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In past Dragon Age games we have been seen a fairly even handed attitude towards the mages and the Templars. Although many of the plot lines forced us to take sides, there was always a choice. Do you think this will remain true in DA:I? Or do you think that the very name Inquisition implies that our goal is to keep the mages in check?

 

I ask because I think the word 'Inquisition' is a bit leading. In the real world of course, the Inquisition were a bunch of intolerant fanatics who went around butchering those who disagreed with their own worldview, and the title of 'Inquisitor' was only held by people who were undeniably evil. In the game world Inquisitors are "hard-liners [who] hunt heretics and mages in the name of the Maker". The Inquisition is feared by the Templars, but only in the sense that the Inquisition roots out Templars who it regards as being insufficiently 'vigilant' in watching the mages. I am not seeing any circumstance in which an Inquisition and an Inquisitor PC could support freedom for mages.

 

I am sure I must be missing something because we will potentially have the head of the Inquisition being a mage (the PC). This seems as bizarre to me as having a known heretic as the head of the real life historical Inquisition.


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I suppose that might be part of the reason why your character is made Inquisitor, because events during the game possibly make it clear that fighting among ourselves when the world is going to potty isn't going to help anyone.

 

They need someone to take charge who has a clear mind, someone from the outside. If a veteran member of the Inquisition or the like became Inquisitor, there's a good chance they'd just continue hunting mages, instead of seeking aid.

 

Or at least, headcanon. 



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Ok, the Doylist approach says that Bioware might have chosen the name "Inquisition" because it sounds cool and powerful, the same as "Templars".

 

In universe, though, we must remember that only a few know of the original Inquisition, so I wouldn't worry much about other people believing that we have to follow an anti-mage agenda. Nevertheless, it's true that of those few, the majority think that the original Inquisition was a fanatic anti-mage group whose "reign of terror" ended thanks to negotiations with the much-loving and tolerant Orlesian Chantry.

 

However, according to our old friend Genitivi, that might have been a moral tale made to give more legitimacy to the Chantry. According to him (World of Thedas, page 106), "all evidence shows they were just as vigilant in their protection of mages as they were of regular people. Any time they intervened, an ad hoc trial was convened to determine the guilty party. This even application of justice led to their poor reputation, as the Seekers came down against every group at one time or another, their Inquisition gaining notoriety as being on no one's side other than their own".

 

As far as we know, the new Inquisition seems truer to Genitivi's depiction than the other boogeyman tales. That doesn't mean that the Inquisition won't fight magic threats (the Breach is one) or mages (the Venatori are led by Teinter mages), but it gives room for PC's decisions about its general policies regarding mages.


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The Inquisition is there to keep order. Think of the Judge system from Judge Dredd. They are the Judge, Jury and Executioner. The same applies here.


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In past Dragon Age games we have been seen a fairly even handed attitude towards the mages and the Templars. Although many of the plot lines forced us to take sides, there was always a choice. Do you think this will remain true in DA:I? Or do you think that the very name Inquisition implies that our goal is to keep the mages in check?
 
I ask because I think the word 'Inquisition' is a bit leading. In the real world of course, the Inquisition were a bunch of intolerant fanatics who went around butchering those who disagreed with their own worldview, and the title of 'Inquisitor' was only held by people who were undeniably evil. In the game world Inquisitors are "hard-liners [who] hunt heretics and mages in the name of the Maker". The Inquisition is feared by the Templars, but only in the sense that the Inquisition roots out Templars who it regards as being insufficiently 'vigilant' in watching the mages. I am not seeing any circumstance in which an Inquisition and an Inquisitor PC could support freedom for mages.
 
I am sure I must be missing something because we will potentially have the head of the Inquisition being a mage (the PC). This seems as bizarre to me as having a known heretic as the head of the real life historical Inquisition.


The real world examples of the Inquisition, while there was plenty wrong with them, were nowhere near as bad as pop culture portrays them. In-universe, the Inquisition is a separate organization from the original. Also, it is perfectly possible that the history of the original Inquisition was distorted by certain parties, like the Chantry.
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In past Dragon Age games we have been seen a fairly even handed attitude towards the mages and the Templars. Although many of the plot lines forced us to take sides, there was always a choice. Do you think this will remain true in DA:I? Or do you think that the very name Inquisition implies that our goal is to keep the mages in check?

we will be able to side with either the mages or templars, I am pretty sure cameron lee stated that we can do this starting from early on in the game so there. :)



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Well, while the real life Inquisition certainly did not shy away from sadistic and cruel practices, they were also protecting their nation and people from insidious enemy subversion which could lead to total foreign conquest and enslavement.  Which had just happened, btw, and took 6 to 700 years to overthrow

 

Now, the Inquisition is invoked here partly from parallels with the real world and partly also from 40k, where the Inquisition fights the corruption and manifestations of demonkind who reside in the warp


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Well, while the real life Inquisition certainly did not shy away from sadistic and cruel practices, they were also protecting their nation and people from insidious enemy subversion which could lead to total foreign conquest and enslavement.  Which had just happened, btw, and took 6 to 700 years to overthrow

 

Now, the Inquisition is invoked here partly from parallels with the real world and partly also from 40k, where the Inquisition fights the corruption and manifestations of demonkind who reside in the warp

I see more similarities with the Warhammer Inquisition than the real world version imo. Beware the alien. The Mutant. The Heretic.


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I believe it was said at some point that the Inquisition is trying to find out who/what caused the Breach.



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The in-game Inquisition has nothing to do with the real world one.   

