Out of these two endings, making the Ultimate Sacrifice seems more of the "good" ending. Making Loghain do the US is more interesting however. I personally would go with the US myself because I don't like Loghain and I don't think he deserves a chance of redemption FROM the Warden. If it was some random guy he had done no harm to then maybe. Sten for example had done no harm to my Warden or his party. I also feel like Loghain making the US is not really redemption seeing as he is supposed to die for his crimes anyways and is getting glory that he doesn't deserve, like Reorte said.
Redeemer or Ultimate Sacrifice... what is the "best" good guy ending to DA:O?
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#27
Posté 13 novembre 2014 - 01:37
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Ultimate sacrifice of the main warden is the Heroic endings, DR is just for coward who want to sacrifice a child in the name of a lizard.
if i spare loghain is for compassion who am i to judge him? to judge the hero of river dane, only childs cannot understand the meaning of forgivness.
i always made the ultimate sacrifice even with Loghain.
DR is a rather selfish choice but as I have mentioned in other threads, that should only be made if you actually want a child with Morrigan and go with her in the portal. For a good ending anyways. You aren't sacrificing a child, instead giving him some old god powers maybe... As for Loghain, he has changed from the hero he was. His past should not have to do anything with the crimes he has committed now, or at any time. If there was an option I would have put him in isolation or something instead of executing him but the game didn't give us that choice.
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Posté 13 novembre 2014 - 02:01
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"Hey, we can execute Loghain now or we can use him to get rid of the Archdemon without any of us coming to harm". It doesn't have to look like redemption, just using his life. He's dead anyway, this way no-one else is and no creepy kids.
yea to gain glory you have always awakening and the mother.
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Posté 13 novembre 2014 - 08:17
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Seriously? You can't understand why Alistair gets upset at letting Loghain live?
1. Abandoned the Ferelden army, allowing thousands to be massacred by darkspawn
2. Of those thousands was Duncan, a man Alistair thought of like a father
3. Loghain putting a bounty on any Grey Warden's head, causing you and Alistair to be hunted for over a year.
4. Alistair sees being a Warden one of the greatest honors. To allow Loghain to go through the Joining to possibly have that seemed wrong to him.
My personal preference is to just do the DR. Everyone lives. HUZZAH!
Anyway. To me Loghain didn't deserve redemption. BUT, had my Warden actually known why Riordan said we needed more Wardens, I would have spared him to keep my Warden and Alistair alive. But seeing as Riordan didn't deign to tell us before hand and there wasn't an option to go "Okay, hold up a sec Alistair. Let's put Loghain down in the dungeon and see what Riordan has to say. If we don't like what we hear, we kill Loghain. Sound fair?"
If you want to go for the best good-guy ending. It would be for you to make the sacrifice imo
Bravo! I don't think I could have given a better answer myself. ^^
EDIT: Although, I probably would not have spared him even had I known why we needed more. Logic probably being, "Eh, we've managed this long without him, and he's been bungling through his whole regency. He couldn't even catch two Grey Wardens wandering around in broad daylight, how's he gonna help against the Archdemon?" Not to mention his track record of desertion and betrayal. I'm not sure my Warden WOULD trust him to stick around, have our backs (literally), or take a blow when we need him.
Or maybe that's me rationalizing since I hate him as much as Alistair. (Sell my people into slavery to fill your chauffeurs to fund your civil war to maintain your regency because you were too good to listen to advice or step down you son-of-a...!!)
Either way, I don't think his track record has been good enough to spare him or give him a shot at redemption, but that's how I see it.
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Posté 13 novembre 2014 - 12:21
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Only once, I accepted Loghain to live (just for unlocking an achievement with Loghain died killing the archdemon)... At any other time, I killed him (or let Alistair does it).
