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Two errors in the Keep confirmed at Pax Australia


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I am having an incredible time at Pax Australia. I got a signed Iron Bull poster and have seen some more demo footage etc. 

 

Mike Laidlaw answered my question in the Q&A about the "Cullen Friendship" option in the Keep. He said that it should have been taken out already, that it didn't make sense and wasn't tracked in DA:I. 

 

Aidan Scanlan also confirmed to me in a private conversation that you should indeed be able to have Morrigan's human baby even if you went on to romance another character. He expected this to be fixed by the time open beta ended. 

 

 

I am really glad I got this info... I had spent ages trying think through whether my Hawk was friends with Cullen or not.


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 These Cullenites are influencing the Bioware devs too much.

 

 

I remember a month or two ago... that option was not there at all.  Even the one where you can agree and disagree with Cullen before fighting Uldred in the Broken Circle, that's quite unnecesary.

 

 


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oh good, I was getting a headache over these two choices.



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 These Cullenites are influencing the Bioware devs too much.

 

 

I remember a month or two ago... that option was not there at all.  Even the one where you can agree and disagree with Cullen before fighting Uldred in the Broken Circle, that's quite unnecesary.

Yeah, that seemed really redundant to me. If you choose not to kill the mages, you obviously didn't take Cullen's deal. I don't know why they had that on there personally.


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They have many choices that aren't tracked in Inquisition though so I'm a little suspicious about this.



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I am having an incredible time at Pax Australia. I got a signed Iron Bull poster and have seen some more demo footage etc. 

 

Mike Laidlaw answered my question in the Q&A about the "Cullen Friendship" option in the Keep. He said that it should have been taken out already, that it didn't make sense and wasn't tracked in DA:I. 

 

Aidan Scanlan also confirmed to me in a private conversation that you should indeed be able to have Morrigan's human baby even if you went on to romance another character. He expected this to be fixed by the time open beta ended. 

 

 

I am really glad I got this info... I had spent ages trying think through whether my Hawk was friends with Cullen or not.

what are you talking about? They said on friday, that due to the complexities they are only tracking one romance, so to get the human baby you need to be romancing morrigan.

 

As for the Cullen tile, we shall see. However it being recently added why would they then remove it? It makes as much sense as the prisoner at ostegar and hubert caravans



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They may only be tracking one romance. But Aidan was under the impression you should be able to track having had sex wit Morrigan in terms of producing human spawn. 


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They currently are only tracking one romance. In the stream they said that they can assume there was a human baby from a morrigan romance without the DR but added it by request and it helps clarify for people who weren't aware.



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To be quite honest with you, I had to go back and replay the game (DA2) to see where Cullen was.  He was, in my opinion, quite forgettable.  But then again, I'm a male.  I understand the effect that he has on a lot of the females.

 

Don't get it, but I understand it.


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I don't agree. I was looking forward to hear Cullen talk about Hawke like a friend. :(
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I am having an incredible time at Pax Australia. I got a signed Iron Bull poster and have seen some more demo footage etc. 

 

Mike Laidlaw answered my question in the Q&A about the "Cullen Friendship" option in the Keep. He said that it should have been taken out already, that it didn't make sense and wasn't tracked in DA:I. 

 

Aidan Scanlan also confirmed to me in a private conversation that you should indeed be able to have Morrigan's human baby even if you went on to romance another character. He expected this to be fixed by the time open beta ended. 

 

 

I am really glad I got this info... I had spent ages trying think through whether my Hawk was friends with Cullen or not.

 

Bullshit.  Just because something isn't going to be tracked in Inquisition, doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the Keep at all...  That was the whole purpose of the Keep.  To continually add choices that may, or may not, be important to future games.

 

After all, I highly doubt the Prisoner of Ostagar choice is going to be reflected in DAI.... Why doesn't Mike Laidlaw advocate removing it as well?

 

Cullen's Friendship should be taken out because the tile itself is confusing... But there really is no other reason than that for it's removal...


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The reason for pointing it out isn't to say that just because it isn't tracked it shouldn't be there. I am for there being lots of choices that aren't in da:I. The reason for pointing out it isn't something to worry about (for now).

The tile shouldn't be in there because "friendship" with Cullen is super unclear in the game not just the tile.

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They currently are only tracking one romance. In the stream they said that they can assume there was a human baby from a morrigan romance without the DR but added it by request and it helps clarify for people who weren't aware.


Can you give a source?

I am just relaying what was said. Presumably in DA:I the pregnancy and romance are treated as separately in terms of dialogue etc. we will have to wait and see.

