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#151
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This talk about "enforcing" an "agenda," "obligation," and "demands"—I don't get it in the slightest.

 

All I see here are people politely requesting a feature in future Dragon Age media. This past night was Halloween, yes, but that doesn't mean you need to see bogeymen everywhere.

 

About $70, in my case. (I had a Best Buy gift card with a crap-ton of cash on it, if you're wondering why I'd do such a thing.)

 

(That said, I'm not threatening to cancel a preorder. About the only thing that could do that is if Josephine turns out to be a zombie in a latex mask.)

 

I paid the same. Just how much of that $70 do you think BioWare is going to see, anyway? Hence my approximation.


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#152
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So back on topic, how would people like ss marriage to be implemented? 

 

I would prefer it to actually became a plot point in the world rather than it just being a retcon. 



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So back on topic, how would people like ss marriage to be implemented? 

 

I would prefer it to actually became a plot point in the world rather than it just being a retcon. 

As long as it's not some big massive plot point that takes up a big chunk of the game I have no problem with it.



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As long as it's not some big massive plot point that takes up a big chunk of the game I have no problem with it.

 

Well yeah, that would just be patronizing. I wouldn't really want it to be a quest either or for it to involve the player choosing if it goes ahead or not.



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So back on topic, how would people like ss marriage to be implemented? 

 

I would prefer it to actually became a plot point in the world rather than it just being a retcon. 

Maybe the new Divine decides to change the Chantry's stance on the issue and agree to perform marriage ceremonies for gay couples. That way it is not a retcon because the change is recognized, but it is also a set event that can be universally carried over. 


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Well yeah, that would just be patronizing. I wouldn't really want it to be a quest either or for it to involve the player choosing if it goes ahead or not.

one of the judgment's would be a good time to bring it up I reckon. 



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Maybe the new Divine decides to change the Chantry's stance on the issue and agree to perform marriage ceremonies for gay couples. That is not a retcon because the change is recognized, but also a set event that can be universally carried over. 

Or we give people the right to marry with out having to involve the Chantry.



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Hanako Ikezawa

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Or we give people the right to marry with out having to involve the Chantry.

I'd be fine with that. 



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Secular marriage in thedas would also be a great idea. 



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Secular marriage in thedas would also be a great idea. 

Especially since it also avoids the problems Bioware would face with trying to allow the player to marry a LI of a different race and/or religion as well as allowing same sex marriage. 



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My problem with her use of that clip was that she attached it to an argument about females lives being sort of seen as worthless and didn't talk about the fact that this was what that plot was meant to be about. She was seen as worthless by those humans because she was an elf and if you play female your male elf fiance gets pretty much the same treatment for pretty much the same reasons the same reasons. 

 

So yeah it just about fits the trope but not really for the reasons she claimed and her gender was arguably not that important, this is the case with a lot of her examples. 

 

 

I don't understand this argument, it makes no logical sense yet people keep making it. 

 

 

No it hasn't.

 

 

I have been following this discussion, Anita had literally nothing to do with it until she released a video in the middle of it and received death threats, Those threats were blamed on the gamers even though it has now been proven that they had nothing to do with the issue. As I said already, people on both sides of this discussion have behaved horribly. 

 

If you guys wanna talk about this I suggest you take it to PM's. I am happy for anyone to PM me on the issue I have done a lot of research into this recent scandal as well as into Anita's work, her supporters and her critics.

I think your claims to have researched this a lot is a boast. If you had its pretty easy to show that the initial claims the lead to the "Ethics in gamer journalism" front are false.

 

http://deadspin.com/...erga-1646145844

 

"It's important to note that the initial claim that sparked Gamergate was not only untrue, but totally nonsensical—neither Grayson nor anyone else even reviewed the game at Kotaku, and while Grayson did write about Quinn in late March in a feature about a failed reality show, that was before they'd begun their romantic relationship. Nevertheless, fevered accusations that Quinn had traded sex for press began to float around online, and Quinn's sexual history and nude photos were spread around 4chan and IRC. Logs of conversations among her harassers show them to have been unimaginably toxic:"

 

http://www.newsweek....amergate-278063

 

"GamerGate was spawned from an accusation in August that an independent video game developer—Zoe Quinn—had been involved personally with a video games journalist—Nathan Grayson—and that Grayson had written about Quinn’s video game, Depression Quest favorably, as a result of their relationship. Such an arrangement would have been a serious breach of journalistic ethics, but Grayson’s employer, Gawker Media, maintains no such thing happened. Grayson did write about Quinn once—for an article about a reality show—but this was before they got involved personally, said Stephen Totilo, editor-in-chief of Kotaku, a Gawker Media–owned blog about video games.

In theory, GamerGate is about preventing relationships between video game developers and video game journalists from becoming too cozy. In practice, however, it is a tidal wave of online misogyny directed against women like Anita Sarkeesian—who dare speak up against sexism in video games."



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sure we can... just not to each other.



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I would like to state for the record that I believe all marriage is wrong.

 

If I want to spend the rest of my life with one person and be faithful to them, then no political or religious body enters into the equation. That is a bond between me and that other person; no one else is involved. I do not require a ceremony, and indeed feel that ceremony only cheapens the relationship by turning it into a circus display for others. I need no further gesture of commitment than those made in private between my significant other and myself. And I don't hold this union up to be a mile stone by which to measure one's success in life. 


