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[pinkjellybeans]

So does this mean Cullen won't encounter Hawke? I always thought the reason for that tile would be because when Hawke comes along it would determine how Cullen would talk to/about her/him. Very much like the Varric tile. Yes, it's a bit extreme to call it friends since there's nothing canon that proves they could even be friends, but I guess they wanted us to choose the way Cullen would treat Hawke. Which makes sense to me. But now I'm just confused.

[veeia]

No I am sure he will, but Cullen's relationship with Hawke was never developed outside of M/T stuff that is already covered in the Keep. And even with that, its a very small variance (he seemed a bit friendlier if you weren't super anti Templar) and the ending of the game changes that status quo anyway. I suspect Cullen will have different dialogue with Hawke based on Hawkes different choices, but not based in friendship like with Varric, who actually could have a significant variation there due to rivalry.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

hay we dont know what happened between acts im pictureing a Buddy cop movie with Hawke and Cullen... Ooooh no a Weekend at Bernies.

[Samahl]

Yeah, that seemed really redundant to me. If you choose not to kill the mages, you obviously didn't take Cullen's deal. I don't know why they had that on there personally.

 

Can't you lie about it? I'm not sure why that would be important to anything, but it's still possible, isn't it?

 

That aside, I strongly agree with this post:

 

I mean this with full respect for fans of Cullen, who are lovely people, but I find it baffling that what essentially boils down to "headcanon that only matters to people who really care about Cullen" was included in the Keep before major characters like Velanna or Sigrun or major plot points like the events in the Alienage of DA:O, or if you rivalled/friended certain DA2 characters.

 

I assumed it had to be because it would be in Inquisition...like Cullen would reference that when he sees/hears about Hawke, but knowing that it's not going to be an import....just a strange priority, I guess.

[veeia]

Well that's why I said it was headcanon. which is great! But doesn't really have a place in the Keep unless for some reason they want you to fill in some blanks for an import.

After all, people can headcanon that their elvish lady warden became queen co-ruling with her lover Anora, but they've made it quite clear that won't go into the Keep.

[SpiritMuse]

As much as I like Cullen, I was confused by this tile, too, since I've never noticed him treating Hawke any differently no matter what I said to him. That said, it would make sense if something like this were tracked, seeing as how we'll be dealing with both Hawke and Cullen in DAI.

What bothers me more though is the fact that most of the Awakening companions are missing, and that Nathaniel is listed under Origins companions instead of Awakening.

[pinkjellybeans]

Well that's why I said it was headcanon. which is great! But doesn't really have a place in the Keep unless for some reason they want you to fill in some blanks for an import.

After all, people can headcanon that their elvish lady warden became queen co-ruling with her lover Anora, but they've made it quite clear that won't go into the Keep.

 

Well the purpose of the Keep is to create your own unique world so that's why it made sense to me even being a headcanon. But if that choice won't impact on how Cullen will speak to Hawke then I think that tile is useless and I don't understand why they created it in the first place. But ONLY if it doesn't have an impact on Inquisition. Which I'm assuming is the case since they said they will remove it. 

[Kantr]

why did you make two threads on it anyway?

[Ellyria]

Yeah, that seemed really redundant to me. If you choose not to kill the mages, you obviously didn't take Cullen's deal. I don't know why they had that on there personally.

 

But you can side with the Templars after defeating Uldred without taking Cullen's deal which will allow you to keep Wynne, whereas taking Cullen's deal makes her attack you and you kill Irving. That's probably why "Cullen's Deal" is a tile.

[boogieN7]

To be quite honest with you, I had to go back and replay the game (DA2) to see where Cullen was.  He was, in my opinion, quite forgettable.  But then again, I'm a male.  I understand the effect that he has on a lot of the females.

 

Don't get it, but I understand it.

