you (I think on your last meeting with her), about that unknown suitor she meet already.She was kidnaped while the Hawke was investigating the serial killer quest.
I agree it could upset people if not done properly, but.......
Bioware is not that kind of company, in the latest games fans were quite agitated but it didnt matter to them, they seem to follow a code: "fans are angry now but they will calm down later"
Which is what i have critiziesd them for the latest 3 years, The problem will not go away if you stick your fingers in your ears and humh very loudly.
The fans were disappointed with DA2. The fans were disappointed with SWTOR. The fans were disappointed with ME3's ending. All BioWare has done, for a lot of folks (not necessarily me) is disappoint the fans. BioWare should take the time to think and consider how they would incorporate the Warden (a very beloved character) into a world full of characters who all have voices and personalities when he doesn't.
Ah, yes. The Irony.
Dragon Age 2 was not a sequel to Dragon Age Origins. As a matter of fact, is a sequel to Dragon Month 2. The 2 was the name. The name was the number. We understood the thing upside down.
Really, if you start with this... Dragon Age 2 was a sequel to Origins. Discuss this seems... comical.
Is this even coherent English? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I laid out rather plainly how there are more parallels between DA2 and DAI than there are with DAO.
If someone could give me a detailed example of how Bioware could incorporate the Warden into a game in a meaningful way, I'd be down for it, but I just can't think of one. The Warden is too much *our* character, they can't possible write for them, imo
I have reservations about Hawke on this level too, but I do think it can be done (esp if we control them) whereas with the Warden...I'm at a loss.
I just don't see it being possible. There are too many origin stories. There are too many possible choices the Warden could have made in DAO and DAA. To fully encompass this in a meaningful way would not be cost-effective or practical. To just create a "canon" Warden would just upset the fan base and really ruin the character. If BioWare were to even attempt to revive the Warden, they may as well create a standalone game around him/her again.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Leandra was snatched off the streets in broad daylight? There was no "date" with a shady character involved.
Indeed. She came across an individual who was allegedly injured and bleeding. He then took advantage of her kindness and generosity.
Is this even coherent English? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I laid out rather plainly how there are more parallels between DA2 and DAI than there are with DAO.
Well, then I honestly think you have serious problems to understand written language. And irony.
The problem with your plain explanation is the little premise of Dragon Age 2 being sold and developed as a sequel for Origins even for the game creators. You may have some fantasies and ""motives"" to think otherwise, but they are nothing aside from fantasies you disguise with ""motives"".
Also, it's pretty rude to allude to my english, given the fact that obviously is not my native language. Sorry if my lack of skill bothers you.
If Hawke is playing a role in DAI and is that hidden LI that I have heard about...that might erase how upset I am that Vivienne is not romanceable. I totally would romance the **** out of a FemHawke.
Thats an interesting theory. Though some Hawke's are in romances though. *Shrugs*
Considering that Keep takes a record of Hawke's general personality (Diplomatic, Sarcastic, Aggressive), the "auto-pilot" should at least partially fit your views of the character.
Although choosing "Aggressive" will most likely make her/him extremely unlikable, just as playing an agrgressive Hawke made pretty much everyone in the game dislike Hawke (I think I had friendship only with Anders, and partially with Fenris, the rest was on full rivalry
).
Eh my hawke was aggressive and I was friends with varric, Aveline, merril and Anders and I was Rival with Isabela and Fenris. When it comes to personality in DA2 it picks the option you selected most.
Heck if you constantly kept using the sarcastic dialogue at times Hawke come across as a sociopath. Just because its red, purple or blue does not mean you select it ALL the time.
For example my female aggresive hawke approached situations directly and aggressively she is hates liars etc and has respect for direct people. At first she did not trust varric but soon realized he is quite honest. Plus she hates dwelling on past mistakes and since her dad died she is now the "man" of the house and has to look after the family and blames herself and her weakness for her mother and her brother dying.
Hawke is/was loser. He couldn't protect his mother, and it was so obvious how this is going to end.
This thing is what I was talking about.You say he/she is loser based on not being able to predict future.On not being 'perfect' and not being able to correct other people's mistakes all time.Because hey...Hawke must save his siblings,Hawke must save his mother,Hawke must save city,Hawke must save everyone...Hakwe must be perfect!Because Hawke must make no mistakes so little 'kidies' that still live in fantasy world where "hero must be perfect from foot to toe" don't get butthurt when realize that even a hero or better to say champion himself/herself can make mistake as not being able to save their brother/sister from going on ogre,from not being able to connect mother's "suitor" with serial killer,for not being able to read Isabela's mind to find out sooner why Qunari were stuck,from not being able to read mind again and predict that Anders will blow out chantry.