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Really.......?Go play Skyrim.We are a character leading an army to war & of all things you want to get married.No LI gets married in this game.Marriage is a pointless add on to this game.If you want it in DA headcanon it.
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Sorry but Bioware is not forcing their agenda on anyone. They might not reflect YOUR values or the values of YOUR country but the values depicted in Bioware's games reflect the values of the nation the game was made in, Canada...

 

That´s kind of problem if you apply this on DA2 where most of the companions were bi-sexuals which I found hilarious... :D

 

 

Really.......?Go play Skyrim.We are a character leading an army to war & of all things you want to get married.No LI gets married in this game.Marriage is a pointless add on to this game.If you want it in DA headcanon it.

 

 

Indeed, that´s the poin... 



#166
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I really hope they never, never, never add the pointless mechanic of DA marriages.



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Lol, what a dumb topic

 

Of course they can.  But I don't see what relevance it would have to the gameplay


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That´s kind of problem if you apply this on DA2 where most of the companions were bi-sexuals which I found hilarious... :D

 

 
 
/snip response to another post

 

No actually there was only one bi sexual romance option Isabela. She is the ONLY character who talks about her sexuality in the game as liking both sexes. And before you have a stroke saying Not true not true you can romance all with either sex, read...

 

Character creation in DA2 effects the world state. Either your saved game or one of a few defaults all effect what the content of the game is. Your class also effects the world state, your class determines which sibling lives or dies. Your sex determines the sexuality of most of the romanceable companions. The problem was people couldn't grasp the subtly of this it was beyon the ability of most players. Anders doesn't express his feelings about men unless you are a man, Isabela is vocal about her sexuality as well but it always stays bi.

 

The ONLY way you can parse the argument they are bi is from outside the world state, by comparing it to other play throughs if you judge their sexuality only by what they express and do with in any single given play through its clear their sexuality is not bisexual, with the exception of Isabela which clearly states she likes both.

 

Do I think the above was a wise move? It was an experiment that failed.  I do not think people in general are sophisticated enough to understand what was done even when told. While is the ultimate in fair as everyone gets the same choice if people don't understand then its more headache then its worth. So I think it was worth doing to see the results of the experiment, the results show it is not worth doing again. Ironically its just left people to gripe that their fav companion's sexuality isn't compatable with their own now. Bioware can't win.



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No actually there was only one bi sexual romance option Isabela. She is the ONLY character who talks about her sexuality in the game as liking both sexes. And before you have a stroke saying Not true not true you can romance all with either sex, read...

 

Character creation in DA2 effects the world state. Either your saved game or one of a few defaults all effect what the content of the game is. Your class also effects the world state, your class determines which sibling lives or dies. Your sex determines the sexuality of most of the romanceable companions. The problem was people couldn't grasp the subtly of this it was beyon the ability of most players. Anders doesn't express his feelings about men unless you are a man, Isabela is vocal about her sexuality as well but it always stays bi.

 

The ONLY way you can parse the argument they are bi is from outside the world state, by comparing it to other play throughs if you judge their sexuality only by what they express and do with in any single given play through its clear their sexuality is not bisexual, with the exception of Isabela which clearly states she likes both.

 

Do I think the above was a wise move? It was an experiment that failed.  I do not think people in general are sophisticated enough to understand what was done even when told. While is the ultimate in fair as everyone gets the same choice if people don't understand then its more headache then its worth. So I think it was worth doing to see the results of the experiment, the results show it is not worth doing again. Ironically its just left people to gripe that their fav companion's sexuality isn't compatable with their own now. Bioware can't win.

Bioware stated that Anders, Fenris, Isabela, and Merrill are all bisexual at GaymerX this year. 


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#170
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I paid the same. Just how much of that $70 do you think BioWare is going to see, anyway? Hence my approximation.

Well, if I understand the mercantile relationship correctly they'd already sold my copy to Best Buy, so probably none. Their stake in making a salable game isn't that they get a cut of the profits when it sells (at least if they sell through Best Buy) but that Best Buy will buy more copies if the game is good enough that they need more.



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I really hope they never, never, never add the pointless mechanic of DA marriages.

It's just people forcing their real life morals onto characters that wouldn't have a single logical reason to have those morals. I doubt it'll ever happen. 



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Really.......?Go play Skyrim.We are a character leading an army to war & of all things you want to get married.No LI gets married in this game.Marriage is a pointless add on to this game.If you want it in DA headcanon it.

This argument can be used for many other things in the game. To stick with romances, "We are a character leading an army to war & of all things you want to get into a relationship. If you want it in DA headcanon it.".

 

It's just people forcing their real life morals onto characters that wouldn't have a single logical reason to have those morals. I doubt it'll ever happen. 

So asking for a lifestyle to be available in a game is 'forcing' now? 



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I have to ask, since when was it made a rule that when creating a fantasy world, that you have to make everyone equal, and can have no prejudices what so ever, and by even having the smallest amount of prejudice in your world you are clearly projecting some of your own intolerance into a fantasy world?



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So asking for a lifestyle to be available in a game is 'forcing' now? 

No, but you claiming that because you play as them, they should think like you, certainly is. Especially when you've already been told such thinking doesn't exist in Thedas. 



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No, but you claiming that because you play as them, they should think like you, certainly is. Especially when you've already been told such thinking doesn't exist in Thedas. 

Just because I would like the option to play a character that has my lifestyle doesn't mean I want all others to have to partake of it as well. That's the whole point of it being an option. Those who want it can have it, and those who don't want it don't have to have it. How is this forcing? 

 

And such thinking does exist in Thedas. Aveline and Donnic didn't marry for procreation, or titles, or anything like that. It was for love, plain and simple.