You and me both.  When the Inquisition train got rolling and everyone was chatting about him I had to reach really far to figure out who he was... didn't even know he was the same guy from Origins.  And I've played these games a lot!  But hey, I'm not going to complain about a developer listening to their fans lol.

[AltanIV]

To be quite honest with you, I had to go back and replay the game (DA2) to see where Cullen was.  He was, in my opinion, quite forgettable.  But then again, I'm a male.  I understand the effect that he has on a lot of the females.
 
Don't get it, but I understand it.

 
Can't say I disagree.

[boogieN7]

I understand this could probably produce spoilers in a round a bout way but, I'd of liked it if the tiles that ARE going to be tracked in some way in Inquistion (codex entry, returning characters, blah blah) had an asterisk or some kind symbol or indicator to let people know 'This is going to impact DAI'.  At least that way we'd know which tiles to actually worry about.  I get though why they'd not include something along those lines, it would just be useful is all.

[KC_Prototype]

See, that's what gets me, why should we suggest plot points if the game already has a set of them track or not tracked?

[Illyria]

Yeah, that seemed really redundant to me. If you choose not to kill the mages, you obviously didn't take Cullen's deal. I don't know why they had that on there personally.

 

Actually, they're different.  If you take Cullen's deal then the First Enchanter dies (becaue you've agreed to kill everyone up there, demon or no), if you don't take Cullen's deal but do side with the Templers then the First Enchanter can surive.

[Reznore57]

Actually, they're different.  If you take Cullen's deal then the First Enchanter dies (becaue you've agreed to kill everyone up there, demon or no), if you don't take Cullen's deal but do side with the Templers then the First Enchanter can surive.

 

But there's already a tile with Irving surviving or not.

 

Anyway I'm pretty pissed at Cullen friendship tile and no Morrigan BFF tile.

I mean finding out there was no friendship with Morrigan made me realise how she'll act in DAI is mostly related to the OGB and what you did at the Eluvian.

I was so thrilled to find out being her only friend in the world didn't matter at all in the end.

 

There's no Cullen friendship in DA2 , at best you have a cordial relationship with him .

Now I guess it's easier to put fluff stuff like this which isn't tied to anything else , it's probably an isolated choice with no consequences on other part of the tapestry.

But I don't know , getting even Genitivi's fate would have been better for me.

[Illyria]

But there's already a tile with Irving surviving or not.

 

Anyway I'm pretty pissed at Cullen friendship tile and no Morrigan BFF tile.

I mean finding out there was no friendship with Morrigan made me realise how she'll act in DAI is mostly related to the OGB and what you did at the Eluvian.

I was so thrilled to find out being her only friend in the world didn't matter at all in the end.

 

There's no Cullen friendship in DA2 , at best you have a cordial relationship with him .

Now I guess it's easier to put fluff stuff like this which isn't tied to anything else , it's probably an isolated choice with no consequences on other part of the tapestry.

But I don't know , getting even Genitivi's fate would have been better for me.

 

If you say you took Cullen's deal then the Keep automatically changes Irving to dying.  He can either die because you killed everyone up there, or because you were too slow at using the Litany/chose not to use it at all.

[Dabrikishaw]

Why did these choices exist?

[Monoten]

No way, I liked the choice to decide whether Hawke is a friend of Cullen or not. Didn't make any story sense, but I liked the idea that you could decide it anyway.

[WidePaul]

I was confused by this and assumed it would impact how Cullen spoke to/about Hawke in DA:I like many others here, but if its removed I won't make a fuss over it.

Someone mentioned about not including the fate of brother Genitivi, I guess whether he died or not doesn't matter ultimately as Inquisition starts at the sacred ashes temple so word got out about it regardless of whether he was stopped or not.

[Patriciachr34]

I got the impression that Cullen was my friend.  When I walked into the Gallows ans spoke with Cullen (either act 2 or 3) he says, "Hawke, my friend!" and throws his arms wide.  I've gotten this in both a mage and a Templar play through.  I think it all has to do with the way you handle the the Templar possession thing and how you interact with Cullen in your conversations.

