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[AlanC9]

The main thing it seems to be doing is misleading people about what the Keep does do and what it doesn't do. From what I've seen on this board, anyway.

[DAJB]

Agreed. The trouble, as I see it, is that there's a fundamental mismatch between what Bioware want the Keep to be when it's fully functional (i.e. an all-singing, all-dancing social hub through which they can also add to, amend or otherwise tinker with this and future games) and what (I assume is) the vast majority of DA players actually want and are expecting right now (i.e. a simple way to carry over the results of their DA:O and DA2 playthroughs).

 

With the benefit of hindsight, therefore, they would (in my extremely humble opinion!) have been better advised to build the Tapestry as a standalone World State creator and focused on that to the exclusion of all else prior to the launch of the game. Syncing could have been offered later as an optional service for those who really want their achievements listed online as opposed to on their PC, XBox or PS.

 

But, hey, it's easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight.

 

And who knows? If they ever do get the whole thing working as they want it to, maybe we'll all be looking back on this as the start of something amazing!

[Birdy]

Syncing is useless.  The only real benefit is a picture of you heroes but you really don't need it at all.  Wish they put it in the keep that it's just an image of you heroes and not the model.

[Tenz83]

So you guys don't want your achievements and DLC tracked in this new dragon age hub? That is what the Keep is supposed to be remember? A Hub of all things dragon age so it makes sense to sync some information. I say it's the users inability to understand that your decisions don't carry into the Keep despite the notices on the tapestry and many times this has been asked on the forums. The thing that they should put although is the ability to name default Wardens and Hawkes, also the poll plot choices. The addition of syncing isn't the problem, it's people not getting what gets synced and then expecting too much

[devSin]

Yes, I think it's wasted effort that's providing no tangible benefit to the Keep experience.

Maybe in some theoretical future there will be some point to parsing all my achievements, unlockables, and DLC (all except the signature edition rewards, it appears), but with the current setup, the character import seems rather useless to me (it imported all my custom heroes and then promptly showed me a list of default heroes that I had to scroll through just to find my custom heroes—and because Origins created new heroes for each campaign, I got four heroes to choose from with no way to distinguish between them—not that there's any meaningful distinction as far as the Keep is concerned, making the additional entries redundant duplicates).

The portraits don't even help, since they're never visible outside the screen used to select them.

I can appreciate the idea, but in practice, it would have worked far better to just prompt for a race/class/gender selection for the Warden and Hawke for each world state and use a stylized image for the portrait.

[Dubya75]

I absolutely agree. Syncing is a pointless, confusing, and misleading feature.

It serves no real purpose whatsoever and they should really just do away with it.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Of course not. It's not the fault of syncing that people don't understand the mechanics of the Keep. Bioware hasn't kept it a secret or been vague about your decisions not being imported.

[Birdy]

Of course not. It's not the fault of syncing that people don't understand the mechanics of the Keep. Bioware hasn't kept it a secret or been vague about your decisions not being imported.

It's not decisions not being imported that's the problem. It's the uselessness of the feature.  For some of use we still haven't gotten syncing to work. Which do syncing or not. It has absolutely no impact on DAI or the Keep.  It's just a bunch of pretty pictures that you don't see again unless you switch heroes or resync.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's not decisions not being imported that's the problem. It's the uselessness of the feature.  For some of use we still haven't gotten syncing to work. Which do syncing or not. It has absolutely no impact on DAI or the Keep.  It's just a bunch of pretty pictures that you don't see again unless you switch heroes or resync.

 

That's not useless. It's good to have a picture of your Warden. If you are going by only things that are strictly necessary for DAI, then you might as well complain that they put any effort into the artwork at all.

[Hexenkind23]

It's just a matter of taste whether you think it's useless or useful. Some people like the idea to reminscence about what they achieved in the past and think it is a neat feature and other people think it is obsolete because it doesn't affects future games in any way.

But I agree that this feature caused much confusion already because it was not clear from the start what synching actually does and what not. I think there should be an info popping up every time when you synch your character so nobody misunderstands what the feature does and what not.

[Birdy]

That's not useless. It's good to have a picture of your Warden. If you are going by only things that are strictly necessary for DAI, then you might as well complain that they put any effort into the artwork at all.

It's nice to have a picture of you Warden/Hawke, that doesn't make it particularly useful.  They already have pictures to represent the Warden and Hawke.  I'm not complaining, I came to terms of not syncing my heroes a while ago.  We're debating the usefulness of syncing.  Complaining looks a lot different.

