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Can Homosexual's get married in DA?


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Essentially what the title asks. 

 

While there have been plenty of examples of gay couples, and we can even have gay romances in game, from my knowledge their has never been a married gay couple in any of the DA game or novels. 

 

Have I just missing a an obscure piece of lore or has this topic never been actually addressed so far. If not, then I can only hope we see one in Inquisition.

 

 

 

 



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The Chantry only does opposite gender marriages.



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This is a good question but i am uncertain while in the lore it's never said they can't but i don't know



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No, they can't. There's DOMA enacted by the Chantry and enforced by the templars.


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While Thedas is certainly more tolerant towards homosexuality than what it was like in real life medieval times, I don't think Same sex marriage is something done by the chantry.  



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The correct answer is that it's never been addressed in the lore. It might be unlikely, given the codex entry on sexuality. But the fact remains that it's currently unknown.
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I was under the impression marriage is more of a political thing in DA, which places more emphasis on romantic relationships being important simply as they are...otherwise that Alistair/mistress warden ending would be sad and I don't like to think of it that way...  :(  but then agian...did Liandra marry Hawke Sr., or just run away with him?


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No, they can't. There's DOMA enacted by the Chantry and enforced by the templars.

 

Really? I don't recall the Chantry even bothering to mention exclusively heterosexual marriages at any part of the lore. \

 

And I especially don't think that the templars enforcing it either. Don't they have mages to kill instead.  :lol:



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I think marriage has a more practical use in Thedas, meaning it mostly happens due to opposite sex couples wanting to produce off-spring or noble houses wanting to join together.



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As it has been said by others here it is highly unlikely that same sex marriage is a thing in Theadas, while it’s true that it’s never been addressed directly in lore what we have been told is that same sex relationship are viewed a quirk, in essence it’s something that is tolerated to an extent but it is given no "official" backing religious or otherwise.

 

You could look towards the attitude of the ancient Greek’s towards homosexuality as an example of what is probably the situation is in Theadas, it was tolerated as long as you did your duty and got a proper wife and produced heirs.

 

Farther more you need to remember that the point of marriage in Theadas, at least for the nobility, is a matter of creating alliances and the production of children which a same sex marriage would fail to accomplish.

 

Edit: Slightly ninja'd by katerinafm... :ph34r:


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Didn't david gaider speak about this in some thread a while back?



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I was under the impression marriage is more of a political thing in DA, which places more emphasis on romantic relationships being important simply as they are...otherwise that Alistair/mistress warden ending would be sad and I don't like to think of it that way...  :(  but then agian...did Liandra marry Hawke Sr., or just run away with him?

She married him.  There's a conversation between Liandra and Hawke wherein she makes the statement, "when I married your father."  I think she's talking about being essentially disowned by her parents over it.



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As it has been said by other here it is highly unlikely that same sex marriage is a thing in Theadas, while it’s true that it’s never been addressed directly in lore what we have been told is that same sex relationship are viewed a quirk, in essence it’s something that is tolerated to an extent but it is given no "official" backing religious or otherwise.

 

You could look towards the attitude of the ancient Greek’s towards homosexuality as an example of what is probably the situation is in Theadas, it was tolerated as long as you did your duty and got a proper wife and produced heirs.

 

Farther more you need to remember that the point of marriage in Theadas, at least for the nobility, is a matter of creating alliances and the production of children which a same sex marriage would fail to accomplish.

 

Edit: Slightly ninja'd by katerinafm... :ph34r:

Maybe this is just a quibble, but it wasn't tolerated.  It was widely accepted as perfectly normal.  There was no concept of sexuality as having three arbitrary divisions, even.  


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Maybe this is just a quibble, but it wasn't tolerated.  It was widely accepted as perfectly normal.  There was no concept of sexuality as having three arbitrary divisions, even.  

 

It was tolerated, if you went full homosexual and refused to get a wife and do your duty then you were in for a world of hurt (Likely assassinated, most likely by your own family).

 

At least that would be the case for nobles and rulers.


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Maybe same sex marriage is not officially supported in the lore, but that is the glorious thing about mods like TW Zevran Wedding by Techwench and Zevran Open Wedding by luna1124  :D

 

Spoiler cutting a screen grab of my m!Dalish marrying Zevran in Techwench's mod

 

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The link itself seems to be down, but here are some quotes from an interview David Gaider did:
 

Gay marriage?


No. Not to get political on the subject, but regardless of my support for the idea of gay marriage in our society I think it would feel pretty anachronistic to include such a concept in our setting. I doubt it's something that would even occur to people in Thedas, regardless of their orientation.


The Chantry considers it a matter of tradition and practicality, and a holy bond between man and woman.


It may not be directly in the games, but it IS lore from the word of Gaider.


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The link itself seems to be down, but here are some quotes from an interview David Gaider did:
 



It may not be directly in the games, but it IS lore from the word of Gaider.

 

Well "word of god" pretty much settles it.

 

Kudos on the info.


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if they cant.. no one tell Wade.


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The Chantry doesn't look down on or discriminate against homosexuals, but the Maker's ordained union is for a man and woman. As such, they don't marry the same sex.



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It was tolerated, if you went full homosexual and refused to get a wife and do your duty then you were in for a world of hurt (Likely assassinated, most likely by your own family).

 

At least that would be the case for nobles and rulers.

 

Not quite.  You're conflating issues.  There wasn't this thing about going "full homosexual."  Marriage wasn't about love, there was no issue with marrying and producing heirs, while happily screwing whomever you wanted.  There was no societal condemnation of any sort over people taking same-sex lovers, because there was no cultural assumption that if you did one you couldn't or wouldn't do the other...i.e. nobody assumed that his having a male lover meant that a man was gay and therefore wouldn't get married to a woman and have children.  



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Not quite.  You're conflating issues.  There wasn't this thing about going "full homosexual."  Marriage wasn't about love, there was no issue with marrying and producing heirs, while happily screwing whomever you wanted.  There was no societal condemnation of any sort over people taking same-sex lovers, because there was no cultural assumption that if you did one you couldn't or wouldn't do the other...i.e. nobody assumed that his having a male lover meant that a man was gay and therefore wouldn't get married to a woman and have children.  

 

Like i said as long as you married and did you duty then you could shag who ever and whatever you wanted, it is only if you refused to do your duty that you got the "shaft" so to speak, and i agree that it very little to do with people seeing same sex relations (Or any relations, minus animals of course, well unless you were a god :P ) as morally wrong but it became an issue if someone decided to scoff at their duty because of said relationship, or any life style that would precludes the production of heirs.

 

I think you may have misunderstood my previous post, because it seems to me that we are in agreement.


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We should be able to marry LIs in the games, whether opposite sex or same sex.



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Marriage is only a political tool or a tool for reproduction. Love is not involved in it in the slightest. 


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"Bride of the Maker" sure has something to do with it.



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Marriage is only a political tool or a tool for reproduction. Love is not involved in it in the slightest. 

Leandra/Malcolm and Aveline/Donnic disagree. 


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