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[HK-90210]

So, I want to see it in Dragon Age :-) I want to be able to legitimize my commitment to either Dorian or Sera in the face of all societies, I want them to have a legal claim on the Inquisition if I have to perform another Ultimate Sacrifice, and I want everyone we meet to know that society can be changed, and that marriage should be about love, and that such a marriage is not selfish, rather selfless.

 

Umm....I don't think the Inquisition will work like that. It's not a landed title that gets passed down. It's an organization built around a person with a unique ability to turn the tide of a devastating event. It's not something that gets passed down through family or marriage. If the Inquisitor dies, that's it. No one else possesses his/her abilities. It will crumble and fracture into many different factions, and nothing Sera, Dorian, Cassandra, or any of the other LIs do would be able to stop it.

 

After the game's finale, the Inquisition will have to decide what it will become, but I don't think it can rely on the Inquisitor to provide an heir, be it a spouse or otherwise. My guess is it will become a force for order in Thedas. Whatever else comes, be it Qunari invasions, bloodmage terrorists, another Blight, the Inquisition will step up to fight it. But the leader of the Inquisition will not be the Inquisitor's LI, or their kids. It will be someone connected to its power structure that the majority can agree on, someone we may meet in Inquisition, or someone new we'll meet later on.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Except there is no bias or taboo about homosexuality. Some people don't like it, some like it, but no one seems to think it's a taboo in Thedas. Nobles look down on it since it produces no heirs, and the Chantry condones it but does not marry homosexual couples, as the Maker only ordained heterosexual couples to be married. It makes sense, since marriage began as a religious institution and then incorporated economics and societal status into itself. Sure, marriage is about love too, but in the medieval era, it was mainly about economics, and especially important to royalty for heirs. It makes sense that they wouldn't officially ordain couples in Thedas, but domestic unions and such seem fine. I don't mind Thedas taking examples from our own medieval societies of the past for inspiration.

And I wouldn't mind this either... if they hadn't contradicted it in DA2.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

And I wouldn't mind this either... if they hadn't contradicted it in DA2.

How did they do so?

[Gothfather]

To be honest I don't know why this is even a topic, Most of the population of Canada has had Same sex marriage for over a decade now. I get that the USA is still dealing with this but Bioware is a Canadian company its not their job to put something in DA:I to provide symbolic support for the US culture wars. We have same sex marriage up here it is NOT a political issue for us.

 

BioWare has created a setting that not only shows sexual diversity in the back ground but shows sexual diversity for the player to express. This idea that Bioware SHOULD include marriage for same sex marriages in their games is just stupid. The only marriages Bioware should include are those that are integral to the story being told. Bioware isn't intrested in creating your "perfect wedding" fantasy. DA:I isn't a date sim or a marriage sim.

 

I get that some people might want this type of game but BioWare is known for its EPIC fantasy and Sci-Fi stories. If you want this type of thing I am sure there is a "The SIMs" add on you could get.

 

Bioware is an average Canadian company, it might seem progressive but really i don't know many canadian companies that don't share the values of diversity and inclusiveness in Canada. Its national news for a company NOT to share those views. But as a canadian company its not their responsability to get involved in the US culture wars. All they are responsible for is to write stories that reflect the values of canadians. If Americans or anyone else in the World wants to buy their games great but they are not responsible to reflect anyone else's values in the process.

[trying_touch]

Except there is no bias or taboo about homosexuality. Some people don't like it, some like it, but no one seems to think it's a taboo in Thedas. Nobles look down on it since it produces no heirs, and the Chantry condones it but does not marry homosexual couples, as the Maker only ordained heterosexual couples to be married. It makes sense, since marriage began as a religious institution and then incorporated economics and societal status into itself. Sure, marriage is about love too, but in the medieval era, it was mainly about economics, and especially important to royalty for heirs. It makes sense that they wouldn't officially ordain couples in Thedas, but domestic unions and such seem fine. I don't mind Thedas taking examples from our own medieval societies of the past for inspiration.

Well, it is taboo, I mean, the fact that it causes scandal if it goes public makes it taboo.

 

One can't announce to the world that she is in love and committed to another woman without disappointing her family, or people saying "you can't do that."

