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[Kirikou]

A thought just came to me, please excuse me if this has already been discussed.

I think there can be two explanations for Templars turning to the obviously corrupting substance. The first one is they viewed the use of Red lyrium as a necessary evil to help them fight blood mages and abominations on a more even playing field since they routinely get slaughtered by them.

The second explanation I can think of is that due to them separating from the chantry they've lost their easy supply to normal lyrium and have turned to the possibly more abundant red lyrium in their desperation, knowing the corrupting influences they'll have but feeling they don't have a choice (I don't believe lyrium smuggling can fill the needs of all the Templars that separated from the chantry)

If either of these are true or a combination I hope to see a sympathetic red Templar npc that is struggling with his addiction and is shown to be horrified by what the red lyrium is doing to him but feeling unable to stop his slow descent into madness and corruption. Fun times

[Nattfare]

Maybe they thought it made Meredith look like a good Christmas tree and they decided that they wanted more trees?

[frankf43]

A thought just came to me, please excuse me if this has already been discussed.

I think there can be two explanations for Templars turning to the obviously corrupting substance. The first one is they viewed the use of Red lyrium as a necessary evil to help them fight blood mages and abominations on a more even playing field since they routinely get slaughtered by them.

The second explanation I can think of is that due to them separating from the chantry they've lost their easy supply to normal lyrium and have turned to the possibly more abundant red lyrium in their desperation, knowing the corrupting influences they'll have but feeling they don't have a choice (I don't believe lyrium smuggling can fill the needs of all the Templars that separated from the chantry)

If either of these are true or a combination I hope to see a sympathetic red Templar npc that is struggling with his addiction and is shown to be horrified by what the red lyrium is doing to him but feeling unable to stop his slow descent into madness and corruption. Fun times

 

This is the one that I believe. 

[Talok]

I think it's being used to showcase that even templars are fallible and susceptible to the corrupting influence of more power on the cheap. Much like blood vs lyrium.

 

It's the templar version of a blood mage. A plot mechanism for templars to lose credibility as a policing force for magic.

 

I like it.

 

Edit: Spelling error.

[Silver Souls]

They were bored maybe? 

[mandro]

It has influence even at minimal (extremly tiny) amounts right? In dragon age 2 Bartrand were a madman with a house like an asylum and Varric held the piece for a second and wound up affected. And i don't want to be that guy but we left a Meredith shaped statue in a courtyard filled with templars? Maybe it's precence calls to those who are close to lyrium (ergo dwarfs, templars and mages) but since no mage with any sanity would go close to the kirkwall templars it spreas like a cancer trough the ranks and then when they joined other groups to them?

[The Baconer]

Because they're not good at what they do.

[Mirrman70]

It has influence even at minimal (extremly tiny) amounts right? In dragon age 2 Bartrand were a madman with a house like an asylum and Varric held the piece for a second and wound up affected. And i don't want to be that guy but we left a Meredith shaped statue in a courtyard filled with templars? Maybe it's precence calls to those who are close to lyrium (ergo dwarfs, templars and mages) but since no mage with any sanity would go close to the kirkwall templars it spreas like a cancer trough the ranks and then when they joined other groups to them?

It took Bartrand years to go mad from his tiny little piece. I imagine being a dwarf offered some resistance but it seemed to at least mildly influence him from the get go. I imagine that red lyrium works like the One Ring from LotR. Mild at first but gradually makes you crazier and crazier.

[Xilizhra]

For the same reason DARE tells you that marijuana smokers will inevitably move on to crack at some point, except true.

[Lebanese Dude]

It's every little boys dream to become a superhero.

Meredith gained the power of flight and laser-magic.

It's pretty self explanatory tbh.

They are being led by meteorite baby and are forming a superhero league.

[ElementalFury106]

Super obvious why. Templars broke off from the Chantry, who controlled the lyrium trade/stock. They still needed a form of lyrium to sustain their unique abilities, in addition to red lyrium proven to be more potent and grant supernatural, unheard of powers (Meredith had super strength, was able to leap great distances, and reanimate inanimate objects).

[xSammy13x]

I'm just curious where it's all coming from. I mean, is it all coming from the same Thaig as DA2, and how do the Templars know where it was? I could see the Wardens knowing, but how did the Templars get that information? I doubt Bartrand told Meredith that information (since he wanted to sell it off, along with the idol), and she's dead.

[goishen]

Well, it's not like they were in any real danger.   The mages at the end of DA2 got their asses handed to them, even if Hawke decided to side with them. 

 

Personally, I think it's all about power.  The templars wanted power to put a stop to the mage rebellion once and for all, with as few casualties as possible.  Regardless of what Hawke chooses.  And red lyrium helps them do that by giving them power. 

[Paul E Dangerously]

I just have to say, I really, really dislike this constant "it wasn't my fault" thing Bioware really has going on. Just too damned much brainwashing/mental control/corruption going on. You've already got regular lyrium that turns you into a junkie, darkspawn corruption, blood magic, demon possession, and now Red Lyrium. And I may be missing a couple.

 

That's not even going into how much it was hammered into Mass Effect via Indoctrination. Can we get a new plot device, please?

[katerinafm]

They took it to study and it started to 'sing' to them, persuading them to use it.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Peer pressure or far too mutch Sith influince..

[Ser Jynx]

They took it to study and it started to 'sing' to them, persuading them to use it.

This sounds credible. Justice said similar things about regular lyrium with the 'singing'. 

[kroganjetpack]

The first guess makes more sense to me.  I think some templars might have broken off, using red lyrium to dedicate the hunting down of blood mages or even mages all together.  Maybe since the problem is on such a big scale in DAI, they think red lyrium is needed to take on as big as a situation that is going on.

[l7986]

Chantry probably saw the Templars getting to uppity and threatened to cut off the regular Lyrium supply, causing most to calm down and the rest searching for a new source that was under Chantry control.

[katerinafm]

This sounds credible. Justice said similar things about regular lyrium with the 'singing'. 

 

Another thing that adds to that theory is Varric's brother going crazy and talking about the singing, and Varric also being affected by even the proximity of the idol.

[Ser Jynx]

Another thing that adds to that theory is Varric's brother going crazy and talking about the singing, and Varric also being affected by even the proximity of the idol.

it's like lyrium is the material form of spirits. regular lyrium seems to have the same nature as regular spirits, bad things may come of it but it is not the intention. red lyrium seems to be the material form of demons corrupted, powerful, and influential

[LandiousDawn]

In one of the first videos they put out (E3 forever ago) they showed Templars shooting red laser thingies, pretty sure blue lyrium doesn't let you do that. So it seems to be kinda powerful too

[Laughing_Man]

Of course, there's also the possibility that someone high up there saw what Meredith was capable of when amped up on red lyrium, and decided that this stuff is too good to pass up since it will make an instant army of unstoppable superman-like templars.

 

All for good of course, not even a shred of greed and lust for power, since templars are obviously above petty emotions of the sort.

[LexXxich]

The question should be not "why they turned to red lyrium?", but "where did they get so much of it, considering that up until the end of DA2 it was nearly unknown substance that nobody mined in any capacity?"

[DarkKnightHolmes]

So Bioware has an excuse for Pro Templar PC to still fight Templars.