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#51
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I think you need to draw a distinction between what Hawke knows in game and what we know from a meta game perspective.     Hawke doesn't know about the darkspawn coming out of it; I think Merrill only says that Tamlen was hurt by it.    So we know it has caused harm and it is/was tainted in same way.    Merrill seems only to know that it is an important artefact but has no real knowledge of what it really is and what it can do.     Marathari says it is dangerous and this seems borne out by her sending it and Merrill away from the clan (clearly as a typical Dalish she doesn't care what becomes of the humans in Kirkwall).    Unless you play Legacy early on, Hawke is likely to have been brought up by Malcolm to be wary of blood magic, whether as a mage or non-mage.    Even pro-mage Anders won't let the blood magic thing go where Merrill is concerned.   The only person in Hawke's friends or acquaintance who thinks the mirror is a good thing is Merrill herself.   If you take her into the Fade with you, she betrays you,even though she claims to recognise the dangers of demons.   This doesn't inspire much faith in her assertions that she knows what she is doing.      Even after Legacy, it was clear Malcolm was blackmailed into using blood magic, was very aware of the dangers and was not proud of what he had done, which was in contrast with Merrill's utter conviction that she was  in the right and knew what she was doing.    This is why I found it very hard to role play a Hawke who approved of what she was doing both in terms of the mirror and her use of blood magic.

 

Even if you assume Merrill did fill Hawke in on the events of DAO, that would make me even less likely to support her actions.    However, having got to the point we had in Act 3, it seemed daft to destroy the mirror at that  point.   Rather than destroy it or leave it in Kirkwall, I would have taken it up the Sundermount and put it in the cave where the demon was, warding it against entry.    Then if at some future point further information came to light about how what it did and how to activate it, we could possibly pursue the matter.     This is why I could opt for the Keep choice of preserving the eluvian but not if it meant the game assumed that my Hawke had fully supported Merrill in all her decisions regarding it.

I would find it impossible to rival Merrill in any case because, as I mentioned prior, I do everything that she agrees with regardless.



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I found it so much easier to rival her than friend her, even though I was pleasant to her the majority of the time.    I deliberately played a Hawke, who romanced her, to ensure friendship rather than rivalry but it was hard going and a felt a fraud at the end because I really didn't agree with her.       She was the only companion that I found much easier to rival than friend.     I even managed to friend Fenris with a Hawke who was a mage and almost entirely pro-mage in Act 1, but tempered their opinions in the light of experience later in the game.   It took me practically the whole game to get to full friendship (and complete our romance) but I got there in the end.   It was my first play through and I played it totally in character (no meta gaming).     Anders was the opposite to Merrill in that I had to very deliberately go out of my way to rival him.   I found the only way I could achieve it was to play a very aggressive Hawke, which wasn't really me either.

 

With a rivalled Merrill I felt that by the end she had grown as a character and become a lot wiser.    I was less worried about her doing something stupid in the future.

 

With a friended Merrill I could never be confident that something awful might not happen to her because of her attitude, which I had done nothing to temper.



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I found it so much easier to rival her than friend her, even though I was pleasant to her the majority of the time.    I deliberately played a Hawke, who romanced her, to ensure friendship rather than rivalry but it was hard going and a felt a fraud at the end because I really didn't agree with her.       She was the only companion that I found much easier to rival than friend.     I even managed to friend Fenris with a Hawke who was a mage and almost entirely pro-mage in Act 1, but tempered their opinions in the light of experience later in the game.   It took me practically the whole game to get to full friendship (and complete our romance) but I got there in the end.   It was my first play through and I played it totally in character (no meta gaming).     Anders was the opposite to Merrill in that I had to very deliberately go out of my way to rival him.   I found the only way I could achieve it was to play a very aggressive Hawke, which wasn't really me either.

 

With a rivalled Merrill I felt that by the end she had grown as a character and become a lot wiser.    I was less worried about her doing something stupid in the future.

 

With a friended Merrill I could never be confident that something awful might not happen to her because of her attitude, which I had done nothing to temper.

Firm disagreement. Merrill isn't drawn to awful things in general, and rivalry requires my Hawke to do numerous things that are highly unethical, like betraying Merrill for the arulin'holm, and being generally anti-mage.



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I never had a problem with Merrill's use of Blood Magic. She wasn't sacrificing or controlling people like what every other Blood Mage was doing and when she talked with Demons Hawke was there with her to react if something went wrong. But if she does go too far, then he will stop her, even kill her if need be. In my game, Hawke meant it when he said to her clan that he won't let her Blood Magic hurt anyone.



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That mirror is nothing but trouble. Just because a demon was nice enough to help cleanse it doesn't make it less dangerous.

And trusting Merrill? Really? She gets upset each time you turn down blood magic.



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The only way I even remotely like Merrill is by rivaling her, I cannot abide blood magic in the least bit and she just is too naive to be of any use to my Hawke. At least at the end of rivaling her, she grows up, smashes the mirror and becomes a more well rounded person. At the beginning I kinda think of her as a slightly less annoying Liara, meaning I don't quite want to throw her under a bus, mainly because I love elves.



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I don't like Rival!Merrill. I think she becomes boring if you rival her. I liked that she had a liberal view of Blood Magic and wanted to use it for good.



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Thats the thing though, I do not see a good way to use Blood Magic, it will lead to a weakend defense to daemons and a more base personailty.  I actually agree with the Templars in regards to Blood Magic though I sympathise with the mages, I feel any use of Blood Magic should be cause for immediate execution.  It may lead to possession and eventual abominations, I believe that mages should be freed but any hint of Blood Magic should be eradicated.



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On to a little bit of a tangent, has Merrill been confirmed to show up in DAI?

 

I mean, I know we have this picture:

 

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But I don't really know if this is actually her.



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On to a little bit of a tangent, has Merrill been confirmed to show up in DAI?

 

I mean, I know we have this picture:

 

Spoiler

 

But I don't really know if this is actually her.

I hope she keeps her romance outfit if she was in a romance.



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On to a little bit of a tangent, has Merrill been confirmed to show up in DAI?

 

I mean, I know we have this picture:

 

Spoiler

 

But I don't really know if this is actually her.

It probably is HAPPY DAYS!!!!

 

Where is that from?



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It probably is HAPPY DAYS!!!!

 

Where is that from?

 

It's from the achievement list , can't remember if it's from  Xbox or playstation site.

Anyway they put a lot of spoilery screenshots with each achievements.



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I would find it impossible to rival Merrill in any case because, as I mentioned prior, I do everything that she agrees with regardless.

 

She's too ****ing cute to disagree with for me.  :wub:


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So whats the verdict then? Break it? Fake it?

"Nah Merrill honey, its okay do whatever you want, especially if it has to do with blood magic.



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So whats the verdict then? Break it? Fake it?

"Nah Merrill honey, its okay do whatever you want, especially if it has to do with blood magic.

Don't break. Though I think that Blood Magic is acceptable so.... yeah.


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I imagine my Dalish warden coming back to his clan, seeing what Merrill did and the kicking her ass for resorting to Blood Magic, especially after what he saw Uldred do in the Circle. I have long since built up a resistance to stupid ideas from 'cute' people.



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My Warden and Hawke both have killed their weight in demons and spirits before, I'm used to it. If Merrill ever does get possessed, the demon's gonna have hell to pay.