 

Hopefully, somewhere, in the rest of the DA world, there's an equivalent to Sweden!

[Muspade]

Hopefully, somewhere, in the rest of the DA world, there's an equivalent to Sweden!

Orlais?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

BioWare has created a setting that not only shows sexual diversity in the back ground but shows sexual diversity for the player to express. This idea that Bioware SHOULD include marriage for same sex marriages in their games is just stupid. The only marriages Bioware should include are those that are integral to the story being told. Bioware isn't intrested in creating your "perfect wedding" fantasy. DA:I isn't a date sim or a marriage sim.

 

I get that some people might want this type of game but BioWare is known for its EPIC fantasy and Sci-Fi stories. If you want this type of thing I am sure there is a "The SIMs" add on you could get.

By this logic, they shouldn't include romances at all since they aren't integral to the story. After all, them having the option there makes it a date sim to you since you said the option to marry would make it a marriage sim and you said they don't do dating sims or marriage sims. 

[(Disgusted noise.)]

How did they do so?

Because, with the exception of the Landsmeet, all the discussion of marriage in DA is romantic. Which is not historically accurate for the equivalent real life time period, which is what that argument is based on. I don't even want to get married in DA, same-sex or opposite-sex, but to use it as an excuse one second and turn around and have straight characters get married solely for love and not for the political/social power is hypocritcal.

[A Clever Name]

Except there is no bias or taboo about homosexuality. Some people don't like it, some like it, but no one seems to think it's a taboo in Thedas. Nobles look down on it since it produces no heirs, and the Chantry condones it but does not marry homosexual couples, as the Maker only ordained heterosexual couples to be married. It makes sense, since marriage began as a religious institution and then incorporated economics and societal status into itself. Sure, marriage is about love too, but in the medieval era, it was mainly about economics, and especially important to royalty for heirs. It makes sense that they wouldn't officially ordain couples in Thedas, but domestic unions and such seem fine. I don't mind Thedas taking examples from our own medieval societies of the past for inspiration.

There really isn't any factual evidence to suggest that all pre-colonial and/or medieval societies didn't allow for same-sex marriages.  If anything it was the advent of religions that could moderate marriages, whose beliefs coincided with a dislike of same-sex couplings, that did away with its acceptance.  For example, before Christianization, the Lakota, among many other First Nation tribes, allowed same-sex marriage.  The Sotho had recognized same-sex relationships as legitimate before colonization of Africa (and I am happy to report that last year the first gay pride parade took place in Lesotho - hopefully with many more to come).  I find it incredibly fascinating how so many people believe that homosexuality was widely despised before industrialization and colonization.  It's rather that the societies which flourished due to geopolitical advantages (European states which had temperate climates and access to materials useful in warfare) just so happened to be those with overarching negative beliefs set forth by the institutions and governments that surrounded daily life.

 

If BioWare was going to take inspiration from the medieval society my modern-day demographic descends from it would be just fine to have same-sex marriage.  It's more accurate to state that they've drawn from European medieval societies.

 

Sorry to be so nitpicky.  :/  I do agree with you, after all!

[Borosini]

Some people want Dragon Age to be their utopia of inclusion.

 

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Muspade]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Depends on the context. 

For writing purposes...eeeeh. To not include human bias is not to be human.

But we're talking about marriage.

[trying_touch]

Some people want Dragon Age to be their utopia of inclusion.

Actually, I want that for the real world :-D

[garrusfan1]

Eh if it isn't it is only because they can't have kids. In the actuall game most people (I am only speaking of the games not the comic books or graphic novels since I haven't read those) don't seem to have a problem with it. So I imagine they aren't persecuted also does the chantry even care if two people bang before they are married. I know sebastien says he lived in sin but considering he was supposedly a man ****** before the chantry I imagine it's because of that.

[Gothfather]

By this logic, they shouldn't include romances at all since they aren't integral to the story. After all, them having the option there makes it a date sim to you since you said the option to marry would make it a marriage sim and you said they don't do dating sims or marriage sims. 

yawn.

 

Bioware has added romances because its part of a story they want to. They are not obligated to tell the story you want.

