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[Fardreamer]

SPOILERS for DA2:

 

In my opinion, the only good reason to side with the Templars is that it allowed you to become the Viscount of Kirkwall.  Furthermore, if you were a female Hawk and romanced a rivaled Sebastian, you got a special bit of dialogue from him stating that a marriage between the leaders of Starkhaven and Kirkwall would be the most powerful alliance the Free Marches had ever seen.  This is an awesome ending, especially if the Warden also became King/Queen of Fereldon.

 

I think a tile which mentions this should be put into the Keep.  IT's kind of a huge deal.

 

This also shows why Friendship/Rivalry was such a big deal.  If Sebastian was a friend he never become the Ruler of Starkhaven.  If he was a rival he becomes the leader.

[Chmurek]

SPOILERS for DA2:

 

In my opinion, the only good reason to side with the Templars is that it allowed you to become the Viscount of Kirkwall.  Furthermore, if you were a female Hawk and romanced a rivaled Sebastian, you got a special bit of dialogue from him stating that a marriage between the leaders of Starkhaven and Kirkwall would be the most powerful alliance the Free Marches had ever seen.  This is an awesome ending, especially if the Warden also became King/Queen of Fereldon.

 

I think a tile which mentions this should be put into the Keep.  IT's kind of a huge deal.

We don't need separate tile for this. If you supported templars Hawke was a Viscount, if not, he was not. End of story. There are not multiple ending as it was with who is a ruler of Ferelden.

[Evamitchelle]

SPOILERS for DA2:

 

In my opinion, the only good reason to side with the Templars is that it allowed you to become the Viscount of Kirkwall.  Furthermore, if you were a female Hawk and romanced a rivaled Sebastian, you got a special bit of dialogue from him stating that a marriage between the leaders of Starkhaven and Kirkwall would be the most powerful alliance the Free Marches had ever seen.  This is an awesome ending, especially if the Warden also became King/Queen of Fereldon.

 

I think a tile which mentions this should be put into the Keep.  IT's kind of a huge deal.

 

If you side with the Templars you become Viscount/Viscountess of Kirkwall. There's no need to add a separate tile for that, it's part of what choosing 'Sided with the templars' means. 

[Fardreamer]

It is needed... there's a lot of tiles that are redunant like this, but they're reiterated which shows they have impact in DA:I.  The fact that it's missing is implying that the fact you became Viscount is ignored in DA:I.  Which is a really big oversight.

[Evamitchelle]

It is needed... there's a lot of tiles that are redunant like this, but they're reiterated which shows they have impact in DA:I.  The fact that it's missing is implying that the fact you became Viscount is ignored in DA:I.  Which is a really big oversight.

 

DAI isn't out yet, so we can't know yet whether Hawke becoming Kirkwall's leader was ignored. Also, Hawke is clearly no longer Viscount/ess by 9:40, which is before Inquisition starts. 

 

And as you said there are other redundant tiles, and I believe that these should already have been deleted or merged. 

[Fardreamer]

There are a lot of decisions made by the player that are not reflected in the Keep.  The biggest ones being the companions and personal quests completed for them in Awakening.  This strongly implies that these have no mention or bearing in DA:I...

[Evamitchelle]

There are a lot of decisions made by the player that are not reflected in the Keep.  The biggest ones being the companions and personal quests completed for them in Awakening.  This strongly implies that these have no mention or bearing in DA:I...

 

But this is a totally separate issue from Hawke being Viscount/ess or no. This decision is completely dependent on who you sided with in Act 3, so there's really no need for it to have a separate tile like the Landsmeet one in Origins. 

[Kantr]

You can't say Hawke as viscount in the title and then put in the post that its spoilers for da2

 

(besides that, everyone has likely to have played da2 by now or read about it)

[katerinafm]

I think adding that tile in the Keep would be nice to remind people that it was an option, but technically like others said, if you supported the templars you became viscount automatically.

[Skyrunner_Morgan]

If you side with the Templars, Hawke becomes Viscount for a while before he/she up and vanishes all of the sudden. There is no real need for a tapestry for this choice since all you need to do is be a pro templar supporter.

[movieguyabw]

It is needed... there's a lot of tiles that are redunant like this, but they're reiterated which shows they have impact in DA:I.  The fact that it's missing is implying that the fact you became Viscount is ignored in DA:I.  Which is a really big oversight.

 

Bioware's already phased out/merged several redundant tiles.  I imagine they're going to continue to do this so that creating a worldstate runs more smoothly.

