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[MisterJB]

You can banish Cole.

For someone who spent a whole book despairing about fading away, that should be punishment enough.

[Hellion Rex]

You can banish Cole.

For someone who spent a whole book despairing about fading away, that should be punishment enough.

Banish, yes. But not kill.

[The Hierophant]

Cole has lice.

[RobRam10]

I do hope he's alive, the horrors I will inflict on him will be many.

[Diefenbaker]

Cole has lice.

 

To be fair most of Thedas probably do. Maybe Cole just has demon 'fade lice'...

[KC_Prototype]

Hopefully not, I am in full support of the mages but I like a formidable foe such as Lambert to be in the game. 

[MisterJB]

Yes, in simultaneously the most ham-fisted and indecisive manner possible, and then it blew up in his face because he's an idiot. He didn't even think to have Pharamond under proper supervision, which lead to him being played.

There is no more decisive way than having everyone, but the Divine, who knew of the research murdered and blamed on demons.

And altough violent, it is hardly ham-fisted.

 

Also, there were guards at Pharamond's door when Cole entered. What Adrid did, I don't know but Pharamond was under supervision.

 

 

Certainly not through Lambert's efforts.

He was the one who put the whole thing together through research and observing the facts.

The problem was Rhys protecting a spirit that was killing fellow mages.

 

The best leaders of the Templars, yes. But Templars are to be used in the manner of a blunt object (something Lambert encompasses remarkably). He's hardly qualified to be a Seeker, let alone Lord Seeker, and the results show why.

We have seen one operation of the Seekers which involved uncovering a conspiracy and then killing three dragons at the Grand Cathedral in front of faithful from every nation in Thedas except Tevinter. Hardly suble.

 

If Seekers are supposed to uncover the truth, Lambert's got two out of three. He discovered Cole, Fiona's plotting ad was duped by Adrian.

 

If Seekers are supposed to deal with threats to the Chantry without being a blunt instrument, he's still got two out of three good plans.

Plan one, kill the mages and blame it on demons. Cure destroyed, the Divine is none the wiser, problem solved.

Plan two, manipulate Rhys into accepting the whole blame for the rebellion due to a demon's influence so tempers can be calmed

His plan of storming the conclave was terrible, tough, I admit.

 

These results only came about due attacks from the outside and sabotage from within.

[ziyon conqueror]

What crimes? Honestly sounds like means to get out of your, "I don't kill people who don't try to kill me," rule. Everyone, except Templars and non-mages, deserve absolute forgiveness. 

I would judge him for abuse of power, overstepping his bounds

[RobRam10]

But...but...justice...

THERE IS NONE!

[DarkKnightHolmes]

If his dead, I'll give Cole a high five. If his alive, then me and Cole can kill him together.

 

As a character, I like Lambert. He was interesting and a badass. But he was way too extreme about his beliefs for me and was willing to lie about Rhys being a blood mage just to get support.

[ziyon conqueror]

Errors made in his youth. He learned from them and was the only sane man in Asunder. Not only did he attempt to prevent the revalation of something that would produce nothing but more conflict between Templars and mages at a point where what was needed was to wait for the waters to calm, he predicted what the mages were planning and took steps to avoid it. Beyond that, he was even able to discover the serial killer in the White Spire.

Were not every other character in the book conspiring against him, he would have restored peace.

 

Mistakes he has made but he is still, by far, the best leader of the Templars this series has produced.

 

 

I don't know.

Stalling the Elder One?

For the record, Lambert's an arrogant, pompous madman who lets 1 bad experience colour his whole world. He was friends with the Black Divine, who subtly undermined the Imperial Templars' influence in Tevinter, making him think that mages in power will always trod on the powerless. As typical with people who carry the bad parts of their past around define their present decision, affecting future outcomes, and thus he fails to see that he's no better than the magisters, having army ready to massacre mages on command, all while feeling piously justified about it, when he's not. He had a chance to forge a balance between templars and mages and he casts it aside to ensure 1 side rules with an iron fist.