#31
Posté 17 novembre 2014 - 02:09
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I consider my warden a good guy he unites Ferelden puts his friend Alistair on the throne with Anora as his queen and he also slays the Arch demon and lives . So he performs the DR that does'nt make him a coward he still goe's to face the dragon , he could be slain before he lands the killing blow . He's given a chance to survive by the woman he love's OGB is another topic . As for Loghain I just can't give him redemption he allows his King and best friends son to die along with the Ferelden army & the greywardens leaving the country at the mercy of the darkspawn horde . Then to cap it all he blames the greywardens for the deed , declares himself regent , plunges Ferelden into a civil war ,
will not allow other wardens in even though they are the only ones who can stop the blight and lets not forget the matter of selling elven slaves to Tevinter . So he was the hero of riverdain that just makes his treachery the worse . Sorry but he never makes it out of the landsmeet in my best ending .
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Posté 25 novembre 2014 - 07:32
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Although I personally don't agree with the idea of "good guy/bad guy" morality in Dragon Age (Everything seems more "us/them" to me.), how does turning your back on your faithful companion in arms to take a chance on the disgraced noble who just spent the last year trying to hinder your actions in stopping the Blight make you a "Good Guy"? And that isn't even touching on whether you and the rest of your band are going to have to start sleeping with one eye open.
As for the Dark Ritual ... although my canon Warden took it as an practical way out (Although they had their differences, she grew to trust Morgana and rationalized most of her "coldness" as being Flemeth's doing, possibly as a defense against possession.), if we are taking about "good/bad" morality then I agree with the poster who mentioned it as only being an option if you are in love with Morgana.
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Posté 26 novembre 2014 - 05:54
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Although I personally don't agree with the idea of "good guy/bad guy" morality in Dragon Age (Everything seems more "us/them" to me.), how does turning your back on your faithful companion in arms to take a chance on the disgraced noble who just spent the last year trying to hinder your actions in stopping the Blight make you a "Good Guy"?
Alistair can survive you turning on him. Loghain can't survive you deciding not to do so. I'm not saying that there's not other reasons to do what Alistair wants over what Loghain wants (the "have to sleep with one eye open" thing is a good one) but there's a moral argument to be made in favor of Loghain here. (Unless you decide to execute Alistair instead. If you have to execute someone it really ought to be Loghain.)
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Posté 26 novembre 2014 - 09:04
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True, but I guess part of the issue that I have with the theory is that "Good" is being equated as "no-one dying" at the expense of all else. In my mind at least being "the ultimate good guy" doesn't translate into "Mercy above all else".
But then again, to be fair even if I could have my cake and eat it too by recruiting Loghain and appeasing Alistair my Canon Warden (human mage -female) would refuse to do so, my secondary Warden (city elf -female) probably wouldn't spare him either ... my trinary Warden most likely would however (dwarf noble -male).
#35
Posté 26 novembre 2014 - 10:41
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The 'goodness' of an ending also depends on your character's motives.
For instance, it's possible to order Loghain to sacrifice himself because better him than you.
It's possible to sacrifice yourself not out of a sense of nobility, but to escape being a Grey Warden.
Ask yourself not whether the ending is good, but whether your character believes they are doing it for a good/noble reason.
It could even be that the Old God Child turns out being beneficial for Thedas, in which case, hey, NOT doing the Dark Ritual was bad because now the Messiah will never be born.
For instance, it's possible to order Loghain to sacrifice himself because better him than you.
It's possible to sacrifice yourself not out of a sense of nobility, but to escape being a Grey Warden.
Ask yourself not whether the ending is good, but whether your character believes they are doing it for a good/noble reason.
It could even be that the Old God Child turns out being beneficial for Thedas, in which case, hey, NOT doing the Dark Ritual was bad because now the Messiah will never be born.
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#36
Posté 08 décembre 2014 - 01:19
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The 'goodness' of an ending also depends on your character's motives.
For instance, it's possible to order Loghain to sacrifice himself because better him than you.
It's possible to sacrifice yourself not out of a sense of nobility, but to escape being a Grey Warden.
Ask yourself not whether the ending is good, but whether your character believes they are doing it for a good/noble reason.
It could even be that the Old God Child turns out being beneficial for Thedas, in which case, hey, NOT doing the Dark Ritual was bad because now the Messiah will never be born.
what messiah the one who destroyed ferelden?
Loghain redemption is the best good guy ending,who cares about Alistair foolish revange,mercy came first always.