[Panda]

I hope they will include Morrigans human baby even if you romanced someone else since one of my Wardens romanced Leliana but had human baby with Morrigan and I wouldn't want to chose old god baby option instead of human since then Loghain would be alive still and I wouldn't like to do dark ritual with all of my wardens.

 

I like the Cullen tile since him being friends with my Hawkes is what I felt in DA2, there was even dialogue choices like Hawke referring him as old friend. However since it seems there is no impact for that choice in DAI (no Cullen/Hawke interaction then : /) and the tile can be confusing especially if you didn't talk to Cullen much (he doesn't have just one dialogue but for players who didn't want to talk him It might seem like he had very minor part).

[Jester]

I'm honestly starting to get fed up with all this Cullen bullshit.

The option of friendship in the Keep made me like "WAT?". There was no indication of friendship with Cullen in DA2. Hell, he was a tertiary character in DA2. He was a forgetable douchebag in DA:O. I didn't even realize that it's the same person, until I started to dig more deeply into both games. 

 

It's bad enough that he's suddenly one of the most influential people in Thedas. Stop trying to artificially boost his importance in previous titles via Keep, because honestly - this could be any no-name dude in his place, and no one would notice.

And I hate the fact that they suddenly made him lenient towards mages. HE WANTED TO EXTERMINATE ENTIRE CIRCLE, AND ARGUED WITH HIS COMMANDER ABOUT THAT! Are you trying to tell me, that 7 years in demon and blood mage infested city made him change his mind about that? He should've become even more extremist in his views if anything!

 

As to the Keep: it annoys me, that there's plenty of quite unimportant choices (like Ostegar prisoner, or some DA2 side-quests, that I had to check on wiki, because names didn't ring a bell), while some of the important stuff, like what have you told about Urn of Sacred Ashes, have you killed the High Dragon, what have you done about Genitivi, what has happened to companions in Awakening... are not there.

 

Goddamn, I'm in a ranting mood for some reason.

[Patriciachr34]

I'm honestly starting to get fed up with all this Cullen bullshit.

The option of friendship in the Keep made me like "WAT?". There was no indication of friendship with Cullen in DA2. Hell, he was a tertiary character in DA2. He was a forgetable douchebag in DA:O. I didn't even realize that it's the same person, until I started to dig more deeply into both games. 

 

It's bad enough that he's suddenly one of the most influential people in Thedas. Stop trying to artificially boost his importance in previous titles via Keep, because honestly - this could be any no-name dude in his place, and no one would notice.

And I hate the fact that they suddenly made him lenient towards mages. HE WANTED TO EXTERMINATE ENTIRE CIRCLE, AND ARGUED WITH HIS COMMANDER ABOUT THAT! Are you trying to tell me, that 7 years in demon and blood mage infested city made him change his mind about that? He should've become even more extremist in his views if anything!

 

As to the Keep: it annoys me, that there's plenty of quite unimportant choices (like Ostegar prisoner, or some DA2 side-quests, that I had to check on wiki, because names didn't ring a bell), while some of the important stuff, like what have you told about Urn of Sacred Ashes, have you killed the High Dragon, what have you done about Genitivi, what has happened to companions in Awakening... are not there.

 

Goddamn, I'm in a ranting mood for some reason.

Sorry you don't like Cullen.  I find his story quite compelling.  He was obviously traumatized in DAO and his experiences in DA2 make him question the Templars.  It will be interesting to see how Cullen matures in DAI.  I want to see how his story arc completes.  Just for background I am not a Cullenite.  That being said I have a very interesting mage play through planned where I will romance him just to get an "inside" into his personality.

[metalfenix]

I always forget about cullen, every single time I play dragon age origins and DA II.

[goishen]

Personally, I can't wait to see how Leliana has matured.  But that's a subject for a different thread.