 

I want to be a Jedi and crash land on Thedas and pawn these primiatives for falling to the darkside. Well guess what Bioware doesn't care if thats the story i want them to tell. They are not obligated to tell that story.

 

Bioware's games express the values of the host Country of Canada which include Diversity and inclusiveness. Their stories express those core values, they are not under any obligtion to include your core values.

[Borosini]

Because it is. It isn't realistic nor does it seem like it'd make sense.

 

Yes. Sense. That.

 

...leaving aside the low-hanging fantasy genre fruit, just because a particular brand of intolerance is present in our reality does not mean that fiction has to follow suit. In fact, I'd be very suspicious of the writers' abilities if they were unable to fashion a world that uses strife and complex morality as key narrative tools yet still showcases positive models for inclusivity.

 

EDIT: Assuming that is a goal of theirs, of course.

[trying_touch]

Umm....I don't think the Inquisition will work like that. It's not a landed title that gets passed down. It's an organization built around a person with a unique ability to turn the tide of a devastating event. It's not something that gets passed down through family or marriage. If the Inquisitor dies, that's it. No one else possesses his/her abilities. It will crumble and fracture into many different factions, and nothing Sera, Dorian, Cassandra, or any of the other LIs do would be able to stop it.

 

After the game's finale, the Inquisition will have to decide what it will become, but I don't think it can rely on the Inquisitor to provide an heir, be it a spouse or otherwise. My guess is it will become a force for order in Thedas. Whatever else comes, be it Qunari invasions, bloodmage terrorists, another Blight, the Inquisition will step up to fight it. But the leader of the Inquisition will not be the Inquisitor's LI, or their kids. It will be someone connected to its power structure that the majority can agree on, someone we may meet in Inquisition, or someone new we'll meet later on.

I would like my Inquisition to become a new government, an independent nation, full of cool helmets and a new Chantry that says same-sex marriage is allowed.

 

I'll be the Herald of Andraste after all!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

yawn.

 

Bioware has added romances because its part of a story they want to. They are not obligated to tell the story you want.

 

I want to be a Jedi and crash land on Thedas and pawn these primiatives for falling to the darkside. Well guess what Bioware doesn't care if thats the story i want them to tell. They are not obligated to tell that story.

 

Bioware's games express the values of the host Country of Canada which include Diversity and inclusiveness. Their stories express those core values, they are not under any obligtion to include your core values.

Please don't be disrespectful by being condescending. 

 

As for Bioware not wanting to, that's why threads like this should be made. It is a way for them to see what fans want and if it happens enough they may decide they want to try it. If it wasn't for threads like these, homosexuality wouldn't be in Inquisition at all. 

[trying_touch]

Please don't be disrespectful by being condescending. 

 

As for Bioware not wanting to, that's why threads like this should be made. It is a way for them to see what fans want and if it happens enough they may decide they want to try it. If it wasn't for threads like these, homosexuality wouldn't be in Inquisition at all. 

I wholeheartedly agree... I would "like" your post, but I ran out of "likes."

[Br3admax]

Please don't be disrespectful by being condescending. 

 

As for Bioware not wanting to, that's why threads like this should be made. It is a way for them to see what fans want and if it happens enough they may decide they want to try it. If it wasn't for threads like these, homosexuality wouldn't be in Inquisition at all. 

Really? Because homosexuality was in Dragon Age before Inquisition was a concept. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Please don't be disrespectful by being condescending. 

 

As for Bioware not wanting to, that's why threads like this should be made. It is a way for them to see what fans want and if it happens enough they may decide they want to try it. If it wasn't for threads like these, homosexuality wouldn't be in Inquisition at all. 

This is a fair argument, but I think it might be too late for them to make those scenes this close to launch.

 

 

Really? Because homosexuality was in Dragon Age before Inquisition was a concept. 

I think Kallen meant strictly homosexual romance options. Those are new, and I think were added due to fan pressure since I got the impression the original plan was all bi LIs again.

[trying_touch]

This is a fair argument, but I think it might be too late for them to make those scenes this close to launch.

True... but there'll be a fourth installation, we're sure :-)