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[TCBC_Freak]

The first Inquisition was made to commit genocide on the Cathars, the fact that the word itself means something else is irrelevant. If Ted Bundy had called his killing of people Operation Blue Skies and Puppies that wouldn't have made it any better. The Inquisition was a vile institution and Bioware are glorifying it by making it seem cool and something good.

 

The swastika doesn't mean anything sinister either originally, paint one though and you'll be seen as it.

 

So other peoples ignorance should dictate words, terms, and symbols that we or a company making a game can use? You know if you go to any Buddhist nation the "swastika" is all over because it is also the Buddhist symbol for peace, and no one sees it as anything else because they are smart enough to learn about the real meaning of a thing before they jump to judgment and yell, "take that down, it is offensive!"

 

And your name is Demon, so we shouldn't trust anything you say or do right? After all, demons are just trouble makers. Clearly you're just trying to start a argument, after all you wouldn't use that name if it wasn't your intent to mean 100% what I think it means... regardless of historical context of the name or what you'd say, likely that its just a silly name and I'm putting way too much weight into it.........

[Blue Item]

The first Inquisition was made to commit genocide on the Cathars, the fact that the word itself means something else is irrelevant. If Ted Bundy had called his killing of people Operation Blue Skies and Puppies that wouldn't have made it any better. The Inquisition was a vile institution and Bioware are glorifying it by making it seem cool and something good.

 

The swastika doesn't mean anything sinister either originally, paint one though and you'll be seen as it.

 

We'd be very limited in our choice of media with this logic. We shouldn't even have this game, Inquisition or not, because it glorifies the vile act of war. We also definitely shouldn't have the Mass Effect series, as it glorifies...hmmmmm, there are a few decent targets: war again, happiness in slavery for the drell, xenophobia and intolerance if you take all of the renegade options, gun violence and violence in general, thievery through Kasumi, etc. No Jade Empire either, as its partially based on Wuxia China (and mostly Bridge of Birds, fabulous book), and China has some very repressive periods (side note: Not picking on China specifically, I'd bet it's pretty hard to find a country that didn't horrendously abuse some group in their history). Black Whirlwind is probably enough to get the game censored by himself, never mind all of the other cruel things you can do.  Better remove the KOTOR games too, as once again we have the glorification of violence and war, especially in the Mandalorians.

 

And that's just me extrapolating reasons from what your post seems to suggest about your own values. If we open it up to a variety of different value systems, we get even more reasons for censoring this game, as well as every genre. Now, there's no reason we can't have a reasonable discussion about what is and isn't appropriate for media to cover in certain ways. I personally think that no topic should be censored in media -- while I'd prefer that sensitive topics are treated with class and respect, I understand that these are very subjective notions, and what I find respectful someone else might find deeply offensive. With that thought in mind, I'd rather we err on the side of allowing various interpretations of topic -- if something is truly unpalatable, well that product will simply not sell, potentially taking the company with it.

 

Post Script: You literally have demon in your forum name. By your own logic, you're glorifying the biggest evil in Christian religions. While I'm not particularily religious myself, I'm sure someone who is would be perfectly happy in throwing your words about glotifying something vile right back at you.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Infact the version the Nazis used was Nordic and a symbol of Thor's Mjolnier more specificaly the Germanic version of Thor Doner and his hammer Phunras. it was a symbol of Power and protection. the symbol is found in many cultures arround the world.  

[Fidite Nemini]

I ask because I think the word 'Inquisition' is a bit leading. In the real world of course, the Inquisition were a bunch of intolerant fanatics who went around butchering those who disagreed with their own worldview, and the title of 'Inquisitor' was only held by people who were undeniably evil.

 

 

I suggest you go and educate yourself on the various iterations of historical Inquisitions, then come back and look upon what you wrote and be embarrassed.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Oh im quite familier with the topic. but the name still fits the story regardless of real world history or politics.

heck we have games whith Nazies in them today dont we?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=5ZxZ0pI6hD0

[Mistic]

The first Inquisition was made to commit genocide on the Cathars, the fact that the word itself means something else is irrelevant. If Ted Bundy had called his killing of people Operation Blue Skies and Puppies that wouldn't have made it any better. The Inquisition was a vile institution and Bioware are glorifying it by making it seem cool and something good.

 

The swastika doesn't mean anything sinister either originally, paint one though and you'll be seen as it.

