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[The Baconer]

He sent a squad of Templars to assist Evangeline showing how he covers all his bases. The problem was that his orders weren't followed.

 

Which orders? The ones he gives to Evangeline that even he should know are unrealistic (how does he expect her to take out all 3 powerful mages on her own? He didn't tell her he'd be sending assistance, and the other Templars didn't even arrive until they were already leaving the fortress), or the order he gave to Ser Arnaud to kill Evangeline if she disobeys? Oh wait, he never gave that last order, if only he was covering all his bases...

 

Not just a spirit but that he was using blood magic to control Rhys into commiting murders which was indirectly vindicated by the end of the book.

 

Near the end of the book, yes. By the end of the book he learned this was incorrect.

 

Since the First Seeker had no problem with it, he most likely felt it was up to the Seekers' standards.

And since this is the one operation we have acess to, we should judge their standards by it.

 

If that is what you wish, I'm afraid it would speak more ill of the Seekers in general.

 

 

Yes.

Just because we haven't heard about it, doesn't mean nothing was done.

We certainly don't hear that he failed.

 

One might suspect he was in on it.

 

 

First he's a blunt instrument, then his plans are too complex.

 

Right, and what's the problem with that? Complexity is not the same as effectiveness. Lambert was trying to be too smart for his own good (trying to go above his station as a blunt instrument), and he ends up shooting himself in the foot.

 

 

I won't support his decision to storm the conclave but it does show that he had a back up plan.

Maybe it would have worked, maybe it wouldn't have; it would have meant the Templars would be in a better position to deal with rebellion.

The Divine freeing mages so they could vote for independence is what triggered the war. If anything, Lambert seemed to be the only person interested in avoiding it.

 

That's not a back up plan. The vote for independence hadn't even passed before he stormed the enclave. If he really wanted to avoid a war, maybe he should have ensured there would be no one left from the conclave to vote for independence, but he left them alive and in jail cells.

 

As we know, jail cells and guards proved to very effective multiple times in the book.

 

 

In page 323, Wynne tells Rhys that the Divine ordered her to contact the First Enchanters immediatelly had Pharamond's research borne fruit.
The Divine basically decided informing a political group involved in growing tensions whose leaders don't bear much love for her of the results of an entirely unprecedented experience before she herself had the opportunity to review them was a good idea.

She is clearly not well.

 

Which arc is that from? The travel back to Val Royeaux? Page number in this instance doesn't help me because I have the book on Google Play and it plays by, uh, different rules.

[SgtSteel91]

I'm probably going to side with the Mages first (and most likely be confrontational with the Templars) so it's a toss up. Either I make him swear loyalty to me as an agent so the Templars under him now follow the Inquisition or I force the Templars under him to serve me by killing him and making him an example to not cross the Inquisition. Or I kill him because I don't trust him to follow my orders as an agent. Or I could just strip him of his rank and exile him (however that will work) with the warning that if he crosses the Inquisition again then there will be no mercy.

[Andreas Amell]

The destruction of Redcliffe doesn't bear me any good will to either the mages or the templars at this point. If either of them are guilty of atrocities I intend to punish them regardless of the support I could get from either side. They either follow me or fall before me. Even if my Hawke were to give her support to one side in the game I have to play as the Inquisitor. So if Lambert is alive, I'll rectify that.

[Solas]

I hate that guy so much

[WarriorOfLight999]

Lambert is a fool.

 

His actions only served to exacerbate this current Mage/Templar war. And if the Seekers were really doing their job, they would have investigated Kirkwall long before Anders blew up the Chantry. Frankly, the Templars simply have not been doing their job.

 

Who was responsible for slaying Gaxkang and Xebenkeck, two of the forbidden ones, ancient demons of centuries past? Not the Templars. No, it took a mercenary soldier of fortune from Lothering, and a fresh recruit from the Grey Wardens. No gold. No armies, save for a few followers. No massive political influence or buckets of lyrium. Nothing. Just a good sword arm and nerves of steel.

 

Who, also, managed to save the Circle Tower of Ferelden? Not the damned Templars.

 

Who discovered the Urn of Sacred Ashes? Hint: not the Templars.

 

I am not impressed with the work of the Seekers and Templar order, and I shall tell Cassandra those exact words when I meet her. If she rough handles my friend Varric again, she will regret it.

 

Edit: Ah. The topic got away from me, didn't it? Well, if Lambert is alive, I will kill him. I doubt he is, though. Cole probably decorated his remains on a tree or something.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lambert was only smart character in asunder he knew divine was an idiot and where her dumb attitude with mages would lead to disaster (and it did) pretty much woman didn't had any idea with what she was dealing with (same for leliana but you will feel that in redcliff leliana ) ,not to mention she pretty much started war when lambert prevented war.Lambert is guy that knows everything about mages and how to deal with them sadly when he almost succeed divine started war.