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Bullshit.  Just because something isn't going to be tracked in Inquisition, doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the Keep at all...  That was the whole purpose of the Keep.  To continually add choices that may, or may not, be important to future games.

 

After all, I highly doubt the Prisoner of Ostagar choice is going to be reflected in DAI.... Why doesn't Mike Laidlaw advocate removing it as well?

 

Cullen's Friendship should be taken out because the tile itself is confusing... But there really is no other reason than that for it's removal...

 

Keep in mind that there's hardly a chance that choice will ever be tracked in any DA game.

 

If Cullen isn't going to talk to the Inquisitor about his relationship with Hawke, why would he talk about it in a later DA game?


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Keep in mind that there's hardly a chance that choice will ever be tracked in any DA game.

 

If Cullen isn't going to talk to the Inquisitor about his relationship with Hawke, why would he talk about it in a later DA game?

 

There's hardly a chance that Hubert's caravans or the Ostagar Prisoner will be tracked in any DA game either...  The purpose in including them now isn't to imply they ever will... It's to flesh out a world state so it feels like your own personal one, rather than having it just be a list of choices that will be imported into the next DA game...

 

I understand Laidlaw when he says that the tile/question is confusing... And it should be removed because of it...  But if the reason is "it isn't tracked", then that's not a good enough reason to remove something from the Keep.


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I mean this with full respect for fans of Cullen, who are lovely people, but I find it baffling that what essentially boils down to "headcanon that only matters to people who really care about Cullen" was included in the Keep before major characters like Velanna or Sigrun or major plot points like the events in the Alienage of DA:O, or if you rivalled/friended certain DA2 characters.

 

I assumed it had to be because it would be in Inquisition...like Cullen would reference that when he sees/hears about Hawke, but knowing that it's not going to be an import....just a strange priority, I guess. :P


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If my Hawke encounters Cullen he is going to kick him square in the balls.

 

Cullen: "Meredith no!  I say no!  We are not going to execute the Champion, we did not agree on this!!!"

 

Hawke: "Good ole Cullen always was a good buddy of mine"

 

Cullen: "We just agreed to arrest him and toss him in the dungeon!"

 

Hawke:  "Wait......wut???"


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I can already see the friendship path with Cullen and Hawke.

 

Cullen: Hawke was a great friend. We talked once, at best, every 3 years and even though he kept siding with the mages and screwing the organization I firmly support over, I've never known anyone better!


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Bullshit. Just because something isn't going to be tracked in Inquisition, doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the Keep at all... That was the whole purpose of the Keep. To continually add choices that may, or may not, be important to future games.

After all, I highly doubt the Prisoner of Ostagar choice is going to be reflected in DAI.... Why doesn't Mike Laidlaw advocate removing it as well?

Cullen's Friendship should be taken out because the tile itself is confusing... But there really is no other reason than that for it's removal...


The reason for its removal is the fact that Cullen's friendship wasn't a part of DA2 at all. It's a confusing choice.

That being said I do disagree with the idea that choices shouldn't be in if they don't impact DAI.
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The option to be friendly to Cullen would make a lot more sense and I would expect that to be address in DA:I since he did know the champion. That said, if it is irrelevant when it comes to DA:I, it makes no sense to put that option there because it is not part of the main story or even a side quest. 


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I didn't get the 'Hawke friends with Cullen' tile either. I don't really remember it being part of DA2 (them being friends or not). Cullen's decisions at the end of da2 seems to happen whether you were polite, rude, pro-Mage or anti-Mage. So not sure why it's there.

You could sleep with Morrigan and then romance someone else so that could explain why the Warden could have a child with Morrigan but have a romance with someone else. It makes more sense if it's in a romance but it was possible without it.

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Thank god. The Cullen choice made no sense and it confused the heck out of me.


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Why on earth would you even have a Cullen friendship option? You talk to the guy about three times in seven years. His presence in DA2 is both redundant and inconsistent with his attitude after Broken Circle in DAO. The Cullenite cult must have some serious dirt on the devs. The amount they get catered to is insane.
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 These Cullenites are influencing the Bioware devs too much.

 

 

I remember a month or two ago... that option was not there at all.  Even the one where you can agree and disagree with Cullen before fighting Uldred in the Broken Circle, that's quite unnecesary.

It's a cult now.



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Hey be nice to the Cullenites. Can't blame them for asking for things--we all do. ;)

I suspect their interests just align more with the devs than say us lonely, lonely Velanna lovers. The few the proud the...lonely.
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