 

Given that the first use of the term wasn't medieval at all, but about Roman court processes, I think the swastika example applies here too. Nevertheless, I agree that Bioware might not have been so keen on using the name if the best known form of the Inquisition (behold, the Inquisition still exists today) hadn't disappeared centuries ago. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if the PC has options to make the Thedosian Inquisition as sinister as the medieval one.

 

I really do feel that the RL Inquisition gets far too much of a bad rap due to popular culture demonizing them - the real Inquisitions (at least those under the control of the Papacy) were more concerned with finding and correcting heretical thought than punishing non-believers. They didn't torture (since they viewed confessions obtained through torture to be invalid), and they certainly didn't burn people alive, since the medieval Church simply didn't have the legal authority to execute people - that was the doing of mobs and secular courts. And the idea that they were involved in witchhunts is ludicrous, since the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages declared believing in witchcraft to be heresy, so they'd be more likely to be Inquiring after those doing the witch burning than the poor souls accused of witchcraft.

 

Yes and no. There was torture too, although under specific rules, and it doesn't really matter if it was the secular authorities who burnt the prisoners when the Inquisition asked them to do so. There were witchhunts too. As you said, the church experts declared believing in witchcraft to be heresy, but that didn't stop the early modern witch-hunt craze even in Catholic countries. In Spain, for example, several witches were burnt in an auto de fe of the Inquisition in Logroño in 1609, influenced by the even harsher witch-hunting done by judge Pierre de Lancre in Labourd, France.

 

However, it's true that some Inquisitors noticed the irregularities of the process and the Supreme Council of the Spanish Inquisition sent one of their agents, Alonso de Salazar, to investigate. His conclusions were that there was no proof, that the process was carried out without enough legal guarantees (Even Evil Has Standards, as TVTropes would say), found out rational reasons to explain the witch panic, and issued intructions not to repeat the mistake again. His recommendations influenced the Spanish Inquisition, who turned from hunter of supposed witches to sceptic and lenient. Sadly, paranoid secular authorities still tried to kill several "witches" and sometimes succeeded if the Inquisition wasn't fast enough to put the cases under its jurisdiction; yes, at that time, it was the Spanish Inquisition who was saving people accused of witchcraft (accused of protestantism or false conversion wouldn't care about it, mind you).

[Darkly Tranquil]

Because "The Amazing Breach-Closing Guys" doesn't have quite the same punch as "Inquisition".

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

i still preffer Badassdecepticondemonkillingbaconknighwhithascottiscaccenttridingaflaminghorsefromthefuture. my self..infact Bioware im trademarking that name.

[Xilizhra]

Post Script: You literally have demon in your forum name. By your own logic, you're glorifying the biggest evil in Christian religions. While I'm not particularily religious myself, I'm sure someone who is would be perfectly happy in throwing your words about glotifying something vile right back at you.

Well, said poster has the advantage of only glorifying something that doesn't exist.

[Ponku]

The real world inquisition was a really bad thing when it happened, and countries which avoided it were much better because of that, so please stop saying that they did anything good. So for anyone that read about history the word bring rather bad associations.

When i first learned that the DA3 will have a title "Inqusition" and that the player will lead it, i was taken aback. I thought "i will have to be bad guy?" and that i will be part of templar inqusition. Even if i had the opportunity to turn around and support mages, i found it very disturbing if my character is require to be on the templar side for even a second.

But later i've heard, that it wont be templar inquisition against the mages, but inquisition gathered from every people to fight the demons from the breach. That it means that it have nothing to do with templars. At least i hope i understand it correctly now. But still the choice of word was very bad and they should thought of better one, one that don't bring so much negativity with it. Just that real world inquisition happened so long time ago, it shouldn't mean it is more okay to call a game like that, than it would be to call it Dragon Age: Fascists

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Therw were several inqusitions. plus why arnt you questioning the templars? they comitted atrositys to. 

[Ponku]

I dont know if it was to me su lu pi, but if yes, then i did say that i condone templars (that thinking that having to be on their side even for a second would be bad). I just thought it didnt require any more to say, because i thought it's obvious that templars here are bad guys (maybe driven by somewhat good intentions, although terribly missed ones, but the fact they think are good doesnt make their actions and principles any less bad) and they do commit attrocities. I would be probably equally disturbed with a titlle  Dragon Age: Templars Are Great

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Nah wasnt directed at anyone in general. but you realy need a bit of leway when going into fantasy. almost all have a Cleric class based off the Medevil Church. and if you look hard enought at any religion / groop you find skelletons in the closett. 