 

Historically in Thedas there was an organisation, the Inquisition, who it seems were the only group trying to maintain order in the chaos that followed the 1st Blight and Andraste's crusade.   At that time there were innumerable cults and apparently even some people who worshipped the darkspawn!     For all we know, the Inquisition may have followed the teachings of the Chant of Light far more closely than the modern day Chantries do (Black or White).    It would seem there were independent of any particular ruling party (much as the Grey Wardens are meant to be) and hunted down abuses of magic and possibly abusers of power in general.     

 

When the Orlesian Chantry was founded, they eventually persuaded the Inquisition to come under their patronage and they morphed into the Templars.   According to World of Thedas when Drakon founded the Chantry mages were still allowed in society and even serve nobles, provided they didn't rule themselves.    It was only after the Circles were founded that the Inquisition joined the Chantry.     So it would seem that if we were to allow mages back into society but under the supervision of the magical police force that is the Inquisition, we would be getting back pretty much to the role of the Inquisition at its origins.

 

In Asunder the Divine seemed to be trying to be bringing about this sort of  change and apparently the Inquisition was her plan B should the peace talks fail.    However, we are not obliged to toe the Chantry line.   Personally I would be quite happy to enforce the teachings of the Chant of Light provided I could do so equally to nobility as well as commoners.   There is nothing in the Chant of Light that says mages should be locked up in towers; only criticism of people who abuse their power, whether mages or not.   Naturally at the time of Andraste people tended to focus on mages because the tyrannical rulers had been the Magisters of the Tevinter Imperium.     At the present time I would tend to focus more upon the non magical secular rulers who abuse their position whilst claiming to follow the faith of the Maker.

 

Initially though the priority is restoring order from chaos, since this has been fuelling the breach.     That is the main purpose of the fledgling Inquisition and it is up to us what direction we wish it to take in achieving this.


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man u so far out in the field that we are a dot to u



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Presumably Dragon Age: Al-Qaida didn't roll off their tounges as easily as glorifying the vile Inquisition did.


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Well that was unexpected.


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In past Dragon Age games we have been seen a fairly even handed attitude towards the mages and the Templars. Although many of the plot lines forced us to take sides, there was always a choice. Do you think this will remain true in DA:I? Or do you think that the very name Inquisition implies that our goal is to keep the mages in check?

 

I ask because I think the word 'Inquisition' is a bit leading. In the real world of course, the Inquisition were a bunch of intolerant fanatics who went around butchering those who disagreed with their own worldview, and the title of 'Inquisitor' was only held by people who were undeniably evil. In the game world Inquisitors are "hard-liners [who] hunt heretics and mages in the name of the Maker". The Inquisition is feared by the Templars, but only in the sense that the Inquisition roots out Templars who it regards as being insufficiently 'vigilant' in watching the mages. I am not seeing any circumstance in which an Inquisition and an Inquisitor PC could support freedom for mages.

 

I am sure I must be missing something because we will potentially have the head of the Inquisition being a mage (the PC). This seems as bizarre to me as having a known heretic as the head of the real life historical Inquisition.

 

Its called an Inquisition because it is a quasi religious quasi military entity that is IMPOSING its view of the world and its view of Chantry belief on other people.

 

Where the inquisition stands on the Mage templar divide is NOT fixed but you are imposing your will and your interpretation upon the world.



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and compleatly unexpected.



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Well that was unexpected.

 

Indeed, hehehe...

 

And to the topic, the real world Inquisition was nothing more than bunch of powerful Inquisitors - judges, priests, lawyers which were granted powers to be a pain in the ass for anyone who opposed the word of god. Spanish Inquisition was chasing jews, also witches, intelectuals, protestants, templars and they had an influence for a long time, even after the end of medieval age.

 

I kind of hope that there will be a chance to lead Inquisition without compromising with chantry...



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gona see how many Monty python refferances i can do before i feel the need to try and make sence.



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The Inquisition itself is open to interpretation. Both the original and the new one. It's up to us to somewhat define the new. Not have it define us. Or so I heard.

 

The original has a history of being particularly harsh on mages, and it took the Chantry to reign them in.

 

There's also another theory that they were even handed, and that the original Inquisition is just another name for the Seekers. In which case, they went after all types of abuses. 



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rememder this inqusition has nothing to do with the spanish one. other than some similaritys.



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What's it with people and always associating the inquisitions with torture and religious fanatics.

 

And in the real world, you had to worry more about your neighbors than the inquisition.



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While the previous Inquisition was amalgamated into the Chantry, the new Inquisition is literally being reestablished as an independent organization. Prior to the Breach I imagine it's main goal was to end the Mage-Templar War, but now with the entire world in chaos, it's mandate is to close the Breach, find who did it and why and end the chaos  engulfing Thedas.

Since we are there at the beginning and become it's leader, it's totally up to us how we develop it as an organization. Do we become friends with the Chantry? Do we become the Jedi knights of Thedas? Or hopefully, do we turn ourselves into an elite army beholden to no one but invaluable due to our power and influence? 



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Personally I dislike the name Inquisition. Far too religious. I would prefer something like the Legion. 



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Presumably Dragon Age: Al-Qaida didn't roll off their tounges as easily as glorifying the vile Inquisition did.

An inquisition is not the spanish inquisition. And using inquisition as the title is not glorifying the spanish inquisition in anyway. 



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the similaitys are this the Inqusition was a group set up of different organisations braught together to combat a threat to the church.

in our world the threat was other Religions.

here it is the Fade.