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[The Ascendant]

The biggest threat to the Chantry, religious wise, is the Imperial Chantry and the Qun. The Imperial one due to it's pro magi dogma and the Qun because it denies the Maker, among other practices. The Inquisition was originally intended to deal with the rogue Mages and Templars, but with the Breach it's re-shifted it's priority.   

[The Ascendant]

Problem with that with me is that the Wardens kind of already hold that distinction. Why does there have to be another elite, independent body? 

 

I still expect the Inquisition will have a religious dimension to it, whether we like it or not.

The Wardens only exist is to deal with the Darkspawn. While admirable, they completely ignore other problems. True this has ensured their survival but it has also diminished their importance when there are no Blights around. The Inquisition is more than capable of dealing with more than just one problem. 

Darkspawn aren't the only threat to Thedas you know.

[Gothfather]

/snip

 

And in the real world, you had to worry more about your neighbors than the inquisition.

 

Nobody expects the Spanish neighbours....

 

Just not the same.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Problem with that with me is that the Wardens kind of already hold that distinction. Why does there have to be another elite, independent body? 

 

I still expect the Inquisition will have a religious dimension to it, whether we like it or not.

inqusition is an amagam of different groups Templars Grey Wardens ect. each bringing there own skills to the table.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Probably like in DA O its anchient right requireing the other groups participation. or something.

this could be the Theadas version of the Holocaust squads from Judge Dredd Agroup of expendables.

[LOLandStuff]

Well, I think inquisition and the inquisitor makes you sound like a badass. You just radiate badassery.

 

"Step aside, peasants, greatness passing through."

 

Oooh, and that awesome armored unicorn thing from the trailer...

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Yeeeup would have been better if they added Bacon some where.

But Badassdecepticondemonkillingbaconknighwhithascottiscaccenttridingaflaminghorsefromthefuture. didnt test well whith focous groups. 

[TheCreeper]

It's one of those names that has very different connotations in Thedas then it does in Thedas, like Templars, 

 

Also I strongly get the impression we're by and large hijacking the title to our own ends. The Divine seemed to want a group that could stop the Mages and Templars, we're now a organization dedicated to stopping the breach through whatever means we see fit. Which is probably part of why the Chantry declares us heretics at the star.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

NO ONE EXPECTS THE ANDRASTIAN INQUISITION!

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

To late i did that one. we all expected it... try Spam next time.

[The Ascendant]

Well no one expected this! Ladies and gentlemen, Mel Brooks.https://www.youtube....h?v=5ZegQYgygdw

[Mistic]

An inquisition is not the spanish inquisition. And using inquisition as the title is not glorifying the spanish inquisition in anyway. 

 

Agreed. Let's remember that the origin of the name, even in the real world, doesn't mean anything sinister. Inquisition comes from the Latin inquisitio, that means "collecting evidence, inquiry, investigation". It was used to talk about court processes, nothing more. In this regard, both the original and the new Thedosian Inquisitions deserve that name.

 

The Spanish Inquisition was the most famous one, but it wasn't the first (that "honor" goes to France in 1184, the Episcopal Inquisition against the Cathars). Ironically compared to Thedosian standards, its main objective wasn't witches, but heretics, protestants and conversos (people who converted to Christianity but were suspected of being Muslims or Jews in secret).

[Dr_Vile]

Agreed. Let's remember that the origin of the name, even in the real world, doesn't mean anything sinister. Inquisition comes from the Latin inquisitio, that means "collecting evidence, inquiry, investigation". It was used to talk about court processes, nothing more. In this regard, both the original and the new Thedosian Inquisitions deserve that name.

 

Exactly! Inquisition just means that they are looking for an answer to a particular problem - in this case the cause of the Breach, and in the case of the original pre-Chantry Inquisition, a way to deal with Maleficar. They are Seeking the Truth.

 

I really do feel that the RL Inquisition gets far too much of a bad rap due to popular culture demonizing them - the real Inquisitions (at least those under the control of the Papacy) were more concerned with finding and correcting heretical thought than punishing non-believers. They didn't torture (since they viewed confessions obtained through torture to be invalid), and they certainly didn't burn people alive, since the medieval Church simply didn't have the legal authority to execute people - that was the doing of mobs and secular courts. And the idea that they were involved in witchhunts is ludicrous, since the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages declared believing in witchcraft to be heresy, so they'd be more likely to be Inquiring after those doing the witch burning than the poor souls accused of witchcraft.

 

A little off-topic I know, but the phenomenon of Historical Villain Upgrade really riles me up.

[Xilizhra]

Exactly! Inquisition just means that they are looking for an answer to a particular problem - in this case the cause of the Breach, and in the case of the original pre-Chantry Inquisition, a way to deal with Maleficar. They are Seeking the Truth.