 

Adding more redundant tiles is only going to confuse things.  Besides, the narration points out that you were Viscount "for a time" if you sided with the Templars in Act 3.

[VanillaSun]

I think it's much more important to add a tile that reflects if you had a friendship/rivalry with Sebastian, just like Varric has one, Sebastian's outcome is completely different from friends to rival and he is the only companion that doesn't have a tile dedicated to his relationship with Hawke, just if "he was recruited or not" which is way too vague. Even Cullen has one and he was completely irrelevant to Hawke's arc.

[Genuine UK]

i agree with the OP this should be added at least for people who have not played DA2 how will they know hawk becomes King/Viscout if there is only the option to help the Templers ?

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

The only thing they should do, if anything, is to change the sentence we already have into "The templars counted the Champion amongst their allies when they put down the rebellious mages and with their support Champion became Kirkwall's Viscount shortly after." or something like that. No need for a tile. 

[movieguyabw]

If you've never played, how would you know that there even is an option to become the Viscount in the game?  0o  Can't imagine someone logging on to the Keep who's never played DA2 and going "I want to be the ruler...  why isn't that option here???"  lol

[DinX64]

If you sided with the templars, that automatically means Hawke became the viscount then disappeared. No need to add a redundant tile.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's mentioned very briefly in one line in the epilogue and proved to be very temporary anyway. It wasn't a huge deal in the game. Also it's already mentioned in the ISS.

[Genuine UK]

If you've never played, how would you know that there even is an option to become the Viscount in the game?  0o  Can't imagine someone logging on to the Keep who's never played DA2 and going "I want to be the ruler...  why isn't that option here???"  lol

by your logic then they would not because the tapestry does not show the full out comes of the story

[Natureguy85]

I find myself asking this a lot in all these "this should be added" threads, but why does this matter? Hawke leaves relatively soon after becoming Viscount and Inquisition takes place well after that. I suppose it could dictate the state of Kirkwall, or, as was previously suggested, be important if Sebastian brought Starkhaven into a close alliance with Kirkwall, but there is plenty of time for that to deteriorate without Hawke running the show.

[Fizzie Panda]

I don't think it will matter whether or not Hawke became Viscount, because doesn't he/she leave anyway?

[Fardreamer]

Just because Hawk vanishes doesn't mean he stops being the Viscount.  He could have left a steward in charge until he could return.

[Natureguy85]

Just because Hawk vanishes doesn't mean he stops being the Viscount.  He could have left a steward in charge until he could return.

 

Ugh, please don't grasp at straws and invent narrative. If that's the case then Hawke is Viscount in name only and the Steward is ruling.

[Tenz83]

Hawke leaves his position afterwards, it doesn't matter if he left someone else in charge because you don't decide anything relevant on that. This doesn't need a tile so get over it because Hawke being viscount is automatically chosen if you side with the Templars. Throw feedback if your so passionate about it, but I doubt anyone else would support this much.

Making a tile for Hawke being a viscount is like the Warden being involved in returning the box to friends of Red Jenny or doing the quests for the Blackstone irregulars. You can also add Hawke convincing the Rouge Tal-valsoth to help you take on the bandits on the wounded coast to this list and Hawke being on good or bad terms with Grand Cleric Elthina. It doesn't matter because she's dead. it doesn't matter.

[jimbobillyjoe]

The purpose of the Tapestery is to set choices. Becomming Viscount is not a choice - it's an outcome. The choice is picking Mages or Templars. If you pick Templars you cannot choose to NOT become Viscount just like picking Mages does not allow you to become Viscount.

 

It's no different than DA:O having a tile about whether your Warden became Warden-Commander of Ferelden or not. That's not a choice - either you sacrificed yourself to the archdemon in which case you don't get the promotion, or you live through the Blight in which case you're promoted.

 

That said, I don't see anything wrong with adding a Viscount blurb to the Templar tile.

 

I was a little surprised about Sebastian too but I strongly suspect it's because the choice will be irrelevant. Regardless of what way he was leaning at the end of Act3, the entire world going to hell can change your priorities quick sending him to Starkhaven or the Chantry depending on what the DA:I writers wanted. Varric is the only person who gets their friend/rivlarly set.. most likely because as the narrator it will set the tone/substance of his storytelling in regards to Hawke. He's also the only previous companion who gets to be a companion in DA:I

[Natureguy85]

Don't feel bad. Most of the suggestions I see don't matter either.