[Kantr]

So you guys don't want your achievements and DLC tracked in this new dragon age hub? That is what the Keep is supposed to be remember? A Hub of all things dragon age so it makes sense to sync some information. I say it's the users inability to understand that your decisions don't carry into the Keep despite the notices on the tapestry and many times this has been asked on the forums. The thing that they should put although is the ability to name default Wardens and Hawkes, also the poll plot choices. The addition of syncing isn't the problem, it's people not getting what gets synced and then expecting too much

I would possibly prefer it be added after the game launch, but then all the devs go on holiday. Which would create a large backlog

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's nice to have a picture of you Warden/Hawke, that doesn't make it particularly useful.  They already have pictures to represent the Warden and Hawke.  I'm not complaining, I came to terms of not syncing my heroes a while ago.  We're debating the usefulness of syncing.  Complaining looks a lot different.

 

Much of the Keep's features are just aesthetic anyway. It doesn't have to be "useful" to be worthwhile. The ISS and the color art aren't "useful" either.

[Birdy]

Much of the Keep's features are just aesthetic anyway. It doesn't have to be "useful" to be worthwhile. The ISS and the color art aren't "useful" either.

What's ISS?

[Shadow_krono]

Synching IS useless, but it´s one of the features that made it interesting for old DA gamers, it´s not about what you can bring to the new games, but the recognition of the hours and dedication spent on the old ones, of bragging about what you did wrong or right with this or that character, to be able to show other people what your character looked like, why he looked like that (in case of a scar or something), it´s for not forgetting those old characters with whom you spent hours upon hours giving them a personality and motives for their actions.

 

So Is synching useless? Yes

Was it a mistake? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

 

 

What's ISS?

Interactive Story Summary... the story narrated by Varric (you can hear it again with the play button on the top right of the tapestry).

[Birdy]

Thank you.

[AlanC9]

.... but with the current setup, the character import seems rather useless to me (it imported all my custom heroes and then promptly showed me a list of default heroes that I had to scroll through just to find my custom heroes

Well, you can just uncheck the box that displays the default heroes. I don't know why that's automatically checked for us.

[AlanC9]

So you guys don't want your achievements and DLC tracked in this new dragon age hub?

It's not that I don't want that, it's more that I can't imagine any possible use for the site doing that. Is anyone really interested in other players' achievements?

[devSin]

Well, you can just uncheck the box that displays the default heroes. I don't know why that's automatically checked for us.

That interface is thrown up without introduction or explanation during the initial sync process.

So the first thing that happens when it says your characters were imported and you can now choose one is that you see a list of all the default characters in existence (and one of them is selected instead of any of your custom heroes).

You can toggle the selection (assuming that's available in that initial screen), but then you end up with the list of your heroes that may not be much better (as I noted, mine are just duplicates from Awakening and all the DLC campaigns, with no way to distinguish between them).

I can appreciate wanting to give our heroes custom portraits and names, but I don't think this synchronization is an effective way to achieve that (as you noted, it's created some confusion, and it's admitted to not work very well regardless).
 

Well, in my case, it's more that I can't imagine any possible use for the site doing that. Is anyone really interested in other players' achievements?

There are competitive aspects to achievement systems, yes.

But this sort of tracking should be done in the Origin client (and will be for DAI, if ME3 and BF4 are any indication).

I'll admit that I can't see much cause for anybody needing to be aware of which DLC I've purchased or what promotional unlocks I have, but I guess it doesn't really bother me.

[Tenz83]

Well, in my case, it's more that I can't imagine any possible use for the site doing that. Is anyone really interested in other players' achievements?

That's like saying what's the point of having BSN player profile for your games. It's there to keep track of what you have done in your dragon age playthroughs and to replace the profiles in BSN eventually.

[Setiweb]

Those of us who have played with console commands enabled have nothing to sync.

[AlanC9]

That's like saying what's the point of having BSN player profile for your games.

Yep. I don't see the point of that either. But the BSN profile isn't actively confusing people.

[Lee80]

I think the syncing feature is pretty awesome myself.  While the Warden and Hawke import doesn't sever a greater function, the other aspects are very pleasant: trophies (achievements), unlocked content, and generally having a place to store future progress in the games.  Just because it initially has some issue, doesn't mean it won't be worthwhile in the long run! 

[Etragorn]

I have to agree. They should have released synching either way before or after DA:I was rolling in order to unlink the two in people's minds so they don't expect the synching process to have such a significant influence on DA:I when it clearly doesn't.

 

I'm betting the devs that said something about uploading saves involving the keep, etc... earlier on before that was decided against kick themselves in the head every time they remember saying that because that seems to be the point where people linked saves, The Keep, and DA:I together in their minds.

[Sardart]

Well, if they can't fix the issue by the game release, it'd surely be better if we just could manually check DLCs that we got.
Besides DLC and rewards, syncing has worked fine so far.