For instance the Brittish invented the Consentration camp ect. 

[herkles]

The real world inquisition was a really bad thing when it happened, and countries which avoided it were much better because of that, so please stop saying that they did anything good. So for anyone that read about history the word bring rather bad associations.

 

When i first learned that the DA3 will have a title "Inqusition" and that the player will lead it, i was taken aback. I thought "i will have to be bad guy?" and that i will be part of templar inqusition. Even if i had the opportunity to turn around and support mages, i found it very disturbing if my character is require to be on the templar side for even a second.

 

But later i've heard, that it wont be templar inquisition against the mages, but inquisition gathered from every people to fight the demons from the breach. That it means that it have nothing to do with templars. At least i hope i understand it correctly now. But still the choice of word was very bad and they should thought of better one, one that don't bring so much negativity with it. Just that real world inquisition happened so long time ago, it shouldn't mean it is more okay to call a game like that, than it would be to call it Dragon Age: Fascists

 

Most european countries which did not have the inquistion tended to be protestant, and in the protestant countries witch hunting was a big thing. What we are talking about is the historical inquisiton, not the pop-culture view of it. I wouldn't say the inquistion was good, but pop-culture likes to give numerous misconceptions to the inquistion, and the middle ages in general. 

 

P.S having spaces between paragraphs helps

[Ponku]

Poland doesn't suffered from inquisition, yet it is and was very christian country. Historical inqusition did involve witch hunting and it was a cruel and bad thing, a little different from what is widely known now as pop culuture inqusition, but different doesnt mean better or less cruel.

 

I know tthat there are a lot of misconception about middle ages. or instance the main bulk of what is called inquisition now actually doesnt happened in middle ages, Back then the official state of church was that magic does not exist, only later when people became more "open" they started believing in magic and condemning people for it or for working with devil.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Dine care to mutch still getting the game regardless. if we didnt evolve as a culture we would still snun Wiccans and hate anyone from Germany. the Inqusition is loooooong gone. 

[LOLandStuff]

People and their main problem of bringing up real life issues into fantasy settings.

 

I'd be more concerned about not being able anymore to differentiate between what's real and what's not if I'd be keeping up like that.

[Sifr]

For the same reason as you should ask, why the name "Wardens?"

 

Surely I'm not the only person to whom that word conjures images of the traffic wombles, rather than monster slayers?

[Sir DeLoria]

Well, the Knights Templar were an order of knights dedicated to protecting pilgrims and the Holy Lands. Then later turned to banking and finances, became too powerful and was dissolved by the church. In their later period they were also said to be far more tolerant of other ethnicities and religions than the majority of Christians at the time.

I don't think you can draw any parallels between DA names and their RL counterparts.

Still, 'Templar' is a much more beautiful word than 'Inquisition'.

[AlexiaRevan]

I personally don't think the Inquisition in the game would be similar to Inquisition in real life . And I dont think it was made for the purpose of mages only . I think its first task is to bring order and take care of any war going on (Hence why we will take care of the Templar/mage issue in the beginning) . And later , probably will tackles others issue...maybe Orlais problemes..Seekers..and chantry . And any other issue like demons and stuff . 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

For the same reason as you should ask, why the name "Wardens?"

 

Surely I'm not the only person to whom that word conjures images of the traffic wombles, rather than monster slayers?

Sorry but any mention of Womble s instantly wins any thread in my book.

Bioware next game is

Womlbe Age Badassdecepticondemonkillingbaconknighwhithascottiscaccenttridingaflaminghorsefromthefuture.

Make it happen.

[VengefulTimor]

You have some valid concerns. After all the Spanish Inquisition isn't famous for its tolerance. However the term Inquisition is a also a verb, its where we get the term "inquest". So when for example a government looks into corruption within itself it forms an "inquest" to seek out whatever is responsible. TSo I guess Inquisition in DA:I is named for its action: going out and investigating whatever is causing the fade rifts in the game. 

[Super Drone]

For the same reason as you should ask, why the name "Wardens?"

 

Surely I'm not the only person to whom that word conjures images of the traffic wombles, rather than monster slayers?

 

US players likely think of the head administrator of a prison. I don't know the term Warden in regards to traffic. Or what a womble is. 

 

Guard-rail? 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

 

I don't know what a Womble is. 

 Oh my you poor soul you need to let Orinoco into your hart .

for are we not all Under ground. over ground Wombeling free?

Remember you'r a Wombel.. we all are Wombels.