[Andreas Amell]

For those who had read Dragon Age: Asunder, at the end of the book, Cole infiltrates Lord Seeker Lambert's room and holds a knife to his throat. And according to World of Thedas, Volume 1, he had disappeared shortly after annulling the Nevarran Accord (the agreement that created the Circle of Magi and put the Seekers and Templars under Chantry control, but the latter had severed ties, putting the lyrium trade that controls them in question). Who thinks that Lambert will show up in Dragon Age: Inquisition.

 

(Personally, I want him to turn up so I can beat him and force him to add that I won)

I hope he's alive. He'll be on my hit list, along with a few Tevinters.

[Barquiel]

There's no legitimate reason at this point to think he's still alive. I mean...if he's alive, why would he disappear? But who really knows? If he survived my inquisitor is going to hunt him down.

[MisterJB]

For the record, Lambert's an arrogant, pompous madman who lets 1 bad experience colour his whole world. He was friends with the Black Divine, who subtly undermined the Imperial Templars' influence in Tevinter, making him think that mages in power will always trod on the powerless. As typical with people who carry the bad parts of their past around define their present decision, affecting future outcomes, and thus he fails to see that he's no better than the magisters, having army ready to massacre mages on command, all while feeling piously justified about it, when he's not. He had a chance to forge a balance between templars and mages and he casts it aside to ensure 1 side rules with an iron fist.

First of all, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

The notion that we can't use our past experiences to guid us in future...well, it goes against even the msot basic rules of RPG where experience allows you to level up, never mind how it applies in real life.

 

Second, Mages in power trodding on the powerless. Considering that he was born in Tevinter, I can't possibly imagine where he got that idea from.

Lambert was absolutely right on everything he said. He didn't cast a damn thing aside; the mages voted to leave.

[Palidane]

I can't imagine how he could still be alive. Cole had a dagger to his throat and an axe to grind, I don't know what would have stayed his hand.

[The Baconer]

There is no more decisive way than having everyone, but the Divine, who knew of the research murdered and blamed on demons.

 

Indeed, but he did not persevere on this course of action (Evangeline and the others were allowed to walk out of the fortress). Thus, knowledge of the cure was sent to each Circle, and he ended up alienating one of the veteran Templars under his command.

 

If you're going to make a gamble like that, better stick to your guns.

 

 

Also, there were guards at Pharamond's door when Cole entered. What Adrid did, I don't know but Pharamond was under supervision.

 

Yes, foiled by the ever-subtle and stealthy Adrian...

 

 

He was the one who put the whole thing together through research and observing the facts.

The problem was Rhys protecting a spirit that was killing fellow mages.

 

He put together that Cole was a Spirit. Rhys and Adrian (and perhaps Evangeline, can't remember) already knew Cole was the murderer, and both Rhys and Evangeline told him of Cole's existence. Whether or not he actually linked the murders to Cole at the end, or if it was Cole causing Rhys to commit them through his influence was never stated by himself.

 

We have seen one operation of the Seekers which involved uncovering a conspiracy and then killing three dragons at the Grand Cathedral in front of faithful from every nation in Thedas except Tevinter. Hardly suble.

Cassandra's operation, you mean, since she had technically gone rogue. And I hardly see what any of that has to do with the standards of operation with which the Seekers should be expected to abide.

 

If Seekers are supposed to uncover the truth, Lambert's got two out of three. He discovered Cole, Fiona's plotting ad was duped by Adrian.

 

Two out of three what? Specific instances that you listed in your post? Remember that his reason for being posted at the White Spire in the first place was to investigate how Jeannot was allowed to walk in the Imperial Palace and make an attempt on the Divine's life. The investigation of this is... well, never heard from again not long after Lambert's introduction.

 

If Seekers are supposed to deal with threats to the Chantry without being a blunt instrument, he's still got two out of three good plans.

Plan one, kill the mages and blame it on demons. Cure destroyed, the Divine is none the wiser, problem solved.

 

That's his intent. The actual plan that he uses to accomplish this is shoddy and even more complex than it needs to be (Lambert tries to be too meta for his own good).