[themageguy]

I hope he is alive then we will combine our forces to crush mages for good without dumb divine in our way this time.

But....your inquisitor came into contact with a powerful spirit of the fade, and was granted power that can send people into the fade momentarily....isnt that kind of what Templars and the like worry about?

I liked Lambert. He made for an interesting character in the book.
I would've liked to have found out what it was, the dark power Cole sensed in him.
Perhaps it will mentioned by Cole in inquisition...

Funny thing. Wouldn't it be interesting that if you used your mark ability, that Cole was banished to the fade.
i find the idea of it amusing.

[WarriorOfLight999]

@Komandor: You would deliberately torture a former ally who offered to help you end the Blight? The fact that you seem proud of it is even creepier.

 

@Mageguy: I imagine Lamberts 'dark power' is probably an advanced, refined form of blue lyrium. Something that a powerful man like Lambert can have specially made for him. Better magic disruption, etc.

[themageguy]

@Komandor: You would deliberately torture a former ally who offered to help you end the Blight? The fact that you seem proud of it is even creepier.

@Mageguy: I imagine Lamberts 'dark power' is probably an advanced, refined form of blue lyrium. Something that a powerful man like Lambert can have specially made for him. Better magic disruption, etc.

Yeah that's what i imagine it to be.
i wonder if it means he is not addicted, like Cassandra, to lyrium because of this possibly being a seeker specific process of lyrium ingestion.

[TheKomandorShepard]

But....your inquisitor came into contact with a powerful spirit of the fade, and was granted power that can send people into the fade momentarily....isnt that kind of what Templars and the like worry about?

I liked Lambert. He made for an interesting character in the book.
I would've liked to have found out what it was, the dark power Cole sensed in him.
Perhaps it will mentioned by Cole in inquisition...

Funny thing. Wouldn't it be interesting that if you used your mark ability, that Cole was banished to the fade.
i find the idea of it amusing.

Templars are worried only about mages they don't hunt down for example reavers i don't see having problem with inq if he is helpful and supports templars same as they don't have problem with phylacteries despite it is blood magic.Cole is demon and i don't trust demons that play in seriall killers.

 

 

@Komandor: You would deliberately torture a former ally who offered to help you end the Blight? The fact that you seem proud of it is even creepier.

 

I won't torture her but i will see that as consequence and punishment for her stupidity in asunder she deserves it for causing yet another problem i have to fix.That woman seriously need to feel consequences of her actions on her skin and redcliff is great opportunity to show her what she did. 

[themageguy]

@TheKomandorShepard

What of the mages who want to use their powers for good? To protect and heal?

And Reavers are made through blood magic. In battle they feast on the life force of their enemies. That's dark magic.

From your posts i realise you're a fan of the more...direct, focuses of the templar order, but what is your opinion of Templars using red lyrium? Indeed, the magic substance seems to grant magical abilities and transformations that are similar to that of an abomination, and im curious on your views.

Im a fan of all magic in dragon age, whether its from the fade, alchemy or lyrium.
Inquisition is the only dragon age game that im keen to play as a templar.
My templar will not like the red Templars too much.

[Dark Helmet]

He better be alive. We can team up to kill Adrian and Tranquil Fiona.

[TheKomandorShepard]

@TheKomandorShepard

What of the mages who want to use their powers for good? To protect and heal?

And Reavers are made through blood magic. In battle they feast on the life force of their enemies. That's dark magic.

From your posts i realise you're a fan of the more...direct, focuses of the templar order, but what is your opinion of Templars using red lyrium? Indeed, the magic substance seems to grant magical abilities and transformations that are similar to that of an abomination, and im curious on your views.

Im a fan of all magic in dragon age, whether its from the fade, alchemy or lyrium.
Inquisition is the only dragon age game that im keen to play as a templar.
My templar will not like the red Templars too much.

Very few mages wants that and they still are way too dangerous so damage they can cause>>>positive things they can do.

Sure reavers are created by blood magic (they are made by blood magic) but they aren't dangerous like mages by that templars don't have problem with them. 

Red lyrium is dangerous like magic and it need to be destroyed so i put red templars in same category that i put mages dangerous lunatics that blow up stuff.

Im fan of magic in other settings but in da it need to be destroyed as it is curse not gift in any way.

[Panda]

I hope he is. I never hated him or anything, he is pretty good villain character etc. and I think it'd be intresting for Cole's character to let Lambert go. Idk, I think I want to see him again.

