Totes legal. After they broke away from the Chantry. The mages are the ones breaking the law, man. Not that the Templars get a pass, mind you.
Justinia let them vote on independence, did she not? And even then, nobody attacked anyone until a dumb templar stabbed a mage who was surrendering peacefully. Then all hell broke loose.
True, I forgot we hadn't established a treaty yet. Oh well. I'll advocate for mercy, then: permanently strip every last member of the Order of weapons, armor, and lyrium beyond the bare minimum to avoid going crazy. Then comes the more difficult task of ensuring that they can all be monitored...
Umhm. Not going to get into how crazy this is with you.
I killed the slaver mage Danzig but allowed the nonmage slaver leader who'd captured Feynriel to leave (after scaring him with Varric), so...
If you actually had the option, and I doubt you brought Fenris to get it, it was because he threatened you and other mages. Just sounds like more of a personal vendetta honestly. No one else you're sparing is going back to honest life.
Justinia let them vote on independence, did she not?
She did. But considering Divine's have ordered Exalted Marches on their own cathedrals before and it was far from approved, I doubt they have absolute authority.
And even then, nobody attacked anyone until a dumb templar stabbed a mage who was surrendering peacefully. Then all hell broke loose.
Exactly why I said the Templars aren't blameless, friend. Both sides are being dumb.
Who knows.
Though, if he has the gall to show his face he'll be given a traitor's death.
She did. But considering Divine's have ordered Exalted Marches on their own cathedrals before and it was far from approved, I doubt they have absolute authority.
Exactly why I said the Templars aren't blameless, friend. Both sides are being dumb.
Oh, I'm not disagreeing that both sides are idiots. The mages were dumb trying to vote on independence, because they should have known Lambert would have been hellbent on trying to stop them.
Of course he is. Since when did Cole hide corpses?
Lambert is alive, thankfully. Thedas needs him.
If we lose Lambert, humanity might well follow.
Umhm. Not going to get into how crazy this is with you.
I do confess that killing them all would be more expedient, but that'd seriously reduce the incentive for them to surrender to us, and lying about giving them a chance to live would make us look worse to the rest of Thedas. If you have a better solution, I'm all ears.
If you actually had the option, and I doubt you brought Fenris to get it, it was because he threatened you and other mages. Just sounds like more of a personal vendetta honestly. No one else you're sparing is going back to honest life.
Hey, Helena Blake became a social worker.
Oh, I'm not disagreeing that both sides are idiots. The mages were dumb trying to vote on independence, because they should have known Lambert would have been hellbent on trying to stop them.
It might not have been strategically sound, but I refuse to condemn them because I see it as immoral to demand that people willingly suffer such oppression for any given length of time.
Of course he is. Since when did Cole hide corpses?
Lambert is alive, thankfully. Thedas needs him.
Mhmmmm, and where is he pray tell?
It might not have been strategically sound, but I refuse to condemn them because I see it as immoral to demand that people willingly suffer such oppression for any given length of time.
Ok, when the battle starts, yes, I don't blame them for letting loose. I would have done the same.
That said, if they had demonstrated a bit more patience, since they already had the Divine herself backing them up, the mages may have been able to negotiate how to best fix the Circles.
If we lose Lambert, humanity might well follow.
Lambert's track record is being an instrument in the ascension of the current Black Divine, a mishandling of the cure for Tranquility, a failure to uncover how a mage came to almost assassinate the Divine, and the Templar's blunders in the war (attributable).
I think his own organization has little use for him, let alone humanity.
Has all the makings of a truly formidable foe if he is alive. Cassandra would probably demand a duel! (Not sure how well thats going to end for her though...the way he wiped the floor with Rhys' party, and defeated Evangeline with such horrifying ease...)
Ok, when the battle starts, yes, I don't blame them for letting loose. I would have done the same.
That said, if they had demonstrated a bit more patience, since they already had the Divine herself backing them up, the mages may have been able to negotiate how to best fix the Circles.
Justinia wasn't dealing in good faith, in failing to rein in Lambert. Or at least, that's how it seemed to the mages.
It's incredibly ambiguous, there's just as much reason for both being true and that of course is deliberate.
Reasons for him being alive:
- He would be a good character to have in Inquisition for his fate to be left to the Inquisitor.
- No body, Cole usually leaves them.
- The spirit taking control of Cole, not the 'Cole' we were shown*, could have different intentions.
- The book also made it seem like Cole killed the Tranquil when he didn't, this plot device could be used again (see first point)
Reasons for being dead:
- He was a direct threat to Rhys. Cole, or at least the spirit helping him would have eliminated this threat if his intentions were consistent.
- No body. The spirit itself, not the manifestation of Cole's memories, was talking to Lambert, maybe this spirit would hide a body.
- He has been gone for a while with no explanation.