 

Plan two, manipulate Rhys into accepting the whole blame for the rebellion due to a demon's influence so tempers can be calmed

 

By the time there's an actual rebellion for Rhys to take the blame for it's already too late to do this... and it's a rebellion that Lambert himself triggered.

[Apostate.]

 

 

By the time there's an actual rebellion for Rhys to take the blame for it's already too late to do this... and it's a rebellion that Lambert himself triggered.

I can't agree more with this statement. Lambert's one-track mindedness leads to his entire plan blowing up in his face and needless slaughter.

He was going above the command of his own superior actively subverting her efforts.

[MisterJB]

His superior was a naive idiot. Sending word to all Circles before she even has the opportunity to review project data? Is she out of her ****** mind?

[Lumix19]

First of all, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
The notion that we can't use our past experiences to guid us in future...well, it goes against even the msot basic rules of RPG where experience allows you to level up, never mind how it applies in real life.

Second, Mages in power trodding on the powerless. Considering that he was born in Tevinter, I can't possibly imagine where he got that idea from.
Lambert was absolutely right on everything he said. He didn't cast a damn thing aside; the mages voted to leave.

Actually I don't believe the Conclave had reached a decision at that point about whether to separate and become independent. Lambert considered it treason regardless and overrode the Divine's decision to allow the Conclave even though he didn't have the right.

[The Baconer]

His superior was a naive idiot. Sending word to all Circles before she even has the opportunity to review project data? Is she out of her ****** mind?

 

The Divine didn't do that, Wynne did, an action that did not please the Divine by any stretch.

[MisterJB]

Indeed, but he did not persevere on this course of action (Evangeline and the others were allowed to walk out of the fortress). Thus, knowledge of the cure was sent to each Circle, and he ended up alienating one of the veteran Templars under his command.

 

If you're going to make a gamble like that, better stick to your guns.

He sent a squad of Templars to assist Evangeline showing how he covers all his bases. The problem was that his orders weren't followed.

 

 

Yes, foiled by the ever-subtle and stealthy Adrian...

Who might have used blood magic, for all we know. Her comrades were doing it.

Regardless, he took precautions.

 

 

 

He put together that Cole was a Spirit. Rhys and Adrian (and perhaps Evangeline, can't remember) already knew Cole was the murderer, and both Rhys and Evangeline told him of Cole's existence. Whether or not he actually linked the murders to Cole at the end, or if it was Cole causing Rhys to commit them through his influence was never stated by himself.

Not just a spirit but that he was using blood magic to control Rhys into commiting murders which was indirectly vindicated by the end of the book.

 

Cassandra's operation, you mean, since she had technically gone rogue. And I hardly see what any of that has to do with the standards of operation with which the Seekers should be expected to abide.

Since the First Seeker had no problem with it, he most likely felt it was up to the Seekers' standards.

And since this is the one operation we have acess to, we should judge their standards by it.

 

Two out of three what? Specific instances that you listed in your post? Remember that his reason for being posted at the White Spire in the first place was to investigate how Jeannot was allowed to walk in the Imperial Palace and make an attempt on the Divine's life. The investigation of this is... well, never heard from again not long after Lambert's introduction.

Yes.

Just because we haven't heard about it, doesn't mean nothing was done.

We certainly don't hear that he failed.

 

 

 

That's his intent. The actual plan that he uses to accomplish this is shoddy and even more complex than it needs to be (Lambert tries to be too meta for his own good).

First he's a blunt instrument, then his plans are too complex.

 

By the time there's an actual rebellion for Rhys to take the blame for it's already too late to do this... and it's a rebellion that Lambert himself triggered.

I won't support his decision to storm the conclave but it does show that he had a back up plan.

Maybe it would have worked, maybe it wouldn't have; it would have meant the Templars would be in a better position to deal with rebellion.

The Divine freeing mages so they could vote for independence is what triggered the war. If anything, Lambert seemed to be the only person interested in avoiding it.

 

[MisterJB]

The Divine didn't do that, Wynne did, an action that did not please the Divine by any stretch.