Yeah, but no. I didn't make him to be a loser. Writers did that.
So yeah...forgive writers for making actual hero of story as human that makes mistakes as everyone else and not some perfect God that you are asking for.
I agree I like the fact that Hawke is not perfect and was trying to make the best of bad situations.
This thing is what I was talking about.You say he/she is loser based on not being able to predict future.On not being 'perfect' and not being able to correct other people's mistakes all time.Because hey...Hawke must save his siblings,Hawke must save his mother,Hawke must save city,Hawke must save everyone...Hakwe must be perfect!Because Hawke must make no mistakes so little 'kidies' that still live in fantasy world where "hero must be perfect from foot to toe" don't get butthurt when realize that even a hero or better to say champion himself/herself can make mistake as not being able to save their brother/sister from going on ogre,from not being able to connect mother's "suitor" with serial killer,for not being able to read Isabela's mind to find out sooner why Qunari were stuck,from not being able to read mind again and predict that Anders will blow out chantry.
So yeah...forgive writers for making actual hero of story as human that makes mistakes as everyone else and not some perfect God that you are asking for.
Did you read my second post.
Killer is running around, killing women.
Your mother is going to meet with some unknown man.
Can you see any connection. Hawke couldn't ? If you need to be some kind of seer to see it what can I say. Better for me to remain silent.
Character was badly wirtten, the entire game's story is full of strange decisions - i.e. Sister Petrice case.
Not my fault.
Did you read my second post.
Killer is running around, killing women.
Your mother is going to meet with some unknown man.
Can you see any connection. Hawke couldn't ? If you need to be some kind of seer to see it what can I say. Better for me to remain silent.
Character was badly wirtten, the entire game's story is full of strange decisions - i.e. Sister Petrice case.
Not my fault.
I did read your posts dear...but did you read what I just said let me help you with 'refreshing memory' in here "So yeah...forgive writers for making actual hero of story as human that makes mistakes as everyone else and not some perfect God that you are asking for."
Guest_EntropicAngel_*
If you had been reading Scuttlebutt regularly, you'd know it's been scientifically proven with science that everyone in the world wants to murder Hawke.
Is your profile picture that french elephant?
Guest_EntropicAngel_*
Did you read my second post.
Killer is running around, killing women.
Your mother is going to meet with some unknown man.
Can you see any connection. Hawke couldn't ? If you need to be some kind of seer to see it what can I say. Better for me to remain silent.
Character was badly wirtten, the entire game's story is full of strange decisions - i.e. Sister Petrice case.
Not my fault.
What are you talking about? The VERY MOMENT HAWKE FINDS OUT HIS/HER MOTHER IS MISSING (and finds out about the lilies--Hawke mother says NOTHING about meeting some man), Hawke says "wait a moment...there's a killer who went around giving out white lilies."
That is a line of dialog in the game.
You are 100% wrong. This point, which is often brought up, is 100% wrong.
I did read your posts dear...but did you read what I just said let me help you with 'refreshing memory' in here "So yeah...forgive writers for making actual hero of story as human that makes mistakes as everyone else and not some perfect God that you are asking for."
There are mistakes that can be forgiven and there those that can't. If someone is going to make such a grave mistake, it is uforgivable, and is an idiot in my eyes.
Poeple asked here why some pepole don't like hawke. There's your answer. I don't like to play idiot protagonists, and Hawke is one of them.
What are you talking about? The VERY MOMENT HAWKE FINDS OUT HIS/HER MOTHER IS MISSING (and finds out about the lilies--Hawke mother says NOTHING about meeting some man), Hawke says "wait a moment...there's a killer who went around giving out white lilies."
That is a line of dialog in the game.
You are 100% wrong. This point, which is often brought up, is 100% wrong.
Hawke finds out about the lillies way before this moment. Her mother mentions it in a casual conversation even before she disappears and Hawke knows about the lillies connection with the killer thanks to the templar.
I'm afraid you don't remember things correctly.
Did you read my second post.
Killer is running around, killing women.
Your mother is going to meet with some unknown man.
Can you see any connection. Hawke couldn't ? If you need to be some kind of seer to see it what can I say. Better for me to remain silent.
Character was badly wirtten, the entire game's story is full of strange decisions - i.e. Sister Petrice case.
Not my fault.
No offence, but I think your brain has put a negative filter on to make that whole killer quest-line seem worse in your head than it actually was.
On the eve of DAI's release... have fun being dissapointed because I'm sure not planning on wasting more time reading your tired complaints when we have so much to look forward to.
Guest_EntropicAngel_*
Hawke finds out about the lillies way before this moment. Her mother mentions it in a casual conversation even before she disappears and Hawke knows about the lillies connection with the killer thanks to the templar.