- The 'I want you to look into my eyes' is exactly what Cole said all the other times before he killed someone.
*We still don't know what or who Cole is, whether the spirit was in control the whole time using the dead boy's memories to create a persona or whether like Wynne, he's still Cole and is just hosting a benevolent spirit that can sometimes take control. I believe this could have a huge affect on Lambert's status.
Justinia wasn't dealing in good faith, in failing to rein in Lambert. Or at least, that's how it seemed to the mages.
Not dealing in good faith? She pioneered the cure for Tranquility, which is one of the biggest weapons that mages have been given in the history of the Circles.
Not dealing in good faith? She pioneered the cure for Tranquility, which is one of the biggest weapons that mages have been given in the history of the Circles.
She would have been able to get away with it, maybe, if she'd denied making Pharamond Tranquil again. This might even have prevented Adrian's actions.
If he is dead, Cole will be executed on the spot. If not, he has my fullest support.
IIRC, you can't kill companions.
Lambert's track record is being an instrument in the ascension of the current Black Divine, a mishandling of the cure for Tranquility, a failure to uncover how a mage came to almost assassinate the Divine, and the Templar's blunders in the war (attributable).
I think his own organization has little use for him, let alone humanity.
Errors made in his youth. He learned from them and was the only sane man in Asunder. Not only did he attempt to prevent the revalation of something that would produce nothing but more conflict between Templars and mages at a point where what was needed was to wait for the waters to calm, he predicted what the mages were planning and took steps to avoid it. Beyond that, he was even able to discover the serial killer in the White Spire.
Were not every other character in the book conspiring against him, he would have restored peace.
Mistakes he has made but he is still, by far, the best leader of the Templars this series has produced.
Mhmmmm, and where is he pray tell?
I don't know.
Stalling the Elder One?
Errors made in his youth. He learned from them and was the only sane man in Asunder. Not only did he attempt to prevent the revalation of something that would produce nothing but more conflict between Templars and mages at a point where what was needed was to wait for the waters to calm, he predicted what the mages were planning and took steps to avoid it. Beyond that, he was even able to discover the serial killer in the White Spire.
Were not every other character in the book conspiring against him, he would have restored peace.
Mistakes he has made but he is still, by far, the best leader of the Templars this series has produced.
I don't know.
Stalling the Elder One?
First of all, no. Lambert was not the "only sane" person in the book. What a crock of crap. Wynne, Justinia, Rhys, and Evangeline, and Lambert were all pretty damn smart.
And by attempting to prevent the revelation of the cure, he shot himself in the foot entirely. Primarily, it wasn't his place to do so, because it was the Divine's decision to attempt the cure and pioneer it. She was his boss, end of story. "Best leader" of Templars? What a joke.
And if he is alive, the only reason I can see were for Cole to have thrown him into the Fade or something.
We need him alive, if only to put him in a room with Adrian and let those two kill each other... let cooler heads prevail, maybe then we can save both sides from their stupidity.
Not only did he attempt to prevent the revalation of something that would produce nothing but more conflict between Templars and mages at a point where what was needed was to wait for the waters to calm,
Yes, in simultaneously the most ham-fisted and indecisive manner possible, and then it blew up in his face because he's an idiot. He didn't even think to have Pharamond under proper supervision, which lead to him being played.
Beyond that, he was even able to discover the serial killer in the White Spire.
Certainly not through Lambert's efforts.
Mistakes he has made but he is still, by far, the best leader of the Templars this series has produced.
The best leaders of the Templars, yes. But Templars are to be used in the manner of a blunt object (something Lambert encompasses remarkably). He's hardly qualified to be a Seeker, let alone Lord Seeker, and the results show why.
Yes, in simultaneously the most ham-fisted and indecisive manner possible, and then it blew up in his face because he's an idiot. He didn't even think to have Pharamond under proper supervision, which lead to him being played.
Certainly not through Lambert's efforts.
The best leaders of the Templars, yes. But Templars are to be used in the manner of a blunt object (something Lambert encompasses remarkably), but he's hardly qualified to be a Seeker, let alone Lord Seeker, and the results show why.
/drops mic.
IIRC, you can't kill companions.
Errors made in his youth. He learned from them and was the only sane man in Asunder. Not only did he attempt to prevent the revalation of something that would produce nothing but more conflict between Templars and mages at a point where what was needed was to wait for the waters to calm, he predicted what the mages were planning and took steps to avoid it. Beyond that, he was even able to discover the serial killer in the White Spire.
Were not every other character in the book conspiring against him, he would have restored peace.
Mistakes he has made but he is still, by far, the best leader of the Templars this series has produced.
I don't know.
Stalling the Elder One?
IIRC, you can't kill companions.
Hell, I'm not even sure you can kill Cole. He's not even technically alive.
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