In page 323, Wynne tells Rhys that the Divine ordered her to contact the First Enchanters immediatelly had Pharamond's research borne fruit.
The Divine basically decided informing a political group involved in growing tensions whose leaders don't bear much love for her of the results of an entirely unprecedented experience before she herself had the opportunity to review them was a good idea.

She is clearly not well.

[Lumix19]

He sent a squad of Templars to assist Evangeline showing how he covers all his bases. The problem was that his orders weren't followed.

 

 

Who might have used blood magic, for all we know. Her comrades were doing it.

Regardless, he took precautions.

 

 

 

Not just a spirit but that he was using blood magic to control Rhys into commiting murders which was indirectly vindicated by the end of the book.

 

Since the First Seeker had no problem with it, he most likely felt it was up to the Seekers' standards.

And since this is the one operation we have acess to, we should judge their standards by it.

 

Yes.

Just because we haven't heard about it, doesn't mean nothing was done.

We certainly don't hear that he failed.

 

 

 

First he's a blunt instrument, then his plans are too complex.

 

I won't support his decision to storm the conclave but it does show that he had a back up plan.

Maybe it would have worked, maybe it wouldn't have; it would have meant the Templars would be in a better position to deal with rebellion.

The Divine freeing mages so they could vote for independence is what triggered the war. If anything, Lambert seemed to be the only person interested in avoiding it.

I disagree with this. Lambert seems to be more interested in keeping the mages in line than preventing war. If he really wanted to prevent a war he wouldn't have broken ties with the Chantry and declared a war on the mages.

 

In page 323, Wynne tells Rhys that the Divine ordered her to contact the First Enchanters immediatelly had Pharamond's research born fruit.
The Divine basically decided informing a political group involved in growing tensions whose leaders don't bear much love for her of the results of an entirely unprecedented experience before she herself had the opportunity to review them was a good idea.

She is clearly not well.

I would say she showed them the data 1.) to show them she is trying to help and isn't concealing the information from them and 2.) to allow them to decide what to do with the information rather than having it dictated to them by the Chantry or Templars - it's a display of good faith and an example of her willingness to reform the Circle and grant it more independence.

[MisterJB]

I disagree with this. Lambert seems to be more interested in keeping the mages in line than preventing war. If he really wanted to prevent a war he wouldn't have broken ties with the Chantry and declared a war on the mages.

Fair point but, after the mages left, there really wasn't any other choice.

 

 

I would say she showed them the data 1.) to show them she is trying to help and isn't concealing the information from them and 2.) to allow them to decide what to do with the information rather than having it dictated to them by the Chantry or Templars - it's a display of good faith and an example of her willingness to reform the Circle and grant it more independence.

And it's an insane and, frankly, stupid idea. Predictably, it just allowed everything to spirall out of control.

Anything involving Tranquility is going to be controversial and she didn't consider it important for her, the person supposed to mediate the needs of all, to be able to predict possible consequences so any problems could be mitigated? To decide how and to whom this information should be released, if at all?

Did it make the mages more open? No, it just gave people like Fiona more political ammunition.

 

 

 

[Lumix19]

Fair point but, after the mages left, there really wasn't any other choice.

 

 

And it's an insane and, frankly, stupid idea. Predictably, it just allowed everything to spirall out of control.

Anything involving Tranquility is going to be controversial and she didn't consider it important for her, the person supposed to mediate the needs of all, to be able to predict possible consequences so any problems could be mitigated? To decide how and to whom this information should be released, if at all?

Did it make the mages more open? No, it just gave people like Fiona more political ammunition.

1.) Well there was a choice, Lambert could have stuck with the Chantry and worked to find a peaceful solution with the mages. Open warfare was a bit unnecessary.

2.) I don't think it's a stupid idea, she's showing the mages she's on their side and willing to reform. It's known that the Aequitarians are the largest and most dominant of the factions and that their vote would decide. By showing the moderates that she was willing to give them what they want, reform and greater independence, she was ensuring the Circle would stick with the Chantry. Sure it was a bit of a gamble but I'm sure she assumed that any vote for independence would have failed as the Aequitarians would have sided with the Loyalists and she could reform the Circle and put Lambert in his place.