[CapivaRasgor]

I won't torture her but i will see that as consequence and punishment for her stupidity in asunder she deserves it for causing yet another problem i have to fix.That woman seriously need to feel consequences of her actions on her skin and redcliff is great opportunity to show her what she did.

TKS, you do realize that if you don't have problems to fix you don't have a plot to solve an by extension a game to play, don't you?

[SnakeCode]

I hope he's alive. By far the best  (and most interesting) character to be introduced in Asunder. He would have my inquisitors support to send the mages back to the circles, where they belong. Not Adrian though, I'm going to end that one.

[Lumix19]

Very few mages wants that and they still are way too dangerous so damage they can cause>>>positive things they can do.

Sure reavers are created by blood magic (they are made by blood magic) but they aren't dangerous like mages by that templars don't have problem with them. 

Red lyrium is dangerous like magic and it need to be destroyed so i put red templars in same category that i put mages dangerous lunatics that blow up stuff.

Im fan of magic in other settings but in da it need to be destroyed as it is curse not gift in any way.

I think you're wrong about this and there's zero evidence to support this claim.

[TheKomandorShepard]

TKS, you do realize that if you don't have problems to fix you don't have a plot to solve an by extension a game to play, don't you?

There will be always problems to fix like in real world it just won't be psycho mages that try(or caused something that tries) to blow up/brainwash/whatever world.

 

 

I think you're wrong about this and there's zero evidence to support this claim.

If you mean entire lore is zero evidence well then yes hell even viv in gameplay video pointed that.Pretty much since dao through almost every da product ending on dai proves that.

[Lumix19]

There will be always problems to fix like in real world it just won't be psycho mages that try(or caused something that tries) to blow up/brainwash/whatever world.

 

 

If you mean entire lore is zero evidence well then yes hell even viv in gameplay video pointed that.Pretty much since dao through almost every da product ending on dai proves that.

Hardly. The lore tells about the dangers and benefits that magic and mages present. Your statement that they are too dangerous is pure conjecture.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Hardly. The lore tells about the dangers and benefits that magic and mages present. Your statement that they are too dangerous is pure conjecture.

Well lets say if you started telling good things that mages did and i started to telling bad things mages did you would lose before i would finish my list.

[Lumix19]

Well lets say if you started telling good things that mages did and i started to telling bad things mages did you would lose before i would finish my list.

I doubt. I suppose we could play this game...

 

Mages provide magical healing to the people of Thedas

[TheKomandorShepard]

I doubt. I suppose we could play this game...

 

Mages provide magical healing to the people of Thedas

Well i will finish that quickly.

1.Mages unleashed darkspawn on humanity (7 blights and a lot of death and destruction between)

2.Mages created most vicious society in the setting.

3.Qunari mage tried to summon army of demons to destroy world.

4.Tevinter mage tried brainwash entire humanity.

5.Connor killed entire castle and possibly village trying to create army of undead.

6.Uldred started to create army of abomnations.

7.Baroness after sacrificing a lot of peoples destroyed entire town destroying also veil.

8.Zathrian created werewolf curse that lasted for centuries.

9.Psycho mages tried to kill divine and a lot other peoples plus 1 turned into pride abomnation.

10.Blood mages in denerim.

11.Caladrius (im not sure if don't just put him into tev society)

12.Anders blew up chantry.

13.Tarohne and her group of mages started turn peoples into abomnations.

14.Grace and her group started resurrect undead and later she turned into abomnation

15.Huon psycho blood mage

16.Evelina abomnation

17.Olivia abomnation

18.Blood mages rampages in kirkwall including orsino who was helping serial killer.

19.Quentin add gascard here as well.

20.Avernus destroyed veil.

21.Mage creates army of harvesters

22.Mages rampages in hinterlands in dai.

23.Mages destroy veil in redcliff.

24.Add to here many others cases of mages turning into abomnation or causing disaster.

 

Here we go i could came up with more but too lazy for it.

[blahblahblah]

IMO, Lambert is a fool. Separating the Templars and Seekers to the Chantry destroys the support they get from the common folk and the nobility and make them feared along with the mages.

[Aurok]

Lambert is a little bit magey himself, which is why he could sense Cole in Eva's bedroom, and why Cole was able to possess him and run off in his body at the end of Asunder.

[themugen]

I find it funny that there are those who hate mages (because of their magic) when in DA lore all living beings have magic in them.  It is chance that one person may be able to put their magic to use whereas another cannot and likewise the extent (power) that magic manifests in a person.

 

I tend to side with mages, though I may have to do a different playthrough to see the other side.