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[LightningPoodle]

Well, in DA:Keep, there are three options:

 

1. Did not encounter Goldanna
2. Helped Alistair find Goldanna
3. Did not help Alistair find Goldanna

What option hardens him? 1 and 3 sound the same and 2 doesn't sound like the hardened choice.

 

Whereas for Leliana:

 

1. Did not encounter Marjolaine
2. Sent Marjolaine away
3. Had Marjolaine killed

3 sounds like the hardened option, because it changed Leliana whereas 2 didn't change her. She still remained the forgiving type.

 

Hardened Alistair, if he was king, actually took the job seriously, he studied on how to become a good king. "Normal" Alistair didn't so much learn to be a good king rather, he spent a lot of the time drinking and sharing merriment with people. I think that is going to make a difference to how he will appear in DA:I.

 

Leliana already looks hardened from what I've seen so I doubt it makes that much of a difference what option is chosen rather, how Marjolaine might appear in DA:I.

[Kantr]

Loghain Alive Hardens him. Taking him to Goldanna is not where he's hardened as you have to go back to camp and choose the exact dialogue.

[Devil's Avocado]

Those quests trigger the harden conversations but the quests themselves don't harden them.

 

For Alistair you basically need to tell him the world is cruel place and he needs to realize this (conversation outside goldana's house). That will trigger the harden conversation at camp.

 

Leliana you talk to her at camp after the quest and have her be firm in her faith in the chant (no harden) or say she enjoys her life as a bard and that's who she is (harden)

 

Also it's been ten years since then, it's like they would be hardened over time either way.

 

There are combinations in the Keep at least for Alistair that's only possible if he's hardened. King w/Anora and Loghain is a Warden.

[LightningPoodle]

I didn't know Loghain could be alive and Alistair still around. He always left for me no matter what I said. Thanks for the info.

[Evamitchelle]

I didn't know Loghain could be alive and Alistair still around. He always left for me no matter what I said. Thanks for the info.

 

That's because he has to marry Anora, otherwise he'll just leave Ferelden altogether. 

[Tenz83]

Alistair being hardened doesn't matter chances are he's been hardened regardless during the time between origins and inquisition. The mage rebellion in da 2, many other things that lead up to Inquisition, I don't think that there is no way he isn't hardened unless he's dead or you made him into a drunk and such

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

I also don't think Leliana will be softer or harder in Inquisition depending on the Marjolaine thing. She's been through a lot of crap regardless of how that little quest turned out.

[Ellyria]

I suspect that hardening Alistair/Leliana will have the same impact on DA:I as Paragoning Ashley or Renegading Kaidan in Mass Effect did in ME2/3.

 

Aka, not at all.

[Durhon]

You should send this question to Justin, I'm sure he'll love to answer this question for you.

[Weltnoir]

I think technically it is a series of choices, that could only be as such, because of hardening:

 

Having helped Meet Goldanna

Having kept Loghain alive

And Having Alistair marry Anora

 

I believe that sequence implies he was hardened.  Not sure you can force/assume it otherwise.

 

It will not likely have a direct effect in DA:I, but those choices definitely mean he was hardened in DAO.

[Skyrunner_Morgan]

It might result in a bug of sorts here. Alistair needs the proper dialogue choices and a high friendship score when you encounter Goldana and he talks to you again about it. The poor choice in dialogue results in unhardening since you can still crown an unhardened Alistair as king though his rule will be weak in comparison.

It would be fair to add the option of hardening since I personally cant stand the thought of Loghain kept alive and "redeeming" himself.

[movieguyabw]

I'm pretty sure Justin said in one of the twitch streams that it'd be unlikely for us to get anymore Alistair tiles (at least any that have an impact on other decisions in the Keep) at this time.  The logic surrounding the Alistair tiles is already kind of like a stressful game of Jenga.  Adding another one is only going to further complicate matters.

 

Also, as someone pointed out, it's possible to assume whether or not Alistair was hardened based on other choices - and even in cases where it's unclear, the events of Origins took place 10 years ago.  It's likely time hardened him regardless of the Warden's involvement. 

[Justin Edmond]

I'm pretty sure Justin said in one of the twitch streams that it'd be unlikely for us to get anymore Alistair tiles (at least any that have an impact on other decisions in the Keep) at this time.  The logic surrounding the Alistair tiles is already kind of like a stressful game of Jenga.  Adding another one is only going to further complicate matters.

 

Also, as someone pointed out, it's possible to assume whether or not Alistair was hardened based on other choices - and even in cases where it's unclear, the events of Origins took place 10 years ago.  It's likely time hardened him regardless of the Warden's involvement. 

Jenga is a perfect metaphor.

 

I tried to address this thread in the latest Twitch stream, but you have the idea... Maybe, but its really hard adding questions to this area of the plot.

[Tielis]

Okay, how about which choice *does not* harden him?  This is something I want to be clear in my Warden Alistair worldstate.

[Justin Edmond]

Okay, how about which choice *does not* harden him?  This is something I want to be clear in my Warden Alistair worldstate.

 

I'd say didn't encounter Goldanna and didn't help Alistair find Goldanna would prevent hardening from ever happening.

[Tielis]

I'd say didn't encounter Goldanna and didn't help Alistair find Goldanna would prevent hardening from ever happening.

 

Thank you!

[Devil's Avocado]

Okay, how about which choice *does not* harden him?  This is something I want to be clear in my Warden Alistair worldstate.

None of them will harden him since there is nothing in the Keep that represents the hardening mechanic but on the flip side there is nothing representing a unhardened Alistair if that makes any sense. 

 

If Alistair was to appear in DA:I and we import our world state, hardening/unhardening will most likely not factor into his behavior since we weren't given that choice in the Keep.

 

Or Justin 'ed me.

Modifié par Devil's Avocado, 01 novembre 2014 - 01:31 .