 

I really do feel that the RL Inquisition gets far too much of a bad rap due to popular culture demonizing them - the real Inquisitions (at least those under the control of the Papacy) were more concerned with finding and correcting heretical thought than punishing non-believers. They didn't torture (since they viewed confessions obtained through torture to be invalid), and they certainly didn't burn people alive, since the medieval Church simply didn't have the legal authority to execute people - that was the doing of mobs and secular courts. And the idea that they were involved in witchhunts is ludicrous, since the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages declared believing in witchcraft to be heresy, so they'd be more likely to be Inquiring after those doing the witch burning than the poor souls accused of witchcraft.

 

A little off-topic I know, but the phenomenon of Historical Villain Upgrade really riles me up.

Not that hunting people with different belief systems makes them any better.

[Dr_Vile]

Not that hunting people with different belief systems makes them any better.

Except that was the status quo of the time - heresy, apostasy and heathenry were absolutely not tolerated (except in the Islamic Caliphates, ironically enough). Viewing them in historical context makes them pretty fair for their day.

[herkles]

Except that was the status quo of the time - heresy, apostasy and heathenry were absolutely not tolerated (except in the Islamic Caliphates, ironically enough). Viewing them in historical context makes them pretty fair for their day.

Not to mention, I read in a few places that the inquistion was actually one of the places for the modern court system, not sure if it is true as I can't remember the source's name. 

[Dr_Vile]

Not to mention, I read in a few places that the inquistion was actually one of the places for the modern court system, not sure if it is true as I can't remember the source's name. 

It depends which court system - the adversarial approach used in many countries is often cited as an English invention, whilst the Inquisition itself used something more akin to military tribunals - a number of Inquisition members hearing evidence against the accused and then passing judgement.

 

Anyway, we're getting off-topic, so we should probably leave off here.

[Xilizhra]

Except that was the status quo of the time - heresy, apostasy and heathenry were absolutely not tolerated (except in the Islamic Caliphates, ironically enough). Viewing them in historical context makes them pretty fair for their day.

Oh, I'm not denying that. Just saying that the order of the day was utterly evil.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

 

I ask because I think the word 'Inquisition' is a bit leading. In the real world of course, the Inquisition were a bunch of intolerant fanatics who went around butchering those who disagreed with their own worldview, and the title of 'Inquisitor' was only held by people who were undeniably evil. 

 

http://dictionary.re...wse/inquisitive

http://dictionary.re...owse/inquisitor

 

Just because someone has perverted a word or meaning, and made negative connotations to said word or meaning - does not change the actual meaning of said word. 

Take the swastika for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
It is considered negative due to its link with the Nazi party, but the actual meaning of said symbol does not represent Nazi ideology by any stretch.

There are plenty of cases with this in history. Words being considered negative due to historical events, ideologies, misuse, cultural differences or other factors.

[Erinski92]

Okay so this shouldn't be a spoiler by now I hope. From what I can understand the Divine forms the Inquisition as a back-up plan for if/when the Seekers and Templars rebel. She expected a war with the Mages and helped them escape the White Spire. The Inquisition is going to be whole new organization I think, independent from everybody by the time our Inquisitor takes over in order to focus on healing the world. It also won't be like the first Inquisition which became the Seekers. In the end, I think if the mages get persecuted further it will be by your Inquisitor's own hand. 

[Demon Velsper]

Agreed. Let's remember that the origin of the name, even in the real world, doesn't mean anything sinister. Inquisition comes from the Latin inquisitio, that means "collecting evidence, inquiry, investigation". It was used to talk about court processes, nothing more. In this regard, both the original and the new Thedosian Inquisitions deserve that name.

 

The first Inquisition was made to commit genocide on the Cathars, the fact that the word itself means something else is irrelevant. If Ted Bundy had called his killing of people Operation Blue Skies and Puppies that wouldn't have made it any better. The Inquisition was a vile institution and Bioware are glorifying it by making it seem cool and something good.

 

The swastika doesn't mean anything sinister either originally, paint one though and you'll be seen as it.

[KaiserShep]

Problem with that with me is that the Wardens kind of already hold that distinction. Why does there have to be another elite, independent body? 

 

I still expect the Inquisition will have a religious dimension to it, whether we like it or not.

 

Aside from their intended purpose, the problem with the Grey Wardens is that their recruitment process is just too high risk for this sort of thing. Potential recruits, no matter how keen they are in politics or combat, can just up and die during the Joining.

If an organization such as the Chantry wanted an elite army of overseers, the Grey Wardens would be a poor choice.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

The first Inquisition was made to commit genocide on the Cathars, the fact that the word itself means something else is irrelevant. If Ted Bundy had called his killing of people Operation Blue Skies and Puppies that wouldn't have made it any better. The Inquisition was a vile institution and Bioware are glorifying it by making it seem cool and something good.

 

The swastika doesn't mean anything sinister either originally, paint one though and you'll be seen as it.

Uhh no they arn't is Full metal alchemist glorefying the Nazis by setting there world in a fûher state and even aludeing to the realworld events? 

you can use real events in fiction without political statements. 

Terry prattchet had a JFK assasanation refference in men at arms. my point is this.. So what?