I'm afraid you don't remember things correctly.
I am 100% certain I am correct.
Hawke arrives at estate to find Gamlen there, asking about Hawke's mother. Gamlen mentions, "Your mother said she was meeting her new suiter. He left her white lilies."
Hawke: "Wait a minute. There was a killer here who gave his victims white lilies!"
That is what happens in the game.
There are mistakes that can be forgiven and there those that can't. If someone is going to make such a grave mistake, it is uforgivable, and is an idiot in my eyes.
Poeple asked here why some pepole don't like hawke. There's your answer. I don't like to play idiot protagonists, and Hawke is one of them.
I'm stopping this argue before it goes any more further simple reason is...you like your main character of story to be GOD that never ever makes mistakes...I like my characters with more HUMAN side that are not that perfect(even in DAO I made mistakes on purpose just to not have some perfect God-like hero).
We both have different tastes,opinions and preferences and that is normal afterall this world would be dull if we all were same.So I see no point in this argue.And if you do make replay post I'm not replaying anymore back because I will not convince you and you will definitely not convince me with stating how Hawke should have know everything!
So this argue has been ended 
I am 100% certain I am correct.
Hawke arrives at estate to find Gamlen there, asking about Hawke's mother. Gamlen mentions, "Your mother said she was meeting her new suiter. He left her white lilies."
Hawke: "Wait a minute. There was a killer here who gave his victims white lilies!"
That is what happens in the game.
Yes and some other conversations like this one. I could find more, but this should be enough:
I am 100% certain I am correct.
Hawke arrives at estate to find Gamlen there, asking about Hawke's mother. Gamlen mentions, "Your mother said she was meeting her new suiter. He left her white lilies."
Hawke: "Wait a minute. There was a killer here who gave his victims white lilies!"
That is what happens in the game.
I don't have issues with this topic. I mean, I find this quest interesting, along with the outcome (maybe not the final "frankestein" part). But I'm playing the game right now, and Leandra mentions the lillies and being courted in a casual conversation if you talk to her. I always find this particular moment a bit weird, given this is solid proof for what is to come... anyway, I really think you are not remembring this thing correctly.
Yes and some other conversations like this one. I could find more, but this should be enough:
- Sounds like you've got someone in mind. You want to remarry?- Nothing I'm ready to share yet, so don't pry.But it is refreshing to think I could still be courted at this age.
Why would Hawke automatically think his/her mother would be murdered just because she wants some lovin'?
There are mistakes that can be forgiven and there those that can't. If someone is going to make such a grave mistake, it is uforgivable, and is an idiot in my eyes.
Poeple asked here why some pepole don't like hawke. There's your answer. I don't like to play idiot protagonists, and Hawke is one of them.
So you suggest that instead of letting Leandra live and enjoy her life, like the adult person she was, Hawke should have imprisoned her in the manor, because she might be snatched up by a serial killer? Yes from a metagaming perspective (especially if you are used to Bioware trying to rip out your soul via drama), Hawke obviously should have suspected foulplay, as soon as her/his mother decided to move on, but from the point of roleplay, no it wasn't.
Kirkwall is a city full of people, I am pretty sure it might have also been full of men, women who send their lovers lillies, without planning to kill them. Otherwise the fault lays with the guards, cause they should have just arrested anyone owning lillies, as they were up to no good.
Regarding a possible comeback of the warden. While I might wish for it, I don't see it doable in any kind of enjoyable setting, since -like stated from others before me - the Warden is even more our own hero, then Hawke and even if they found a way, to capture atleast certain aspects of our wardens personality, it propably would still result in an incredible cry of outrage, by those who believe to have done the right thing, by refusing the dark ritual and now don't have any warden to go on. So I will try to be content to just hear about my warden 
Guest_EntropicAngel_*
Yes and some other conversations like this one. I could find more, but this should be enough:
- Sounds like you've got someone in mind. You want to remarry?- Nothing I'm ready to share yet, so don't pry.But it is refreshing to think I could still be courted at this age.
There is nothing in this that even implies that in a city of thousands, the killer (who if you remember targeted YOUNG women) would want to take Hawke's old mother. You're making a leap of logic.
I don't have issues with this topic. I mean, I find this quest interesting, along with the outcome (maybe not the final "frankestein" part). But I'm playing the game right now, and Leandra mentions the lillies and being courted in a casual conversation if you talk to her. I always find this particular moment a bit weird, given this is solid proof for what is to come... anyway, I really think you are not remembring this thing correctly.
I would love an exact quote. Not to be overbearing but I played the game a few months ago and payed close attention to this quest because of this specific complaint, and I didn't encounter any time where Hawke SHOULD have recognized the killer as being after his/her mother.
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